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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Weekend Edition 8/9th June 2013

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mw828

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The cabinessence bit means sweet f all to me. If it is accurate, it just shows what Levy is thinking which isn't necessarily accurate. In fact, given history, I think there is plenty of evidence that it is not. He obviously has some level of confidence every window or else he would have done things differently. It hasn't really panned out as he/we would have hoped in most windows lately.

This all plays back into this "learned from mistakes" pish which should not be believed.

Not trying to be mega-negative though. Last window was actually quite good on the whole. Moutinho/LD were big letdowns because they were the biggest needs. What we got (Lloris/Verts/Dembele) were all good signings though and players that are good enough for the level we want to be at.
 

Bill_Oddie

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Hell yeah! TC doesn't have anything like the experience that AVB has at coaching/management level. You mean to say that Levy has employed someone to take charge of the first team who he can't trust more than someone who has very little coaching experience? Why bother employing him if he has to run everything past Sherwood? I'm not surprised AVB wants a DOF in his corner.

AVB has no management experience. It isn't what he has ever done or currently does. I like the fact our Head Coach doesn't get bogged down in budgets, organisational issues and discussing the tea roster.

Sherwood isn't responsible for coaching. So it's irrelevant how much coaching experience Sherwood has.

Turn your point on its head - Why bother employing AVB if he can't put in place a technical vision of the football played and tournaments participated in by the Under-16s? Obviously, that's not what he's employed or qualified to do.

The two have separate jobs. They do different things. Sherwood has been at the club longer, and has a wider remit. But rest assured, I doubt AVB has to "run everything past Sherwood". They would work together on a lot of things, but AVB wouldn't answer to Sherwood directly in the sense you are thinking.

You might want to view THFC as purely an operation that revolves around the first team but Levy doesn't. Hence why I reckon he sees Sherwood as his more senior man. JJetset's comment that Sherwood is Levy's "right-hand man" seems to confirm that.
 

Knarf44

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There's no guarantee Baldini will accept the terms he's offered either. Maybe he'll feel that the Club is looking for a scapegoat when we don't get the players in we're after or maybe he'll think that we're not being ambitious enough with our targets. He also may have other offers on the table he wants to consider.

If he's going to sign on let's hope it's sooner rather than later.
 

nickspurs

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As a chairman you also want continuity. Managers/coaches inevitably leave so you want a football man to be there in any transition period. Sherwood seems to be that man. Perhaps the DoF will become that in time.
 

edgey

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There's no guarantee Baldini will accept the terms he's offered either. Maybe he'll feel that the Club is looking for a scapegoat when we don't get the players in we're after or maybe he'll think that we're not being ambitious enough with our targets. He also may have other offers on the table he wants to consider.

If he's going to sign on let's hope it's sooner rather than later.

THIS! We definately need him in early so we can really start to get the ball rolling this window and get some early signings ready for pre-season
 

Tspurs

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@edgey. Looking at your sig again and again just reminds me that Levy (and us, of course) is uber fortunate to have a tremendous player in Bale. For that, hopefully, Levy also understands that this time he shouldn't f#ck around and get the players we need to become winners; as along as we don't haggle the deals to the death...
 

Mullers

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AVB has no management experience. It isn't what he has ever done or currently does. I like the fact our Head Coach doesn't get bogged down in budgets, organisational issues and discussing the tea roster.

Sherwood isn't responsible for coaching. So it's irrelevant how much coaching experience Sherwood has.

Turn your point on its head - Why bother employing AVB if he can't put in place a technical vision of the football played and tournaments participated in by the Under-16s? Obviously, that's not what he's employed or qualified to do.

The two have separate jobs. They do different things. Sherwood has been at the club longer, and has a wider remit. But rest assured, I doubt AVB has to "run everything past Sherwood". They would work together on a lot of things, but AVB wouldn't answer to Sherwood directly in the sense you are thinking.

You might want to view THFC as purely an operation that revolves around the first team but Levy doesn't. Hence why I reckon he sees Sherwood as his more senior man. JJetset's comment that Sherwood is Levy's "right-hand man" seems to confirm that.

I'm not saying don't employ Sherwood but he shouldn't have any say at all in what players AVB wants to buy or be involved in first team affairs what so ever. You say AVB isn't qualified to do Sherwood's job I would say he is more qualified than Sherwood who was just a football pundit before Redknapp took him under his wing.
The first team is the most important thing, if we do badly on the pitch then financially we suffer as well.
 

Roynie

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cabinessence/ftl
Bumped into my Rock Solid
connection yesterday. Apparently DL confident of getting everyone in that we're after. He added "everyone we're capable of getting in" meaning within our reach and budget. No names I'm afraid so queue the flack about it being useless info and who is this rock solid connection anyway etc etc. LOL Just telling those that might be interested, that's all. Was talking about biz most of the time and if he's had names he would have told me, so obviously DL didn't divulge.

That looks good and it says a two things to me. Firstly they don't want names leaked out as regards their targets and don't want Chelscum, Le Arse or Lolpool trying to beat us to the signing. Secondly they don't want to leak a budget so that the clubs they want to buy the pl;ayers from don't try to up the price accordingly.

