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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Aquarius Edition 22nd July 2013

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THFCSPURS19

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He said that was along the right line
He did not say Coentrao was our target.

Not in that one he didn't but I looked further and earlier he did in reply to someone's question about the truth in rumours for us going in for the RM left back say "yes"
I thought it was slightly interesting.;)
 

WiganSpur

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Maybe because other teams aren't offering him enough reasons to move? (money, the "project", regular football, challenging for honours)

Fulham would be the perfect club for him. They are London based, have Jol as manager, have new owners and a bit of ambition. It'd certainly be better for him there than not even making the bench at Spurs.
 

Barry Mead

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You're missing the point. What a player can do for the team, and what he can continue to do for this or another team defines his value to this team and any other team.
Talk of resale value is in any event redundant, because of Daniel Levy's hard-nosed attitude to sales, which is apparent to all, but conveniently ignored when describing his attitude to purchases. This "going for a quick profit" myth has been promulgated for well over a decade now, and is wearing rather thin. His predilection for younger talented players is aimed at a progressive improvement of the squad for a number of years, not the quick fix of marquee signings.
We have to deal in the art of the possible. We have in my view done this consistently in the last seven or eight years. Splashing big money on CL players might seem the nirvana we are all seeking, but unless we have a multi-billionaire owner who can ignore basic economics for his plaything, we will never be able to offer enough money to a potential top player to compensate for the lack of CL football. We have to do it the hard way. We are unlikely to get the Higuains or Rooneys because they are setting their sights higher than us. If we have more money available for new players, it will be because of the Sky money increase, not because Joe Lewis is loaning us money ("putting his hand in his pocket"), and we should all be grateful for that for the sake of the continued prosperity of the club. We have to spend our money wisely, on those players likely to turn into the Higuains, Rooneys, Messis and Bales of the next year or two, like we did with the players I mentioned. Yes, we can all point out the purchases which failed, though I'd suggest that some that you mentioned were part of the progress of the club at the time, and were replaced by better, and often younger players. Furthermore I'd suggest that a great many of the purchases you refer to are those of some years ago, and highlight the progress the club has made, by its progressive approach.
The downside though is for those who want it and want it now. That's not the way life works.


No I think you are missing the point, after moving up from around the mid table area to the coat tails of top four we have pretty much trod water for 7 years on fifth, sure Harry got us to one CL and was cruelly denied a second, but the reality is that to get regular CL much less make a serious challenge for the title or indeed winning the CL you need a balanced team with realk quality and a depth of quality in the squad. In the past years our weaknesses in certain key areas and in the depth of quality and those failings have meant we have missed out. Now at times you can buy young players of real potential and with resale potential to enable us to afford more new replacements if they leave, but the fact of the matter is those quality players that ideally you wish to keep to give a fair crack at regular CL football and to seriously challenge have moved on and still we have failed to fill the team with a balance and quality necessary. You then reach a critical stage where you need to decide if you continue to tread water or go for it and if you decide you want to go for it then sometimes you have to fill the key gaps with players that can deliver now rather than maybe 2 years time when maybe one or two other existing key players have left. It's not a matter of simply signing potential that can prove good in a year or two years and ultimately sell for big profits but to get one or two players that you can have far greater belief that they can affect things now. Obviously every new signing is a gamble but when you go for players that have proven their quality over a number of seasons then the odds are stacked better in your favour than a player who has done it once or maybe not really done it at all but looks to have the potential too

The benefits can outweigh the costs too, if we had bought Soldato last season or Negredo for say £25 mill and this season earned £35 mill from CL then not only would we have made a tidy profit but also have a fully paid striker for the following three years. As it is we still have to pay for a striker now and have no CL revenue

There are other factors and I imagine things like raising funding, sponsorship, naming rights etc are possibly in the mind of the board right now, far easier to raise funds when you have one of the top names in football playing for you and far better still if you are seen to be competing against the best teams in the world.

At the end of the day the success of a football club is measured by it's trophy cabinet not it's balance sheet, for sure it's an important part but you can't get hung up on focussing on players that might make a long term profit and lose sight of players that can give you shorter term success
 

Barry Mead

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well mirror are reporting we want lisandro lopez

Yeah and a very good and versatile player who will be cheap now because of his age and being in his final year of contract, but can fit any attacking role in a front three, so he'll give us decent depth
 

Barry Mead

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But they don't have a manager so I don't think anything with transfers and barca is true.

Just like a few days ago, barca said publicly that Fabregas wasn't for sale whilst announcing the Tito stuff. Yet the british press were using the fact someone having cancer to say the chances of Fabregas coming back are high despite it not being true in any sense.

http://www.marca.com/2013/07/22/en/football/barcelona/1374513189.html

Gerardo 'Tata' Martino is the new FC Barcelona manager. The Argentinean manager has signed a three-season deal to run the 'Azulgrana' outfit.
The former Newell's Old Boys manager will come to the Catalan club accompanied by two of his regular aides, Elvio Paolorroso and Jorge Pautasso.
The South American manager will take over at Barça after Tito Vilanova was forced to step down because he could not combine the treatment which he is undergoing in his fight against cancer with the workload.
There had been some last-minute speculation that Barcelona might appoint Dutch coach Guus Hiddink, who resigned from his post at Russian club Anzhi this afternoon.
 

rawhide

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At the end of the day the success of a football club is measured by it's trophy cabinet not it's balance sheet, for sure it's an important part but you can't get hung up on focussing on players that might make a long term profit and lose sight of players that can give you shorter term success
But Levy runs a business, which measures its success by profit, ability to generate profit and value of the business. His gambles have tended to be low risk, rather than speculate to accumulate.
 

arunspurs

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he Goat said:
Some obvious news guys. Silent and night can have even zones.
Comes to me from a brand new source so buckets of salt should be applied.
The first letter of each word spells S O N G S A N C H E Z

We assume it's Alex (Song) and Alexis (Sanchez), of Barca.


Brand is english translation for Marca.

So, someone in Marca is source for goat ???
 

Ghost Hardware

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I really would love one of our regular ITKs to come in and shed a little more light on the Alexis news. It seems it would be ether Bernard or Alexis but one seems be heading to the goons and the other... Is he really available... Could we really get him. He was linked with pool a while back and was apparently up for sale but still, I don't buy it... But maybe Baldini will head over to Barcerlona from Velencia.
 
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