The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - DEADLINE DAY

MUFFiN · Sep 3, 2013

Good night everyone.. Thanks to SC & the staff who run this wonderful forum during our difficult times of ITK addiction & putting up with loads of pure shite, I've lurked about for a ages & only really starting to post now & really enjoyed my time here this window I think I might just stick around now.

COYS

spurs9 · Sep 3, 2013

Bus-Conductor said:
To be fair, we needed more areas addressing than they did in the first place, but we certainly have improved all areas.

True, maybe I should have phrased it, now the window is shut, we have less area's that need addressing than Arsenal do.

Dirty Ewok · Sep 3, 2013

jambreck said:
We've got a lot right this transfer window.

But I can't for the life of me understand why we would release Benny and go into the season with only Danny Rose at left back.

Madness.

And completely out of character with the thoughtful way that we have constructed the squad in pretty much every other position this window.

Think we let Benny go is because AVB clearly in no way rated him. I don't know that BAE will ever play for Spurs again.

Clearly he is comfortable with what we have available on the roster to cover the LB slot even if we don't think its enough cover.

Zbreps · Sep 3, 2013

Tyler24durden said:
No that's your opinion, and I would argue that people like you make our fan base look terrible by being rude when you hear something you don't like.

We did very good business but we found ourselves in a position today when we have made a £6m profit & we lacked a few players, a lb especially after letting ekotto go.

Today we could & in my opinion should have pushed on and gone for it.

An injury to soldado and rose and we will find ourselves in a very poor position.

Ask yourself what happened to the £30m that we were paying for Willian? (we were already trying to buy Lamela for £30m as well)

But hey, you believe differently and I'm sure you'll just be obtuse again demanding that I see it your way and have to be labelled as an idiot because I disagree with you.

Do you know for a fact that we were trying to sign Willian and Lamela independently? Or are you basing that off of ITK? Because there is obviously a massive difference. Also, I think instead of Willian for 30, we got Erickson for what, a third of that?

I'm hardly being obtuse. and I don't think you're an idiot because you disagree with me, I think you're being incredibly ungrateful and, if I'm being honest, a little spoiled. WITH THAT SAID, we're all in the same boat here, and it's probably not my place to freak out at you just because you said something wrong on the internet.

Bus-Conductor · Sep 3, 2013

spurs9 said:
Agree, but I still feel we addressed more areas that needed addressing than Arsenal (or any other team) did.

I reckon the signing of the transfer window was not Ozil but Baldini.

To be fair, we needed more areas addressing than they did in the first place, but we certainly have improved all areas.

RuskyM · Sep 3, 2013

We needed a striker. Check.

We needed a replacement for Bale. Check.

We needed more creativity. Check.

We needed another CB. Check.

We needed competition for Lennon. Check.

We didn't NEED Capoue or Paulinho, but I'm bloody glad we have them.

We also needed a left back. Let's see if Rose is worth the hype.

Snarfalicious · Sep 3, 2013

arunspurs said:
AVB made Bale into twice a player he was a year ago.

Why can't he do the same with Rose, Eriksen & Lamela.

I trust AVB.

To me, Rose has been on the improve from the first game of the season. May be time to trust him & give him a chance.

I'm so intrigued to see how AVB utilizes Lamela and Eriksen. There were some conversations on Twitter today between Stobart and another person talking about AVB preferring not to use a traditional #10 in a 4-3-3 setup but he did prefer one in the 4-2-3-1. I found that both concerning and interesting given our blend of strength between strictly central midfielders and attacking midfielders.

Personally, I'd love to see Eriksen-Holtby-Lamela in behind Soldado. Chadli, Siggy and Townsend acting as their backups. I think the trio of Eriksen, Holtby and Lamela is so multi-faceted but first and foremost it's got creativity in folds. I'd also love to see how they could develop together as Holtby is the eldest at the geriatric age of 22. Incredible to think we could have these guys growing together for 3+ years and considering all are talented, it could form something incredible.

I'll be interested in seeing how Rose responds to knowing he's THE guy and how important it is, in terms of our season's outlook, that he performs at a high level. Sometimes knowing that can make or break a guy.

doom · Sep 3, 2013

just woke up and presume no one new signed by the sounds of the moaning on here. So what that Arsenal got Ozil, RM got rid of him for a reason. most of our top signings the clubs did not want to sell. Lamela looks to me as the most ambitious signing of the PL - a great player already at the age of 21. I must admit I was worried by signing even more players and having a prolonged bedding in period. As it is we have 4 new players who have played 3 games, Lamela has had a small run out and we just have 2 who haven't played. What a remarkable window though with 7 great players, Chadli possibly being the weakest link but there is a lot of potential in there to become a great player. So glad too that we kept Ade and Lennon but disappointed that BAE and Carroll have gone on loan.

