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George94

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Villa have to find £40-45m by the end of the transfer window through wage cuts or player sales. They've sold a few and released others. They got £13m from sales and their wages will have come down a bit as terry etc... are gone. Not sure if new owners are allowed a one off investment (they are in the prem). But still think they need to sell someone.

Don't get me wrong - I'm with you on this, but on VillaTalk, they genuinley don't see this as an issue...
 

yido_number1

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Don't get me wrong - I'm with you on this, but on VillaTalk, they genuinley don't see this as an issue...
You only have to look at Bruce's comments to know he will be sold. His spurs are no where near line is basically a please pay more line. So obvious.
 
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Don't get me wrong - I'm with you on this, but on VillaTalk, they genuinley don't see this as an issue...

That's because they think a basquillionaire has bought them (again) and is going to restore them to their lofty heights (again) by investing their squillions (again) on some top class players (again) without letting their best leave (again).

Somewhere between Optimism, Naivety and Amnesia.
 

wrd

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From what I can only assume are VillaTalk's ITK from the way people on the forum react to them:

"Myself and @AvfcRigo82 say he's going nowhere, enough said chaps.

*He's really not going anywhere boys and girls."


"True and talking of money, Jack is odds of 5/2 to stay at Villa. Easy money!"


We have to get him now!
 

George94

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Have any of them said why ffp is no longer an issue?

There are a few, but this is what one of the blokes on there said about it:

"The £45 mill was a headline - it wasn't a real fine.

I think over £20 million had to be put into the club by the owners to pay off debt (exactly what FFP is stopping owners from doing!!!)

£17 million is payable to the EFL over 10 years !!! Wow, a huge £1.7 million per year (nothing in football terms.)

Basically FFP is bollox- the clubs know it, the EFL knows it and thus far it seems, as long as you throw them some cash and they 'appear' to be being tough the rules can be bent and broken."
 
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There are a few, but this is what one of the blokes on there said about it:

"The £45 mill was a headline - it wasn't a real fine.

I think over £20 million had to be put into the club by the owners to pay off debt (exactly what FFP is stopping owners from doing!!!)

£17 million is payable to the EFL over 10 years !!! Wow, a huge £1.7 million per year (nothing in football terms.)

Basically FFP is bollox- the clubs know it, the EFL knows it and thus far it seems, as long as you throw them some cash and they 'appear' to be being tough the rules can be bent and broken."

I think he's a bit confused on the issue.

As far as I know of it, it was never a £45m fine - more a £45m deficit that will result in a fine/punishment if not bridged
 

yido_number1

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George94

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I think he's a bit confused on the issue.

As far as I know of it, it was never a £45m fine - more a £45m deficit that will result in a fine/punishment if not bridged

Guess we'll know come the end of the window whether Villa really are desperate for cash to settle this FFP issue or not.
 

Lilbaz

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There are a few, but this is what one of the blokes on there said about it:

"The £45 mill was a headline - it wasn't a real fine.

It isn't a fine they need to make savings.

I think over £20 million had to be put into the club by the owners to pay off debt (exactly what FFP is stopping owners from doing!!!)


Their debt was different to the savings they need to make for ffp. You can be punished in ffp for not paying debts though, especially to other clubs.

£17 million is payable to the EFL over 10 years !!! Wow, a huge £1.7 million per year (nothing in football terms.)


Yes but they still need to make savings to be in line with ffp. Or they will face another fine/transfer embargo:points deduction or relegation.

Basically FFP is bollox- the clubs know it, the EFL knows it and thus far it seems, as long as you throw them some cash and they 'appear' to be being tough the rules can be bent and broken." just a rant.

Added my thoughts to the quote. Thanks george but he might be itk but i don't think he grasps ffp fully or is just being a fan. Their might be some way around it. The new owners might be able to ask the fa for leniency or extended time as it wasn't their mess, i don't know.
 

Stoof

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For me I just think he can't quite help himself in screwing everything out of every deal e.g if he thinks dragging a move out will save him money, he 100% will. Sometimes a bit of compromise can be beneficial. I really wanted Grealish done before the US tour, I imagine Poch did too. We're not talking an insane money deal here. Would smoothing it through have really harmed the club?

He's unquestionably a brilliant chairman, and I have no doubts he wants the best for the club and isn't in it for the money (I'm sure he could make more money in a much less stressful environment if he wanted), but I do really think he needs a sporting director to help him out on transfers to smooth some deals through. I highly doubt Poch simply nods his head and goes along with everything Levy does just because he respects him and knows his heart is in the right place.

"save him money".

Save us money. Save the club money.

"Smooth things through" = pay more money. I don't really know why that differentiates what you say from the rest if I'm honest. Ultimately you're saying pay up. £1m more is £20k a year on some-one's wages. When you're dealing with £100m, you think 1 or 2 per cent doesn't make much difference.

