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I think @Bulletspur 's point may be that a player might like us and our offer, but may like a different club and their offer better. If, say Spurs offer a player £110k a week, but Barca come in with an offer of £100k, then that player may prefer Barca even if their wage offer is lower. As has been said, transfers are complex things, and even if a player has made noises that they are keen for a move to us, that doesn't preclude the possibility of them changing their minds and choosing someone else. Levy can't hold a gun to a player's head and force them to sign for us (much as we might all crave that!) :)

I have no doubt that Levy is doing all he can to bring in fresh players, ones that can help us build on the foundation we've set in place with the new facilities and the serendipity of our increased prestige around the world. But, there will always be limits to what we can and can't achieve. That makes the next couple of weeks important, but there will always be the risk of failure.
hope they have good no. 2 preferences in hand because any good businessman would. Look, we are in a good position this year because and only because we got to the CL final and we have a great manager and a great new stadium. We must utilise this position. It cannot be this good again. The stadium is only new once. Any new manager cannot have the present prestige of Poch. Will we be Premiership champions or CL finalists again in the next few years. Well not, in my opinion, without serious investment now.
Sorry I probably just overstayed my posts but............it’s not the failure in anything the Spurs try to do........it’s the hope!!!
The itk is looking good and I just hope we will deliver.
 

rez9000

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hope they have good no. 2 preferences in hand because any good businessman would. Look, we are in a good position this year because and only because we got to the CL final and we have a great manager and a great new stadium. We must utilise this position. It cannot be this good again. The stadium is only new once. Any new manager cannot have the present prestige of Poch. Will we be Premiership champions or CL finalists again in the next few years. Well not, in my opinion, without serious investment now.
Sorry I probably just overstayed my posts but............it’s not the failure in anything the Spurs try to do........it’s the hope!!!
The itk is looking good and I just hope we will deliver.
As, I'm sure, we all do. And I'm sure that the club's senior management will have a plan in place if we don't get our first choices.

I think what exercises us is that we only get glimpses into what is going on. That's why so many of us are firmly camped in the Transfer Rumours section hankering after the tiniest bit of ITK - we want as much info as we can get our grubby little mitts on. But, you know, even if we were being flooded with posts from our resident ITKs, the picture will always be fractured and incomplete - made up of bits and pieces from a variety of sources. And so, inevitably, we get speculation and theorising, and that through repetition becomes received wisdom. There are some on this forum who still think that Poch has been sending cryptic messages to Levy through media interviews, even though we've had ITK rubishing that. It's the nature of the beast.

Logic helps. My own view is that it's illogical to suppose that the head of a multi-million pound business, competing with dozens of others, is going to willfully choose not to do what is in the best interests of that business. And Levy is a shrewd and accomplished businessman. That's all that I personally need to know.

The consensus seems to be that getting our business done early is in the best interests of the club. @Trix 's ITK (I don't think I thanked you Trix - apologies) suggests that that is also the consensus within the club. That demonstrates to me that the club is doing all it can. Anyone who thinks that isn't enough isn't really playing fair, in my opinion.
 

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Does anyone realistically think either Levy or Poch have any interest on paying Bale 500k a week to come back to Spurs at 30 years old?
Does that sound like a player that fits the Poch mould, or a signing Levy might make?
No I don't think I've heard anybody say that
 

Bulletspur

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Pretty much accepted as fact that both Lo Celso and Ndombele are keen. We’re Champions League finalists, we are up there with the best.
But thats your heart talking, not your head. Spurs will mean a lot to you emotionally as fan but not necessarily to a prospective player. Willian, Mane, Pulisic were players who all were interested to come to us until they heard the sound of ching ching from our competitors!
 

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But thats your heart talking, not your head. Spurs will mean a lot to you emotionally as fan but not necessarily to a prospective player. Willian, Mane, Pulisic were players who all were interested to come to us until they heard the sound of ching ching from our competitors!

We were in a completely different place to where we are now when we were attempting to sign Willian and Mané, and I’m still not convinced we were too keen on Pulisic.

We have a manager that took an injury-plagued, already-thin squad to a Champions League final, and is now looking to push on to win the biggest trophies in football, doing this while also focussing heavily on player development (and now also seem to be offering somewhat generous wages). I’d also say we have to be easily one of the most stable clubs in Europe at the moment in terms of management (both the board and the manager) both of which are fully committed, this is very attractive to players.

There aren’t many clubs that are more attractive than us.
 

BuckeyeSpurs11

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But it’s not in our hands, is it?

