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Women's Football - Wage Disparity Debate

Lilbaz

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Nice attempt at twisting my words.

I said the last women's WC got 800m viewers. This is pretty popular.

Fifa funds both the men's and women's international tournaments for prize money.

As Fifa is supposed to be a non-profit entitiy its function is to fairly distribute funds. I don't believe over £300m to the men's prize money and under £30m to the women's is fair distribution.

Fifa give out prize money from the money raised. In the case of men it was 9% of the money raised from their world cup. In the case of women it was 13%.

The men get more yes because they raise more. Same as premier league players get paid more than those in the belgium or dutch leagues.

The us team that seem to be complaining are not living hand to mouth. They earn a good living. They just want more.
 

dontcallme

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Fifa give out prize money from the money raised. In the case of men it was 9% of the money raised from their world cup. In the case of women it was 13%.

The men get more yes because they raise more. Same as premier league players get paid more than those in the belgium or dutch leagues.

The us team that seem to be complaining are not living hand to mouth. They earn a good living. They just want more.

If you're happy with a world where the top 1% gets all the wealth then good for you. I think many see huge injustice in society and the distribution of wealth.
 

nailsy

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As for training. Where did the female us team have their training camp? That's right at our training ground. Arguably the best in europe.

And they won 13-0. Its almost like having great training facilities can help the team improve.

You are the one that said that the womens game is popular.
If it is as popular as you say then it should be making a lot of money. The women getting a better % of that money than the men do should be a good thing then.

Or are you saying that the womens world cup doesn't bring in enough money and you want the men to subsidise them?

Yes. I've said it before in the thread.

"And Yes, the mens game should subsidize the womens game. It's still football. It's an investment for FIFA. They invest, the players improve, more people are interested in the game, they have a more desirable product and they end up with a tournament being watched by more people, bringing in a lot more revenue."

Once again FIFAs meant to be about developing the game.

As i said their pre tournament camp was at our training ground. Or are you saying they need somewhere better?

Do you think most women's teams train at facilities like that? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here? The team training on the best facilities and who've had the best investment looks like the best team?
 

Lilbaz

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And they won 13-0. Its almost like having great training facilities can help the team improve.



Yes. I've said it before in the thread.

"And Yes, the mens game should subsidize the womens game. It's still football. It's an investment for FIFA. They invest, the players improve, more people are interested in the game, they have a more desirable product and they end up with a tournament being watched by more people, bringing in a lot more revenue."

Once again FIFAs meant to be about developing the game.



Do you think most women's teams train at facilities like that? I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here? The team training on the best facilities and who've had the best investment looks like the best team?

No and neither do mens. Roy keane left the ireland team after criticising the training camp.
 

Yid-ol

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If you're happy with a world where the top 1% gets all the wealth then good for you. I think many see huge injustice in society and the distribution of wealth.

Would this also include club sponsorship, so a team giving city say 50 million would really get split between all the other clubs also? Or say our new stadium sponsorship, we would have to find other clubs as they don't pull in as much in sponsorship?

I agree they need more funds in the game, but they can't just expect to have it pulled from the men's game (even though there is too much money in it), the men's game has developed and grown just like the women's game has, and will keep growing.
 

dontcallme

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Would this also include club sponsorship, so a team giving city say 50 million would really get split between all the other clubs also? Or say our new stadium sponsorship, we would have to find other clubs as they don't pull in as much in sponsorship?

I agree they need more funds in the game, but they can't just expect to have it pulled from the men's game (even though there is too much money in it), the men's game has developed and grown just like the women's game has, and will keep growing.

Fifa do not have separate bodies funding the men's and the women's game. So it is not a case of taking money off someone and giving it to someone else. It is a case of them using their funds and distributing it fairly.

Your first paragraph is the perfect example of people using parallels incorrectly. Fifa are a non-profit organisation whose sites states its mission statement as "FIFA’s new vision is to promote the game of football, protect its integrity and bring the game to all."

Do you think women are not a part of that? Are people from poorer countries or less popular leagues not worthy of funding?

Man City, like any club, are essentially a business, so trying to create a parallel between the two is just nonsense.
 

nailsy

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So what do people think that FIFA should do with the two point seven billion dollars of cash reserves if they don't think they should spend some of it investing in the women's game?
 

dontcallme

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So what do people think that FIFA should do with the two point seven billion dollars of cash reserves if they don't think they should spend some of it investing in the women's game?

Throw Bunga Bunga parties for the male players with the women's players working for tips. That way they will have earnt their funding.
 

nailsy

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What really takes the piss is that the FIFA council earn $10m a year. The women's world cup winners will get $4m.
 

Lilbaz

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So what do people think that FIFA should do with the two point seven billion dollars of cash reserves if they don't think they should spend some of it investing in the women's game?

It will be spent on development or 95% of it will.
The money is spent over a 4 year cycle between the world cups. So yes they have that money now but by time the next world cup comes around it will mostly be spent. Yes some should go on girls development.
 

fortworthspur

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Not even close to being the same thing.

