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Bournemouth Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

Hercules

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Fortunately Kane will be back soon.

Son looked peaky to me today (peaky an expression used by Mums everywhere to describe how someone looks when they are ill or potentially ill with an undefined ailment or state). Hope fully it was either that or just a one off.

I firmly believe Janssen will click sooner or later - hopefully sooner.

I genuinely believe Poch is a very smart manager who is constantly learning. He works like a trooper and I'm sure that includes going through our games with a fine tooth-comb looking to rectify errors and make improvements.

He needs to learn certain things pretty quickly. The bench was wrong, and certain players seems undroppable, regardless of how dire and poor they have been.
 

@Bobby__Lucky

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Agree.

We seem to have sorted out our defence. Even when we have to use cover in our defence for injured/suspended players, the old heads (Lloris, Alderweireld & Vertonghen) are there to calm down the nerves. With the excellent addition and form of Wanyama, I'm very comfortable with our current defence.

I think we now need to try and learn how to unlock stubborn opposing defences. Many mid and lower level teams tend to be ultra defensive when playing against us and we haven't shown how to sort this out, other than a few games here and there.

Agreed.

In addition I think we've been found out to an extent and have to evolutionise our game more. Some variation would help, having son on the left brought us alive a bit more by having a dribbler amongst our options.

Eriksen really seems to have gone backwards, although better off the ball, less creative and less integral.
 

gerishep

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9 games in, 1 point off top and undefeated, and people are bitching.............you couldn't make it up o_O:banghead:
That's all well and good, but I'm sure you know, you have completely missed the point. The manager and players will absolutely know they should have done better. Just based on the last 2 games we could and should be head of the league. These lost points will matter.
 

Cravenspurs

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http://www.football-lineups.com/lineup/521499/

http://www.football-lineups.com/lineup/522071/

Played well in both games by all accounts.

However I would like to see him in the middle in a 3 which is where I think he'll be better utilised.

Cool, thanks for that. I wouldn't prefer to see him there as I think he would slow things down even more.

We need quick passing to open teams up in the middle, not dribblers that struggle to pick a pass e.g. Sissoko for Winksy
 

StartingPrice

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We won't know any of this until the end of the season, for example a rival team could go to Bournemouth and lose. Other teams have and will drop points this season which tells you it's not an easy league so we need some perspective I think and not the kind of bed wetting we've been subjected to on here in the last week or so.

Exactly.

I actually think it is quite worrying the way certain members of this forum are just dismissing Bourmemouth - especially away.

This is a pretty decent team. What we would have called a compact team back in the day. They run almost as much as us. Eddie Howe is a smart young manager.

It would be nice to defeat them. Course it would. Maybe with Kane in the team, maybe if Son looked fitter, maybe if we hadn't played away in the CL against another energetic team, maybe I would be a bit more disappointed. But still wouldn't just assume we were going to beat Bournemouth away and get angry if we didn't.
 

Spurs' Pipe Dreams

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That's all well and good, but I'm sure you know, you have completely missed the point. The manager and players will absolutely know they should have done better. Just based on the last 2 games we could and should be head of the league. These lost points will matter.

There is no should, there is only could
 

shelfboy68

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I'm guessing you're a septic as you finished a sentence with a period and a . yes we could have beaten WBA and probably should have, we also could have lost it and didn't. Being at home is an advantage, it's your patch and you've 30-70k people willing you to win. Almost invariably your home form is better than away over a season. Liverpool lost away to Burnley with over 80% possession does this mean that they're shit, of course not. Judging how we're doing by what you think the result should've been is leaving you open to disappointment and misses the beauty of Football, in that sometimes you'll lose points you shouldn't and gain others you don't deserve.

Just because you support or follow a team does not mean they're entitled to roll over every other team every time, Liverpool and Yanited fans are like that and I like to think our fans are better than that and understand Football.

Ok mate thanks(y)
 

Bus-Conductor

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He plays so well for France

But higher up the pitch

Not really, he plays wide right for France.

He plays in the middle three with Pogba and Matuidi. He goes deep and typically picks the ball up off the CBs or around midfield. He isn't in the front three



I haven't seen the most recent performances, but in Euro 16 he was in the middle three and that is where people saw the excitement come from.

http://www.football-lineups.com/lineup/521499/

http://www.football-lineups.com/lineup/522071/

Played well in both games by all accounts.

However I would like to see him in the middle in a 3 which is where I think he'll be better utilised.


As others have said and that formation map posted by Shadyan, he generally plays more as an AM and did in the Euros, though when the two CM's are Pogba and Matuidi in a 4231 he's asked to get up and down and support the CM's more.