What if Barcelona come in for lo celso or Man City come in for ndombele. That won’t be levy’s fault (although unrealistic people will blame him). We saw that with de Jong last summer. If and it’s a quite possible if, that were to happen again, would poch really bite his nose off to spite his face and not take the next option down the list and leave us struggling for numbers like this season?

That wouldn’t be a clever move from the manager, especially with a key player like erikssn leaving. Imagine if he went and we didn’t replace him because we couldn’t get poch’s first choice. They’d be hell to pay!

I’m glad for trix’s news and hope he has some more good news to share in due course, but we must be realistic.


And that’s why this window will be excruciating
 

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Does anyone realistically think either Levy or Poch have any interest on paying Bale 500k a week to come back to Spurs at 30 years old?
Does that sound like a player that fits the Poch mould, or a signing Levy might make?
And I’m glad we don’t
 

FibreOpticJesus

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So regardless what Levy does he will be damned if we don't get who we want, even if the player DOES NOT WANT TO come to us?

You do your due diligence before things escalate to more formal approaches. We should not be talking to any player that is not excited by the opportunity of playing for Spurs and Poch. If we are not their first choice do we want them?
 

FibreOpticJesus

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I think this is far too simplistic

My point wasn’t meant to be a full business plan but a statement of what happens in business if you want something. I was answering a point being made that a player would not want to come to us. You ask a bit more than would you like to join us!
 

sunnydelight786

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We were in a completely different place to where we are now when we were attempting to sign Willian and Mané, and I’m still not convinced we were too keen on Pulisic.

We have a manager that took an injury-plagued, already-thin squad to a Champions League final, and is now looking to push on to win the biggest trophies in football, doing this while also focussing heavily on player development (and now also seem to be offering somewhat generous wages). I’d also say we have to be easily one of the most stable clubs in Europe at the moment in terms of management (both the board and the manager) both of which are fully committed, this is very attractive to players.

There aren’t many clubs that are more attractive than us.
That's your heart ruling over your head. Ultimately we are, in the eyes of people outside of the THFC bubble, a team/club of losers just as Chiellini pointed out in March 2018. That is how we are perceived on the continent and this current team has done nothing to dispel that theory.

As already pointed out by the previous poster, it's all about the money. Offer more money than others and in most cases they will come. The reason Mane never signed for us was we didn't want to pay the fee Saints wanted and also Mane the wages, LFC were. That is the reason he went to a club with no euro football to offer over one with CL and London life. Ditto Wijnaldum the same summer. They're both CL winners now.

You get what you pay for and that rule still applies this summer. Pay the going rate and they'll come, penny pinch and you'll miss out.
 

hakano

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Sure not as easy walking into a shop and buying a paper but no disrespect to anyone here but I think some are making this more difficult than it actually is. If we want a player bad enough then you get it done - too many excuses bandied about on why we haven’t signed anyone, ala last summer. If we are trying to buy a player with a lot of constraints (self inflicted) then of course it takes a lot more time. I am totally fine that we have yet to sign a player but will be peed off if we don’t by the time players turn up for pre-season. The past makes me more sceptical about how it will turn out as I don’t believe a leopard changes their spots and we will drag all our dealings out as long as possible.

It would just be nice that the CL finalists with a great manager, the best training facilities and stadium in world football with the most expensive season tickets around that we just once or twice were able to be bold and brave in the transfer market.
 

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Does anyone realistically think either Levy or Poch have any interest on paying Bale 500k a week to come back to Spurs at 30 years old?
Does that sound like a player that fits the Poch mould, or a signing Levy might make?

Bit weird from Hertyid, he/she is almost angry.

I don't think ANY club is gonna pay 500k a week for Bale and that's why there's a standoff with him and Madrid.

From what I've read, Madrid want him out but only been willing to pay half his wages (300k per week?). According to previous ITK Bale is interested in coming here but even at 50% I'd imagine we still won't wanna pay it so Bale is saying he's staying put because he wants to either get paid what he's owed for remaining years on his contract OR he wants RM to agree to subsidise more of his wages for whichever club he wants to go to - hopefully us.

My guess is that if Spurs could get Bale on loan for 2 years with either no (or at least a minimal) loan fee at more like 200k per week then we'd likely do it. I'd be stunned if any Spurs fan wouldn't want to do that deal, even at 30 years old.
 

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We are in a kind of football purgatory, we seem to have been there for a couple of years. We have good or excellent players in every position and some others who are reliable back ups . To acquire better players should be easier now with increased revenue streams generated by the new stadium. But once we pay a new record fee and higher wages to new and existing players we take a step forward from which there is no retreat. At this point buying the right two or three elite players is critical. Levy's problem is it needs to be done now. We need to push the boat out but in the right direction. It's not going to be easy.
 