You know why rich people are rich? They look after every little fucking penny. We have to look after every little penny. So it's not just the case of being a million here and a million there. A million is a lot of bloody money.
 
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"save him money".

Save us money. Save the club money.

"Smooth things through" = pay more money. I don't really know why that differentiates what you say from the rest if I'm honest. Ultimately you're saying pay up. £1m more is £20k a year on some-one's wages. When you're dealing with £100m, you think 1 or 2 per cent doesn't make much difference.

You know why rich people are rich? They look after every little fucking penny. We have to look after every little penny. So it's not just the case of being a million here and a million there. A million is a lot of bloody money.

£1m is what, a thousand season tickets, give or take? The annual salaries of most of the non-playing staff.

Outside of transfer fees, it's significant to the "club".
 

freeeki

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You know why rich people are rich? They look after every little fucking penny. We have to look after every little penny. So it's not just the case of being a million here and a million there. A million is a lot of bloody money.

Rich people also speculate to accumulate.

This has served Levy rather badly in recent years, where penny pinching and royally pissing selling clubs off right up until deadline day has led to outrageous £30M Moussa Sissoko panic signings just before the window shuts.

The old prices no longer apply, and it should come as no surprise that the old tactics no longer work.

Also given that squad depth can justifiably be blamed for us exiting cup competitions earlier than we may have done given more astute transfer window activity, it’s fair to say that Levy’s propensity for foaming at the mouth over £1m - or 0.3% of our annual turnover - isn’t serving him well. If we had scraped through against Juventus, which would have been perfectly plausible with a deeper squad, that victory alone would have been worth €6.5M in prize money.

It’s really quite simple - spend the damn money now on the players we want so we don’t piss it up the wall on deadline day on players we don’t want. We’ll spend the same amount or less overall, have assets with a sell-on value, and actually stand a chance of recouping more of our transfer fees in prize money and gate receipts.

It’s time to stop whinging and penny pinching and acting as if the strategy which got us to top 4 is going to get us to the next level. It isn’t, and it never will, and pretending it will isn’t going to make it happen.
 

Lilbaz

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Rich people also speculate to accumulate.

This has served Levy rather badly in recent years, where penny pinching and royally pissing selling clubs off right up until deadline day has led to outrageous £30M Moussa Sissoko panic signings just before the window shuts.

The old prices no longer apply, and it should come as no surprise that the old tactics no longer work.

Also given that squad depth can justifiably be blamed for us exiting cup competitions earlier than we may have done given more astute transfer window activity, it’s fair to say that Levy’s propensity for foaming at the mouth over £1m - or 0.3% of our annual turnover - isn’t serving him well. If we had scraped through against Juventus, which would have been perfectly plausible with a deeper squad, that victory alone would have been worth €6.5M in prize money.

It’s really quite simple - spend the damn money now on the players we want so we don’t piss it up the wall on deadline day on players we don’t want. We’ll spend the same amount or less overall, have assets with a sell-on value, and actually stand a chance of recouping more of our transfer fees in prize money and gate receipts.

It’s time to stop whinging and penny pinching and acting as if the strategy which got us to top 4 is going to get us to the next level. It isn’t, and it never will, and pretending it will isn’t going to make it happen.

Mentioning sissoko. Why not mention eriksen? Lloris? Lamela? Vdv? Son? All signed in the last week of the transfer window.
 

freeeki

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Mentioning sissoko. Why not mention eriksen? Lloris? Lamela? Vdv? Son? All signed in the last week of the transfer window.

And only one of the above was signed in the last half a decade. That’s why.

When you look at our modus operandi in recent years, Son is very much an exception, and very much not the rule.
 

Lilbaz

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And only one of the above was signed in the last half a decade. That’s why.

When you look at our modus operandi in recent years, Son is very much an exception, and very much not the rule.

Were they panic buys though? We have bought a lot of players over the years in the last week of the tw many have been very good for us.
 

freeeki

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Were they panic buys though? We have bought a lot of players over the years in the last week of the tw many have been very good for us.

Yes we have, most of whom are listed in your post above, most of whom weren’t signed in the last five years.

In the past five years, we can realistically point to one example of a final-week surprise buy who has come good, and that’s Son.

It’s almost as if the hustle to get near and then in to the top 4 doesn’t continue working once you get there or something.
 

Lilbaz

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Yes we have, most of whom are listed in your post above, most of whom weren’t signed in the last five years.

In the past five years, we can realistically point to one example of a final-week surprise buy who has come good, and that’s Son.

It’s almost as if the hustle to get near and then in to the top 4 doesn’t continue working once you get there or something.

No it's just difficult and expensive to improve on a cl level team that we struggle with while building the stadium.
 
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