Yid · Sep 3, 2013

carpediem991 said:
Added: Ozil is the signing of the summer in the league no doubts, but a few more injuries and Arsenal are in trouble

I am only going to elaborate on this topic once (just because I'm nauseous of hearing about it), but:

Signing of the summer in what context?
As far as I can see, Scum haven't addressed a single (I repeat - one single) need this Summer.
What they did do (instead of signing a top quality CF and/or a DM) is dump bucket loads of money on a creative attacking midfielder (when they already have an established playmaker in the EPL -->> Cazorla).
This was an extremely impulsive and irrational last-minute luxury buy, and it was done for one reason ONLY ->
-> to placate their Scum fan base, and ultimately reduce the tremendous pressure on Wenger (which he brought upon himself via his usual ambivalent and lethargic approach to the whole transfer window).

That transaction did not improve any of their weaknesses, at all.

Whereas Levy/Baldini/AVB and Co. practically revamped our whole squad by adding youth, depth, and world-class talent across the board. All for the (grossly inflated) sale price of one player, and all before the deadline.

In fact, if any club in the PL can pretend for signings of the summer, it is Tottenham imo.

Granted, time will tell who will step up to the plate (because it's early yet), but I can only see this Summer as a sign of great things to come, and glorious victories in the near future of our club. Nothing less.

COYS!

Yid · Sep 3, 2013

am_yisrael_chai said:
Way better business by us on paper than any other club. Yes Ozil is a great player but if there was one position the goons didn't need reinforcing it was creative midfield.

We didn't Coentrao but other than that I think our business was excellent. Now if AVB can get into Ade's head and bring out the guy who played at Stamford Bridge last year then we will have an awesome squad, albeit one that needs time to gel.

Bingo.
Just the point I was trying to convey a few mins ago.

RuskyM · Sep 3, 2013

Sandro said:
I am only going to elaborate on this topic once (just because I'm nauseous of hearing about it), but:

Signing of the summer in what context?

The context in which the signed the best player.

I get what you mean but there's no point pretending here, he's different class. Top 10 player.

liam17oi · Sep 3, 2013

Sandro said:
I am only going to elaborate on this topic once (just because I'm nauseous of hearing about it), but:

Signing of the summer in what context?
As far as I can see, Scum haven't addressed a single (I repeat - one single) need this Summer.
What they did do (instead of signing a top quality CF and/or a DM) is dump bucket loads of money on a creative attacking midfielder (when they already have an established playmaker in the EPL -->> Cazorla).
This was an extremely impulsive and irrational last-minute luxury buy, and it was done for one reason ONLY ->
-> to placate their Scum fan base, and ultimately reduce the tremendous pressure on Wenger (which he brought upon himself via his usual ambivalent and lethargic approach to the whole transfer window).

That transaction did not improve any of their weaknesses, at all.

Whereas Levy/Baldini/AVB and Co. practically revamped our whole squad by adding youth, depth, and world-class talent across the board. All for the (grossly inflated) sale price of one player, and all before the deadline.

In fact, if any club in the PL can pretend for signings of the summer, it is Tottenham imo.

Granted, time will tell who will step up to the plate (because it's early yet), but I can only see this Summer as a sign of great things to come, and glorious victories in the near future of our club. Nothing less.

COYS!

Couldn't agree more. He is world class, there's no doubt about that, but Arsenal have failed to address a single problem they have.

A signing purely to appease the fans - and the fans are absolutely loving it.

Makkaveli101 · Sep 3, 2013

Sandro said:
I am only going to elaborate on this topic once (just because I'm nauseous of hearing about it), but:

Signing of the summer in what context?
As far as I can see, Scum haven't addressed a single (I repeat - one single) need this Summer.
What they did do (instead of signing a top quality CF and/or a DM) is dump bucket loads of money on a creative attacking midfielder (when they already have an established playmaker in the EPL -->> Cazorla).
This was an extremely impulsive and irrational last-minute luxury buy, and it was done for one reason ONLY ->
-> to placate their Scum fan base, and ultimately reduce the tremendous pressure on Wenger (which he brought upon himself via his usual ambivalent and lethargic approach to the whole transfer window).

That transaction did not improve any of their weaknesses, at all.

Whereas Levy/Baldini/AVB and Co. practically revamped our whole squad by adding youth, depth, and world-class talent across the board. All for the (grossly inflated) sale price of one player, and all before the deadline.

In fact, if any club in the PL can pretend for signings of the summer, it is Tottenham imo.

Granted, time will tell who will step up to the plate (because it's early yet), but I can only see this Summer as a sign of great things to come, and glorious victories in the near future of our club. Nothing less.

COYS!

Excellent post man. Really good.

Yid · Sep 3, 2013

RuskyM said:
The context in which the signed the best player.

I get what you mean but there's no point pretending here, he's different class. Top 10 player.

Nobody is pretending. I didn't say Ozil is not a world-class player. What I did say (and what I am convinced of) is that Scum did not improve their squad. If there is any improvement whatsoever, it is so minimal (that it's tactically almost insignificant).

