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fortworthspur

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Don't remember it? I still get sleepless nights. 2 nil up at Old Trafford and cruising only for Webb to give Utd an undeserved penalty leading to a lifeline for Utd and an eventual 5-2 win.

I dont remember it. TBH most of my memories of Gomes involve chaotic scenes.
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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Nobody is saying that we lost that specific game because of Mike Mean. However, when we look back over the records of him refereeing Spurs matches, the number of losses on an aggregated basis are too many. It takes the "co" out of "coincidental", and you are left with "incidental" which means factually happening.
Whether or not it is used an excuse is irrelevant. With that kind of overwhelming plausibility, a referee's actions must be allowed to be called out. We can't be afraid of just criticism just because it might be conceived as a poorly written excuse.
Tottenham played poorly, Mike Mean was even worse. He has got something to fix generally speaking, even if that specific match result was deserved.
the thing is, citing our record in games officiated by him is utterly irrelevant, unless we’re claiming him to be the cause of said record. And common sense would suggest to anyone with half of a brain cell that this isn’t the case. So all this talk of agendas and him having something against us is just rabid paranoid bullshit. And yet it continues. Oh we shouldn’t take this lying down! We need to compile a dossier of all all the decisions in our games that he’s officiated! Actually, we shouldn’t make too much of a fuss in case the other refs decide to hate us as well! Oh Kevin Friend is a c**t too! The state of some of you....

Amid these deluded conspiracy theories, no-one seems able to provide a logical reason why a referee hell-bent on screwing us over completely passed up the open-goal of disallowing the goal we scored when he would’ve been completely within his rights to order the throw to be re-taken from the correct position, and instead chose an inconclusive (in real time) goal-kick/corner decision as his moment to teach us a lesson. In what world does that make sense to any of you?

Why can’t someone just be bad at their job, as opposed to there being this dastardly plan to fuck us over?
 

EQP

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Wouldn't surprise me if Poch told the players what Dean said. Especially if the rumors that Dean stated that our title run was over. He could use that to further galvanize the team and reinforce how well we're doing and how much more we need to give, as even refs don't want us to win or achieve greatness this season.
 

Gb160

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Jun 20, 2012
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Honestly I don't understand why Poch hasn't followed it further if he's said something unprofessional. If anything the way its gone down this will make him double down on his arrogance.
He probably has taken it further...why else would Dean be removed from tomorrow's match.
He just hasn't decided to blab off to the press about it.
 

wrd

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He probably has taken it further...why else would Dean be removed from tomorrow's match.
He just hasn't decided to blab off to the press about it.

From what I understand, if you have a charge from conflict with ref which is still open then that ref cant be involved in game.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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At least we finally have something that pretty much proves Dean said something, so was ultimately responsible for what Poch has been charged for. More fuel to fire the boys up with before each game.

I'm with @wrd , though. I wish we'd made more out of it. It just feels like Poch is being punished & Dean just walks away scott free.

Being removed from our fixture is not a punishment. He still gets to do his job, and is saved from a very angry THFC fanbase.

Another thing. If Poch has been charged, why haven't Jimenez & Perez ? They did the same thing.
 

wrd

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At least we finally have something that pretty much proves Dean said something, so was ultimately responsible for what Poch has been charged for. More fuel to fire the boys up with before each game.

I'm with @wrd , though. I wish we'd made more out of it. It just feels like Poch is being punished & Dean just walks away scott free.

Being removed from our fixture is not a punishment. He still gets to do his job, and is saved from a very angry THFC fanbase.

Another thing. If Poch has been charged, why haven't Jimenez & Perez ? They did the same thing.

Yeah and tbh, I think complaining about our record vs Dean is stupid and I think lets leave Arsenal fans to do that.

