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The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

therhinospeaks

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I think £3m-£4m is too low, look at Liverpool selling Solanke for £17m, asking for over £10m for the likes of Camacho, Wilson and Kent, selling Ibe for £15m. Chelsea too!

A player of his potential, homegrown, now with a full season of professional senior football in this current market is easily £10m+, same for me applies to Onomah.

I would want him to try a loan in England first, maybe in the Championship, keep him in London with Fulham, QPR or Brentford maybe, see how he fares, wouldn’t want to cut losses too early on someone who is insanely gifted.

It would be great if he could get an exciting loan in England but I just can't see it happening. He really let himself down with this behaviour at Norwich.
 

spursfan77

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Would be amazing if he could turn it round at Spurs but he seems to be talking in the past tense about the club.

Can't see posh giving him a chance in the first team. He's given no attackers a chance so far.

If he doesn't go away on preseason and play some games then he'll be out the door. Its a shame, all of us wanted to see him succeed with us.
 

Blake Griffin

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steve cooper managed him at youth level for england so could be something it, that or just a case of putting two and two together. not sure eyoma is championship level just yet but could be a good move for him. i notice former academy player ruben lameiras is also being linked with them as well as a few other championship clubs, good to see him moving up the ladder if true.
 

Johnny J

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In spite of some initial false dawns, i can't disagree with this. He has the talent to go somewhere, with the right set-up and backing and step up like Sancho. That may sound a bit ludicrous but did anyone think we'd be looking at this Sancho 18months ago? I didn't but perhaps i was a little blind as to just how capable he was.

Edwards is definitely capable. He has natural skill and balance that few players can develop if he can match that with some serious drive, you're looking at a decent player. Still too early to say how good he can be but the talent is there, it's always been there. Poch for me seems like a great fit but let's see this summer if the relationship is strong enough to build on for next year.

What's the plan from here though? I personally think we may need to consider a UK loan. I doubt that's the strategy but i think he'll want to keep playing and testing him here at Championship level would give him confidence.
Poch seems to be an awful fit for our youth players generally unless they're a hard-grafting midfielder.
 

Locotoro

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It would be great if he could get an exciting loan in England but I just can't see it happening. He really let himself down with this behaviour at Norwich.

I'm not sure he'll get a loan this season if his contract is up next summer. There's a chance he'd go away on loan, do very well and walk for free in the summer so the likelihood is we'd keep him in-house and try and get an extension out of him
 

SugarRay

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Can't see posh giving him a chance in the first team. He's given no attackers a chance so far.

If he doesn't go away on preseason and play some games then he'll be out the door. Its a shame, all of us wanted to see him succeed with us.

To be fair, if Edwards fails to make the grade with us or anyone at the top level, it sounds like it’s mostly down to him.
There’s been more than once case of his attitude being cited as being the big problem. Also, in today’s game, players of his size and position have to be incredible to influence games at the highest level. How many of his stamp are playing at the very highest level? Not many
 

coys200

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steve cooper managed him at youth level for england so could be something it, that or just a case of putting two and two together. not sure eyoma is championship level just yet but could be a good move for him. i notice former academy player ruben lameiras is also being linked with them as well as a few other championship clubs, good to see him moving up the ladder if true.

No I think that makes sense. I’d imagine cooper will look to get quite a few in on loan and probably look to pick up a few bargains.
 

rabbikeane

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Edwards, must take responsibility himself yes. But if this is last chance, then get him on the summer tour and let him play some. If he's sent with the Spurs XI against donkey teams and it's down to our mediocre U23 coach to evaluate him then he's done for.
GIve him the one opportunity to actually prove himself. His extreme talent makes it worth it.
 

agrdavidsfan

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That would be a great move for TJ. Was such a talent 2 years ago so he needs some fresh impetus.

I think we may see a few of our youth go to Swansea this year ?.

They are financially in ruin, but have good relations with us & they also guarantee very good coaching in the spurs way.

We made a mistake last season when potter wanted onomah & kwp not leaving both go there.

Be interesting to see if it ends up being Eyoma, and a few others going maybe Roles who I know Swansea scouts had pointed out previously along with the older Shashoua brother.

Would also not rule out players like Ryan Brewster turning up there.
 

coys200

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I think we may see a few of our youth go to Swansea this year ?.

They are financially in ruin, but have good relations with us & they also guarantee very good coaching in the spurs way.

We made a mistake last season when potter wanted onomah & kwp not leaving both go there.

Be interesting to see if it ends up being Eyoma, and a few others going maybe Roles who I know Swansea scouts had pointed out previously along with the older Shashoua brother.

Would also not rule out players like Ryan Brewster turning up there.

I thought they could only take one player from a club ? Oh no derby had timori and Mount. There’s must be a limit maybe it’s 2 on loan.
 

SpursD22

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TOB and ex academy player Keanan Bennetts nominated for the Golden Boy 2019 award. I like TOB but how has he made the list. Shows how shit these kind of awards are nowadays
 

Lilbaz

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Edwards, must take responsibility himself yes. But if this is last chance, then get him on the summer tour and let him play some. If he's sent with the Spurs XI against donkey teams and it's down to our mediocre U23 coach to evaluate him then he's done for.
GIve him the one opportunity to actually prove himself. His extreme talent makes it worth it.

Why would he deserve a place more than say roles?
 

