The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Sell You Light Edition 7th August 2013

Breezer said:

Just a quick update. We was meant to have a match today vs Enfield Town behind closed doors. It's been moved to tomorrow.

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A Spurs XI Beat Cambridge City 5-0 tonite.

Breezer said:

Just a quick update. We was meant to have a match today vs Enfield Town behind closed doors. It's been moved to tomorrow.

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was going to ask about that but thought it was the wrong place, will you give a update tomorrow

jonnyp said:

Well, I clearly disagree with you. I always keep hearing some of fans moaning when Chelsea and Arsenal have bad days against poor teams but still manage to scrap a win. Usually it's because one of their creative players have found the key to unlock the defence. It's not luck or coincidence.

We were a possession side under Harry. According to some stats I read we had 4% less possession last season than under Harry's last season and made 3000 less passes. And that's what I could see with my eyes all last season too, we looked like a great counter-attacking team, not good at possession but I didn't expect that either after the sale of Modric and VdV, who were integral to play that way.

If AVB wants to have more possession, he needs technical, creative players to keep the ball moving intelligently.

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If we were to line up with a front 6 like this next season, where would you say we could improve technically, given our budget?

jonnyp said:

Through balls isn't going to help the problem we had in most our home games last season when the entire opposing team sits in their own half for 90 mins.

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Yes it will if we can play quick passes out to the flanks and get an early run on the opposition goal before their defence gets organised. The longer we take moving the ball forward the more organised the defence, the harder to break down

GutBucket said:

He moves quickly with it. Just as good.

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Not necessarily, a ball can run quicker than a player

Breezer said:

Just a quick update. We was meant to have a match today vs Enfield Town behind closed doors. It's been moved to tomorrow.

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any reason why?

jonnyp said:

I disagree mate. Neither Sigurdsson or Dembele are creative enough, and in the case of Sigurdsson I don't think he's good enough to be more than a squad player at best. Holtby just seems too slow, I just don't understand why people are raving about this guy. I'll hold up my hands if he proves me wrong, and I hope he does, but he's shown nothing bar a fantastic touch in his debut (I think it was) that led to a goal. All three of them were here last season (Holtby only since Jan), when we looked completely devoid of creativity and out of ideas in nearly every home match.

Eriksen I've never understood the hype around, has been bog ordinary every time I've seen him for both Ajax and the Danish NT.

Chadli I've liked the few times I've seen Twente, but he didn't stand out as particularly creative in the same sense of say Mata or Silva. That's what we need, not averagely creative players.

Sorry for sounding so negative, but I'm pissed this wasn't addressed last summer, in Jan and now it seems to be skipped again.

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I understand what you're saying, compared to Mata and Silva our supposed "creative" players pale in comparison but that also raises the argument concerning the team around these players. At Man City Silva has pacy, world class forwards to feed (Aguero, Dzeko, Negredo etc) these forwards will always be looking to make killer runs and know what to expect from these creative players, players like Aguero will know that Silva is capable of slipping a ball through the legs of two defenders and knows that Silva is already expecting him to make a run! Like Silva, Mata is surrounded by similar minded players like Hazard and Oscar who know what runs to make and to expect from each other!

At Spurs, when we played 4-2-3-1 and say the front four being mainly (Sig, Bale, Lennon, Ade) its fairly easy to see why we never saw similar creative passes. Firstly, Sig was stuck out on the left so his influence was limited when he was shoved into the corner by a FB, Lennon's game also relies on receiving the ball on the right, Lennon likes to beat the FB rather than receive the ball behind the FB (and so never made the runs creative players look for!). Bale was always hunting the ball (similar to Holtby) and was usually dropping as far back as the half-way line to receive that, and even then when he had it he was always looking for goal himself. Ade was never in the box anyway! He always wandered out wide, limiting his influence, he moved to retain possession rather than force a creative move. Holtby was a new arrival shoved into a new team, no one knew what he was capable of and vice-versa i.e no one expected Holtby to drop deep in order to receive the ball and then launch the attack with a 30 yard through ball, also players like Bale and Defoe never expected he was hoping/ expecting them to make the run he was looking for!

Maybe now in AVB's 4-3-3 where he knows the definite role of every member of the squad, he should be drilling them telling the midfielders what type of service these forwards will expect and telling the forwards what type of runs they'll be expected to make. Now we may see a more tactically creative style of play, where players like Holtby and Sig and Dembele can show their creative and passing ability feeding the forwards with pre-planned moves worked on in training.

PS I hope this goes someway as to explaining why I have faith in players like Holtby and Sig and even Dembele to be creative enough for now!

Barry Mead said:

Not necessarily, a ball can run quicker than a player

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And get easier intercepted. Dembele rarely loses the ball when he dribbles and also fouls on him give us free kicks (shame we are shit at set pieces). Only downside is players who dribble a lot get fouled a lot and it increases a chance of injury.

Plus, we placed a bid on Bernard before, it's not like we weren't linked with any creative players.

EnfieldYiddo said:

we aren't run by a sugar daddy.

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You are if you're a cross eyed bleached blonde with big tits, twelve piercings 'down there', a bullseye tattooed at the top of your bumcrack and have several rather dodgy albanian porn movies on your CV.

Jamturk said:

Why?

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Maybe a delay for a new player to get some action ?

block 33 said:

Maybe a delay for a new player to get some action ?

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ooh!

Good thinking Batman

danielneeds said:

If we were to line up with a front 6 like this next season, where would you say we could improve technically, given our budget?

Sandro Dembele​

Paulinho​

Bale Soldado Chadli​

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Lets see how good this chadli fella is first. We heard all this last year about siggy being the new vdv and I had the same reservations then. I know it's hard to judge and I hope he turns out to be fuckin brilliant.....bit he looked rather average against Monaco. And so did siggy insistently. Again hope wrong

danielneeds said:

If we were to line up with a front 6 like this next season, where would you say we could improve technically, given our budget?

Sandro Dembele​

Paulinho​

Bale Soldado Chadli​

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Could point. If the back up front group ends up being:
Holtby, Sigi, Carroll,
Lennon, Ade, Townsend

And we sell: Hudd, Parker, JD, falque, Livermore
Along with the already sold, released: Dempsey, Bentley

We should have the wage space to bring in 1-2 more and still remain true to avb's idea of a smaller squad.

Under the above scenario, and recent ITK, we could see either CE coming in from Ajax or Bernard.

Dominate => Kapow => Capoue?

First. Cryptic. Solved.



No...? Oh

Er.....good point

danielneeds said:

If we were to line up with a front 6 like this next season, where would you say we could improve technically, given our budget

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Everyone has been so quick to drop Lennon

Fucking formations?

hugrr said:

Fucking formations?

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Doggy, missionary, cowgirl... oh I get it.

trigger84 said:

1st post but is it not an anagram of Otamendi from Porto?

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Just got back from jogging .. Logged on here and saw this post.


i couldnt stop laughing. What an amazing 1st post haha.

EPIC!!

Berbatonghen said:

Just got back from jogging .. Logged on here and saw this post.


i couldnt stop laughing. What an amazing 1st post haha.

EPIC!!

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I'll tell you something else that's epic. The outrageous good fortune you lot have had that i've not been about when the last two cryptics were decided upon.

That's a streak that will break at some point. I can wait...........