But if Dean has acted with improper conduct then his actions need to have consequences, respect works both ways and I think refs need to be held accountable for the integrity of the game.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
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the thing is, citing our record in games officiated by him is utterly irrelevant, unless we’re claiming him to be the cause of said record. And common sense would suggest to anyone with half of a brain cell that this isn’t the case. So all this talk of agendas and him having something against us is just rabid paranoid bullshit. And yet it continues. Oh we shouldn’t take this lying down! We need to compile a dossier of all all the decisions in our games that he’s officiated! Actually, we shouldn’t make too much of a fuss in case the other refs decide to hate us as well! Oh Kevin Friend is a c**t too! The state of some of you....

Amid these deluded conspiracy theories, no-one seems able to provide a logical reason why a referee hell-bent on screwing us over completely passed up the open-goal of disallowing the goal we scored when he would’ve been completely within his rights to order the throw to be re-taken from the correct position, and instead chose an inconclusive (in real time) goal-kick/corner decision as his moment to teach us a lesson. In what world does that make sense to any of you?

Why can’t someone just be bad at their job, as opposed to there being this dastardly plan to fuck us over?
I'm not buying the conspiracy stuff, but why are you so triggered by people seeing things in a different way to yourself?
Try to calm yourself down a bit instead of throwing insults....it's an Internet forum where differing opinions will be voiced.
 

Gb160

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From what I understand, if you have a charge from conflict with ref which is still open then that ref cant be involved in game.
Where are you getting that from?
 

PeeEyeEmPee

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He probably has taken it further...why else would Dean be removed from tomorrow's match.
He just hasn't decided to blab off to the press about it.
This is what I mean by delusion. He’s just been involved in a public confrontation with a manager that’s now been charged with misconduct, so there is no way, innocent or guilty, that he would be involved in any capacity whatsoever in that team’s very next game three days later.

But no, it must obviously be because there’s something sinister at play....
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
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This is what I mean by delusion. He’s just been involved in a public confrontation with a manager that’s now been charged with misconduct, so there is no way, innocent or guilty, that he would be involved in any capacity whatsoever in that team’s very next game three days later.

But no, it must obviously be because there’s something sinister at play....
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easley91

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Clearest audio I've heard of our lads and what they said in response to Dean. Had to be something really bad to get all 3 riled up. An average day of bad officiating isn't enough to cause that, not for our staff. They're usually pretty calm all things considered.
 

Darrenh61

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Wow, thanks easley91, that is really clear. I wonder why the media aren’t trying to find out what dean said? You would have thought they would love to stir it up?
 

Flynn

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No worse than mark Oliver the other week when he gave us our first free kick in the 53rd minute having already booked 3-4 of our players in a very even tempered game.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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the thing is, citing our record in games officiated by him is utterly irrelevant, unless we’re claiming him to be the cause of said record. And common sense would suggest to anyone with half of a brain cell that this isn’t the case. So all this talk of agendas and him having something against us is just rabid paranoid bullshit. And yet it continues. Oh we shouldn’t take this lying down! We need to compile a dossier of all all the decisions in our games that he’s officiated! Actually, we shouldn’t make too much of a fuss in case the other refs decide to hate us as well! Oh Kevin Friend is a c**t too! The state of some of you....

Amid these deluded conspiracy theories, no-one seems able to provide a logical reason why a referee hell-bent on screwing us over completely passed up the open-goal of disallowing the goal we scored when he would’ve been completely within his rights to order the throw to be re-taken from the correct position, and instead chose an inconclusive (in real time) goal-kick/corner decision as his moment to teach us a lesson. In what world does that make sense to any of you?

Why can’t someone just be bad at their job, as opposed to there being this dastardly plan to fuck us over?
Fully agree, anyone with half of a brain cell would think like you are suggesting. However, those of us who holds more than half a brain cell, will see that there is plausibility behind Mike Means proposed bias, given his background as an assumed Tottenham fan.

You talk about refs doing a bad job, and that's fine, most of them do. But a bad job sees bad decisions distributed proportionally. A bias leads to a disproportion in good and bad decisions.
 
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