SpursD22

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TOB and ex academy player Keanan Bennetts nominated for the Golden Boy 2019 award. I like TOB but how has he made the list. Shows how shit these kind of awards are nowadays


Oh wow I missed Oliver Skipp. He deserves to be there
 

SugarRay

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Edwards, must take responsibility himself yes. But if this is last chance, then get him on the summer tour and let him play some. If he's sent with the Spurs XI against donkey teams and it's down to our mediocre U23 coach to evaluate him then he's done for.
GIve him the one opportunity to actually prove himself. His extreme talent makes it worth it.

How has he proved himself worthy of such a chance though?

Videos of a 9 year old Edwards looking amazing aren’t good enough imo. Even in the England youth sides he was a bit part player. Sancho/Foden and co way ahead of him.

Based on his last loan, he’s lucky to still be at the club, let alone us making concessions to include him in the first team. He needs to make it happen, nobody else.
 

Blake Griffin

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How has he proved himself worthy of such a chance though?

Videos of a 9 year old Edwards looking amazing aren’t good enough imo. Even in the England youth sides he was a bit part player. Sancho/Foden and co way ahead of him.

Based on his last loan, he’s lucky to still be at the club, let alone us making concessions to include him in the first team. He needs to make it happen, nobody else.

he's just played a full season in the eredivisie at the age of 19-20 and done reasonably well, that's more than can be said for pretty much any of our other academy players so if he's lucky to be here then what does it say about the rest? think this is a case of him being held to a higher standard again because of the hype around him from a young age which was hardly his fault, that or holding past misdemeanours against him. calling him a bit part player for england youth sides is also a bit harsh, he made the team of the tournament at the u17 euros after scoring the goals to get england into the knockout stages and then yes at the u19 euros he was mostly a sub but still made a big impact off the bench helping england to beat holland in the groups and the czechs in the semi finals, he also finished the final which england won so calling him bit part isn't very accurate in my view.
 

SugarRay

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he's just played a full season in the eredivisie at the age of 19-20 and done reasonably well, that's more than can be said for pretty much any of our other academy players so if he's lucky to be here then what does it say about the rest? think this is a case of him being held to a higher standard again because of the hype around him from a young age which was hardly his fault, that or holding past misdemeanours against him. calling him a bit part player for england youth sides is also a bit harsh, he made the team of the tournament at the u17 euros after scoring the goals to get england into the knockout stages and then yes at the u19 euros he was mostly a sub but still made a big impact off the bench helping england to beat holland in the groups and the czechs in the semi finals, he also finished the final which england won so calling him bit part isn't very accurate in my view.

It works both ways though. He’s held to higher standards because of the hype, but some want him starting games for the first team based purely on that very hype ( he certainly hasn’t done a thing in senior football to suggest he’s anywhere near our first team )

I hope he makes it, I really do, but I’m also a realist. He’s too small imo. Doesn’t have the freakish strength/speed required for such a little player at the top level.
Chuck in a potential dodgy attitude and I’d be pleasantly amazed if he makes it at our place. If failed loans at championship clubs and mediocre spells in relegated sides in Holland don’t make him realise he’s running out of chances, then it’s John Bostock territory I reckon. Shame but being a top footballer isn’t all about technique. He is at the worst club for him if appearances are based on merit! Poch doesn’t entertain divas who simply don’t perform
 

danielneeds

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TOB and ex academy player Keanan Bennetts nominated for the Golden Boy 2019 award. I like TOB but how has he made the list. Shows how shit these kind of awards are nowadays

That’s bizarre. TOB has hardly played all of last season, has he? De Ligt obviously walks off with that award with Joao Felix, Sancho and Kai Havertz closely following.
 

Blake Griffin

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It works both ways though. He’s held to higher standards because of the hype, but some want him starting games for the first team based purely on that very hype ( he certainly hasn’t done a thing in senior football to suggest he’s anywhere near our first team )

I hope he makes it, I really do, but I’m also a realist. He’s too small imo. Doesn’t have the freakish strength/speed required for such a little player at the top level.
Chuck in a potential dodgy attitude and I’d be pleasantly amazed if he makes it at our place. If failed loans at championship clubs and mediocre spells in relegated sides in Holland don’t make him realise he’s running out of chances, then it’s John Bostock territory I reckon. Shame but being a top footballer isn’t all about technique. He is at the worst club for him if appearances are based on merit! Poch doesn’t entertain divas who simply don’t perform

so if he and another youth player are doing similarly well, you're going to hold edwards' higher expectations against him and choose the other player? that doesn't seem very fair to me.

i haven't seen anyone saying he should be in the first team either, just that they'd like to see him given a chance in pre-season which doesn't seem unreasonable to me. we typically take a bunch of kids on tour in the summer and i'm sure you'd have no problem with any of the others getting a chance so why not edwards? you can play down how he did last season but it's still more than what any of the others have done bar ccv maybe. you say you hope he makes it but the tone of your posts don't read that way, it still sounds like you're holding a grudge against a kid who made a few mistakes, he's gone away for the year and got his head down but still people can't get over him previously being a bit of a mardy teenager.

giving him a few games in pre-season is pretty much a no-lose situation, if he shows he's not ready or not up to it then oh well it's not like we've lost anything but if he does show he has something to offer then everyone wins.
 
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