According to EPL Index via Opta-Pro and Whoscored.com, Cazorla is one of the top 3 advanced playmakers in the Prem (in terms of Chances, Assists, and Clear-Cut Chances), and Ozil is one of the top 3 in La Liga.
So, considering Ozil does as good in the EPL as he did in Spain (which is not a guarantee by any means just yet), the improvement (if there is one - in terms of numbers) will be minimal, or next to non-existent.
Only one positive to come out of this for Scum is depth in that particular position (which is again - not what they needed).
Especially when they have other players who can create chances (granted, not as good as Cazorla or Ozil, but still).

So my point remains, there are weaknesses they should have and could have addressed, but they didn't.
Instead they bought another expensive toy to placate their infantile whiny little supporters.
It's much like buying a Ferrari to replace a Lamborghini (when you really needed a tough & rugged SUV or a family-size van).
It's not the most accurate analogy, but you get my drift.

COYS

Yid · Sep 3, 2013

Makkaveli101 said:
Excellent post man. Really good.

Thanks brother.

Glad you liked it.

AUSpur · Sep 3, 2013

Sandro said:
Nobody is pretending. I didn't say Ozil is not a world-class player. What I did say (and what I am convinced of) is that Scum did not improve their squad. If there is any improvement whatsoever, it is so minimal (that it's tactically almost insignificant).

According to EPL Index via Opta-Pro and Whoscored.com, Cazorla is one of the top 3 advanced playmakers in the Prem (in terms of Chances, Assists, and Clear-Cut Chances), and Ozil is one of the top 3 in La Liga.
So, considering Ozil does as good in the EPL as he did in Spain (which is not a guarantee by any means just yet), the improvement (if there is one - in terms of numbers) will be minimal, or next to non-existent.
Only one positive to come out of this for Scum is depth in that particular position (which is again - not what they needed).
Especially when they have other players who can create chances (granted, not as good as Cazorla or Ozil, but still).

So my point remains, there are weaknesses they should have and could have addressed, but they didn't.
Instead they bought another expensive toy to placate their infantile whiny little supporters.
It's much like buying a Ferrari to replace a Lamborghini (when you really needed a tough & rugged SUV or a family-size van).
It's not the most accurate analogy, but you get my drift.

COYS

That's actually a great analogy.

CJMurray · Sep 3, 2013

Sandro said:
Nobody is pretending. I didn't say Ozil is not a world-class player. What I did say (and what I am convinced of) is that Scum did not improve their squad. If there is any improvement whatsoever, it is so minimal (that it's tactically almost insignificant).

According to EPL Index via Opta-Pro and Whoscored.com, Cazorla is one of the top 3 advanced playmakers in the Prem (in terms of Chances, Assists, and Clear-Cut Chances), and Ozil is one of the top 3 in La Liga.
So, considering Ozil does as good in the EPL as he did in Spain (which is not a guarantee by any means just yet), the improvement (if there is one - in terms of numbers) will be minimal, or next to non-existent.
Only one positive to come out of this for Scum is depth in that particular position (which is again - not what they needed).
Especially when they have other players who can create chances (granted, not as good as Cazorla or Ozil, but still).

So my point remains, there are weaknesses they should have and could have addressed, but they didn't.
Instead they bought another expensive toy to placate their infantile whiny little supporters.
It's much like buying a Ferrari to replace a Lamborghini (when you really needed a tough & rugged SUV or a family-size van).
It's not the most accurate analogy, but you get my drift.

COYS

If you think adding another world class playmaker to their midfield is going to 'minimally' improve them then you will be very mistaken.

Yid · Sep 3, 2013

CJMurray said:
If you think adding another world class playmaker to their midfield is going to 'minimally' improve them then you will be very mistaken.

Ok then, I'll stand corrected.
Nonetheless, they still didn't address any of the areas that required improvement, and that was my main point.

Creating goal chances (which again - wasn't their weakness to begin with) only takes you so far, if there is nobody to put away those goals.

I'm outta here.
TTFN

GlennHuddlestone · Sep 3, 2013

RuskyM said:
We needed a striker. Check.

We needed a replacement for Bale. Check.

We needed more creativity. Check.

We needed another CB. Check.

We needed competition for Lennon. Check.

We didn't NEED Capoue or Paulinho, but I'm bloody glad we have them.

We also needed a left back. Let's see if Rose is worth the hype.

This. Plus we have culled the weaker members of the squad, brought back a promising loan players (Townsend), we may actually get to see players play in their favoured positions (Siggurdson) and Sandro and Kaboul are back in the squad. Be happy. We've addressed our weak points, not many other clubs have (Scum, Yanited included)

scissor_gang · Sep 3, 2013

All in all an amazing window! But can someone save me reading the past 170 pages and let me know who the mythical £40 million man was?

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