He really didn't have a great Euro, he was very, very ordinary, he just went on a couple of bulldozing runs that caught the eye, the rest f what he did the whole tournament was pretty much what you have seen for Spurs so far.

Deschamps made a right pigs ear of the Euro's, dropping Pgba back into CM2 with Matuidi was almost Sherwood-esque tactically, and only really managed to skank a better Germany because Low made equally tactically inept decisions.
 

shelfboy68

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Agree.

We seem to have sorted out our defence. Even when we have to use cover in our defence for injured/suspended players, the old heads (Lloris, Alderweireld & Vertonghen) are there to calm down the nerves. With the excellent addition and form of Wanyama, I'm very comfortable with our current defence.

I think we now need to try and learn how to unlock stubborn opposing defences. Many mid and lower level teams tend to be ultra defensive when playing against us and we haven't shown how to sort this out, other than a few games here and there.

Thats the problem right there if we struggle to beat mid to lower level teams that then puts pressure on us getting results against the top teams which considering we have pretty much got nothing away at chelsea, liverpool and arsenal since Noah had his ark.
There is more good top teams now than there has been for a long time probably 6/7 sides could all win the league making it more competitive, but making it more important to pick off the lower sides imo.
 

buckley

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in my opinion the main reason for Leicester;s success is that they out of the league cup and the f.a. cup in the first round of both of them also they were not in Europe thus giving them more recovery time than other teams in the top six
this is the reason that I believe Liverpool will win the league;plenty of recovery time
arsenal had a game that was probably easier than ours but could only draw
lets see how man city;man unt;southhampton perform before slating the team
I see that Leicester won but they before today have been resting there top five players in the league so as to play them in the champions league
can you imagine the outcry if poch rested our top players in the premier league so as they could play in the champions league
he has to play our top players in both competitions otherwise there would be an outcry
no; the top six teams are almost required to play there best players in all competitions exepting the league cup or the f.a. cup
 

StartingPrice

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He needs to learn certain things pretty quickly.

I'm all for giving players time - but Poch has shown, most notably with Stambouli and then Fazio, that if he makes a decision quickly that a player just isn't suited to his system, he will follow that decision to its conclusion and get rid of the player.

In Janssen's situation, I think he looks suited to the system, has generally been playing quite well and has been a tad unclucky (in a number of ways), while adjusting. But Poch did say last week, strikers need to score goals. It is why they are on the pitch. So, yeah, ultimately he does need to start producing.

The bench was wrong, and certain players seems undroppable, regardless of how dire and poor they have been.

I honestly don't know what, or who, you are talking about here - is it in relation to something I said?
 

diamondlight

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Strange game. They seemed to want to have a physical contest with us. We said, "OK then, you won't beat us in a physical contest". Then we traded blows with them, interspersed with some nice intricate football, and neither side backed down.

Having said that, the physical battle wasn't evenly matched at the two attacking ends. Our defence bossed their forward line; their defence bossed our forward line.

Kane would have made the difference.
 

Sevens

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Fair enough. Still we need to turn some of these draws into wins if we want to win anything.

Agreed, we will need to pick up excellent results (not just good or acceptable ones) to win the league. But in all honesty I still don't think we are good enough to win the league. We lack a real star quality outfield player to make that difference. But then, Leicester didn't have one last year so anything is possible if other teams under perform.....
 

shelfboy68

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Agreed, we will need to pick up excellent results (not just good or acceptable ones) to win the league. But in all honesty I still don't think we are good enough to win the league. We lack a real star quality outfield player to make that difference. But then, Leicester didn't have one last year so anything is possible if other teams under perform.....

Agree with this especially as watching some of the liverpool game they have coutihnio he makes things happen, i dont think we have anyone like that if Im honest.
 

Sevens

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Agree with this especially as watching some of the liverpool game they have coutihnio he makes things happen, i dont think we have anyone like that if Im honest.

I think Poch knows it too. I think the role that we lack in the three behind the striker is someone with more physical presence who can run at players and beat a man. I think that's why Sissoko was purchased. Whether he is good enough or not is another discussion, but that type of player is someone Poch is after.
 

shelfboy68

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Strange game. They seemed to want to have a physical contest with us. We said, "OK then, you won't beat us in a physical contest". Then we traded blows with them, interspersed with some nice intricate football, and neither side backed down.

Having said that, the physical battle wasn't evenly matched at the two attacking ends. Our defence bossed their forward line; their defence bossed our forward line.

Kane would have made the difference

In my opinion our defence is capable of winning a title but our forward line isnt and i cant see us buying anyone else in january a case of getting by until the summer.
 
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