International football is not the main payer of footballer's wages. If I was invited to a tournament in my field and I found the men's tournament got over £300m and the same federation gave the women under £30m Iwould have no problem with a change to that.
easy to say that when you will actually never have to make that decision. so just simplify it to something you can relate to. would you take a 10% pay cut to subsidize a less productive colleague?
 

dontcallme

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easy to say that when you will actually never have to make that decision. so just simplify it to something you can relate to. would you take a 10% pay cut to subsidize a less productive colleague?

As we are not talking about salary the point you are trying to make is irrelevant.
 

fortworthspur

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As we are not talking about salary the point you are trying to make is irrelevant.
is it? France got 35 million for winning last year. Dont know what the players get but lets say 1 million each. would you give away 100k or 200k so the women get more? TBH you really cant answer that because neither you or I have ever been asked to give away 200,000 euros. my hunch is I would say "no".
 

dontcallme

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is it? France got 35 million for winning last year. Dont know what the players get but lets say 1 million each. would you give away 100k or 200k so the women get more? TBH you really cant answer that because neither you or I have ever been asked to give away 200,000 euros. my hunch is I would say "no".

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Considering the wealthiest female player is worth around $3m I think it is unlikely the France players got $1m each don't you?

You are asking me to give an answer to a hypothetical situaiton that doesn't remotely mirror the discussion that is being had.

As has been said the men's WC prize money was over £300m. The women's is less than £30m. I don't see any issue with a non-profit organisation, whose mission statement is to bring the game of football to all, to make some amendments to this to make things a bit fairer as a problem.

Wages are not the issue so going down that avenue is missing the point. If on my job I was entered into a tournament and I found out the funding for the men was over 10 times the funding or the women I would have no problem with changes to that.

I accept that the men's game brings in much more money. But distributing wealth fairly is something I, and many others believe in. I don't want a system that gives all the wealth to the 1%.
 

fortworthspur

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/here...4dRF-QToVbkF58gfC_DflOp7zSf1aP97OP-zWUOFpbVzu

Considering the wealthiest female player is worth around $3m I think it is unlikely the France players got $1m each don't you?

You are asking me to give an answer to a hypothetical situaiton that doesn't remotely mirror the discussion that is being had.

As has been said the men's WC prize money was over £300m. The women's is less than £30m. I don't see any issue with a non-profit organisation, whose mission statement is to bring the game of football to all, to make some amendments to this to make things a bit fairer as a problem.

Wages are not the issue so going down that avenue is missing the point. If on my job I was entered into a tournament and I found out the funding for the men was over 10 times the funding or the women I would have no problem with changes to that.

I accept that the men's game brings in much more money. But distributing wealth fairly is something I, and many others believe in. I don't want a system that gives all the wealth to the 1%.
FIFA isnt a non-profit. its a not-for-profit.
I agree its hypothetical because you will never be asked to give up 100s of thousands of euros. Thats why I dont know how you can say you would. So just tell me how many pay-cuts you've taken to subsidize others. that isnt hypothetical.
 

dontcallme

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FIFA isnt a non-profit. its a not-for-profit.
I agree its hypothetical because you will never be asked to give up 100s of thousands of euros. Thats why I dont know how you can say you would. So just tell me how many pay-cuts you've taken to subsidize others. that isnt hypothetical.

It's extremely hypothetical and as it is not about wages it is irrelevant. I have said on numerous occasions I am happy for fairer distributionof wealth.

You don't seem to be grasping that it is clubs that pay players' wages, not FIFA. I have not asked any club to cut their players' wages in order to pay more to the women so the argument you continuously try and make is spectacularly missing the point.
 

fortworthspur

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It's extremely hypothetical and as it is not about wages it is irrelevant. I have said on numerous occasions I am happy for fairer distributionof wealth.

You don't seem to be grasping that it is clubs that pay players' wages, not FIFA. I have not asked any club to cut their players' wages in order to pay more to the women so the argument you continuously try and make is spectacularly missing the point.
so they have two jobs. one with their club and one with the national team . you are certainly asking for the national teams to use the mens earnings to subsidize the women. so how many times have you done that? given up some of your wages? Ive actually done that ands its a bottomless pit.
 

Lilbaz

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is it? France got 35 million for winning last year. Dont know what the players get but lets say 1 million each. would you give away 100k or 200k so the women get more? TBH you really cant answer that because neither you or I have ever been asked to give away 200,000 euros. my hunch is I would say "no".

Mbappe gave all his money to charity.
 

dontcallme

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so they have two jobs. one with their club and one with the national team . you are certainly asking for the national teams to use the mens earnings to subsidize the women. so how many times have you done that? given up some of your wages? Ive actually done that ands its a bottomless pit.

Honestly can'tbe bothered with you anymore. Prize money is not pure wages and trying to make out is makes for a tiresome discussion.
 
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