Matthew

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That's your heart ruling over your head. Ultimately we are, in the eyes of people outside of the THFC bubble, a team/club of losers just as Chiellini pointed out in March 2018. That is how we are perceived on the continent and this current team has done nothing to dispel that theory.

As already pointed out by the previous poster, it's all about the money. Offer more money than others and in most cases they will come. The reason Mane never signed for us was we didn't want to pay the fee Saints wanted and also Mane the wages, LFC were. That is the reason he went to a club with no euro football to offer over one with CL and London life. Ditto Wijnaldum the same summer. They're both CL winners now.

You get what you pay for and that rule still applies this summer. Pay the going rate and they'll come, penny pinch and you'll miss out.


this, 100%. Couldn't of said it better myself, we want to be a big club. its time to start acting like one.
 

Ron Burgundy

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We are in a kind of football purgatory, we seem to have been there for a couple of years. We have good or excellent players in every position and some others who are reliable back ups . To acquire better players should be easier now with increased revenue streams generated by the new stadium. But once we pay a new record fee and higher wages to new and existing players we take a step forward from which there is no retreat. At this point buying the right two or three elite players is critical. Levy's problem is it needs to be done now. We need to push the boat out but in the right direction. It's not going to be easy.

I see what you're saying, but I don't see us in a particularly different position to Liverpool last season. They needed to sort their defence - they went and did it.

We need to sort CM and RB. It's not like the players we're looking at would question their path to the first team.

I think a contributing issue, alongside getting players in, is that for several seasons we've kept players that (frankly) should have been sold. As a consequence of inaction, we now have more restructuring than is ideal, and some of it is akin to a chained sale/purchase on a house...and chains can break.

For me, the ITK at least suggests a degree of focus, and appetite on the part of our targets to come - both of these have been lacking in previous years. This is encouraging, but we do still need to pull the trigger
 

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Does anyone realistically think either Levy or Poch have any interest on paying Bale 500k a week to come back to Spurs at 30 years old?
Does that sound like a player that fits the Poch mould, or a signing Levy might make?

Sounds more like opinion than info to me. And as others have said, no one expects us to pay those wages. All the information we’ve had basically says that the only way this happens is if there’s a massive compromise on the financial side of things.
 

rez9000

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Bit weird from Hertyid, he/she is almost angry.

I don't think ANY club is gonna pay 500k a week for Bale and that's why there's a standoff with him and Madrid.

From what I've read, Madrid want him out but only been willing to pay half his wages (300k per week?). According to previous ITK Bale is interested in coming here but even at 50% I'd imagine we still won't wanna pay it so Bale is saying he's staying put because he wants to either get paid what he's owed for remaining years on his contract OR he wants RM to agree to subsidise more of his wages for whichever club he wants to go to - hopefully us.

My guess is that if Spurs could get Bale on loan for 2 years with either no (or at least a minimal) loan fee at more like 200k per week then we'd likely do it. I'd be stunned if any Spurs fan wouldn't want to do that deal, even at 30 years old.
You see, I don’t think that what Hertyid is saying with that comment qualifies as ITK. His comment, in this particular instance, reads more like a response to speculation. I’m not convinced that it’s categorically ruling out an approach for Bale, it reads more like he’s telling people to realise that we’re not going to pay over the odds for Bale, which we all know anyway.

We have bought older players (Llorente) we’ve also bought established stars when the deal has been has been right (VdV). It’s all about the deal. Levy is not stupid. Poch is not stupid. I believe that were Bale available to us within our wage structure, for a reasonable outlay, and is keen on coming, the only reason we wouldn’t bring him back will be footballing considerations.
 

shelfmonkey

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Bit weird from Hertyid, he/she is almost angry.

I don't think ANY club is gonna pay 500k a week for Bale and that's why there's a standoff with him and Madrid.

From what I've read, Madrid want him out but only been willing to pay half his wages (300k per week?). According to previous ITK Bale is interested in coming here but even at 50% I'd imagine we still won't wanna pay it so Bale is saying he's staying put because he wants to either get paid what he's owed for remaining years on his contract OR he wants RM to agree to subsidise more of his wages for whichever club he wants to go to - hopefully us.

My guess is that if Spurs could get Bale on loan for 2 years with either no (or at least a minimal) loan fee at more like 200k per week then we'd likely do it. I'd be stunned if any Spurs fan wouldn't want to do that deal, even at 30 years old.

It seems Bale's motivation is clear and obvious, money. It's all about the money with him now, so with that, I'm out and Levy/Poch will hopefully feel the same. Let's drop this Bale dream once and for all, we don't need him now!
 
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