Maybe DL HAS learnt from last summer! Glad there's no optimistic rating now!

*Waits as A&C re-instates it and hits me with 20!*
 

Spursidol

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Not doubting ITK in Baldini/Sherwood meeting, just seems strange that Levy would not attend such a meeting. This is a massive step for the club, and with he greatest respect to Sherwood, I'd imagine Baldini's reputation and name in football demands more than a chat with our development coach?

I doubt if Sherwood is in any way interviewing Baldini - that bit has been done by Levy directly.

Sometimes proposed incoming executives chat to their 'peer group' before joininmg and whilst Baldini knows AVB, he doesn't know Sherwood hence the meeting

or more likely

Baldini is talking to Sherwood (having agreed terms with Levy) to get information, probably about our younger players with whom Baldini isn't familiar (he will know a lot about most of the first team squad). In other words he's started the job by finding out what our strengths and weaknesses are in the youth so that he can suggest appropriate targets for both first team and to develop.
 

Spursidol

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I'm not saying don't employ Sherwood but he shouldn't have any say at all in what players AVB wants to buy or be involved in first team affairs what so ever. You say AVB isn't qualified to do Sherwood's job I would say he is more qualified than Sherwood who was just a football pundit before Redknapp took him under his wing.
The first team is the most important thing, if we do badly on the pitch then financially we suffer as well.

According to your argument, Spurs should not be employing a DoF whose role is to suggest players that Spurs should buy.

As Bill_Oddie has explained AVB's role is Head Coach, a role which does not put him in charge of transfers. Baldini is being brought in to a position (details yet to be announced) which will include a role in transfers.

Sherwood's role once Baldini arrives may change back to being Technical co-ordinator, but we will see how things pan out.
 

Mullers

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According to your argument, Spurs should not be employing a DoF whose role is to suggest players that Spurs should buy.

As Bill_Oddie has explained AVB's role is Head Coach, a role which does not put him in charge of transfers. Baldini is being brought in to a position (details yet to be announced) which will include a role in transfers.

Sherwood's role once Baldini arrives may change back to being Technical co-ordinator, but we will see how things pan out.

How did you work that out? Sherwood isn't a DOF, AVB has said from day one he wants a DOF and it's very likely since we haven't employed DOF that AVB has been doing some of the managerial duties.
 

Parmigiano

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As a chairman you also want continuity. Managers/coaches inevitably leave so you want a football man to be there in any transition period. Sherwood seems to be that man. Perhaps the DoF will become that in time.


THAT above all else was the purpose of the DoF in the first place...and it was either Arnesen or Comolli, if not both. who have actually stated that when in that particular seat of residence
 

mill

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THAT above all else was the purpose of the DoF in the first place...and it was either Arnesen or Comolli, if not both. who have actually stated that when in that particular seat of residence
The DOF would say that though to protect their own position. People say coaches come and go but the DOF is constant, never really got that myself as the DOF's surely as capable of failiure as the coach and if the DOF's wrong then the coaches will constantly change as they're being failed from above
 

Gedson100

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How did you work that out? Sherwood isn't a DOF, AVB has said from day one he wants a DOF and it's very likely since we haven't employed DOF that AVB has been doing some of the managerial duties.

This makes no sense and is just pure supposition.
I've seen Villas Boas coaching our team, what on earth are these managerial duties?
 

Bus-Conductor

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you don't think it would've helped then bus?

to dare is to do too dear

What if that one big signing doesn't make a difference ? One more ?

I don't think he meant to imply an entire philosophy by that comment B-C. It's hard to deny that money spent on a striker or two wouldn't have made a difference over the last few windows.

We bought the striker with the third best goal/assist combo in Europe. Should we have spent 50m on Torres or 35m on Andy Carroll (or even the 20+ million that Redknapp wanted to spend on him) ? West Ham were one game away from relegation with Tevez in their side.
 

Spursidol

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How did you work that out? Sherwood isn't a DOF, AVB has said from day one he wants a DOF and it's very likely since we haven't employed DOF that AVB has been doing some of the managerial duties.

You said : 'he shouldn't have any say at all in what players AVB wants to buy'

AVB's role is NOT to buy players.

Its a DoF/Transfer Committee/Levy (with advisors) role, no doubt AVB's suggestioins are taken into account but AVB does not decide who will be bought by himself.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Ah ... The Levy-Apologists School of Football Philosophy: you are always one big signing away from insolvency. Or ambition and success!

Dear John

Please accept my humble apology on behalf of our chairman who has clearly no ambition, as is evidenced by the shit we have watched and the decline in player quality that has occurred since he began his tenure at the helm of our club in comparison to the quality player his predecessors delivered in the years preceding.

Please also accept my grovelling apology on his behalf for the lack of ambition showed by investing 40m in the best training facility in the country and investing in a development policy and staff that has seen us produce outstanding young footballers at an academy that is the envy of teams like Arsenal now.

And please allow a snivelling apology on Mr Levy's behalf for having the lack of ambition to build a spanking 60k stadium so that we can try compete with the best in europe whilst complying with fair play regulations.

Yours apologetically on behalf of the chairman
BC
 
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