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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE POST MORTEM 1st February

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beats1

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I'd take 10 mill + for Caulker, he's good in the air but look clumsy up against anyone with any guile or pace. Don't see him ever being anything more than a squad player unfortunately.
Last season he was easily swansea's best defender and didnt look clumsy at all though he did play a higher line last year, had a run in the team and was played as a RCB
 

WiganSpur

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Maybe we're looking for another left CB like Verts? Martins Indi is a good prospect I believe for a left footed CB. Can also play left back like Verts apparently. So potentially LCB Vertonghen (Martins Indi) RCB Kaboul (Caulker).
 

beats1

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I highly doubt that but I would have considered selling for that, yes. My point was the suggestion of us actively looking to shift him is absurd.
Really, you would sell a 20 year old defender for £20million after he made a 100 league appearances and had a years experience as a premiership defender in which he was that teams best defender. Bear in mind Jones is the same age heralded as a great CB in the future yet has hardly had much playing time there and he had a worst second premiership season than Caulker has.

Remember a CB we tried to sign last season from Bolton was not deemed not good enough at a similar age who now has won a CL, FA cup and EL medal.
 

WiganSpur

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Really, you would sell a 19 year old defender for £20million after he made a 100 league appearances and had a years experience as a premiership defender in which he was that teams best defender. Bear in mind Jones is the same age heralded as a great CB in the future yet has hardly had much playing time there and he had a worst second premiership season than Caulker has.

Remember a CB we tried to sign last season from Bolton was not deemed not good enough at a similar age who now has won a CL, FA cup and EL medal.
Caulker is 21 btw. £20m is a good offer for me to be fair but I do not believe they would offer that at all. I'd say at the moment he's worth £10-15m but I would be unwilling to sell for anything less than £20m personally because he looks like a great prospect to me.
 

beats1

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I can categorically state that as of yesterday LFC are not interested in Caulker.

They have a list of about 5/6 targets their after right now but Caulker isn't on that list unless something has drastically changed in the last couple of days. Its the whole ex-Rodger's player thing again, which, in a lot of ways, is a fair enough argument, but not this time.

Hope that helps.
Er Rodgers is a big Caulker fan he has said last season he will be a future England International. It has nothing to do he is a ex-Rodgers player if he isnt trying to sign him its more down to the fact that he doesnt think he can get him than the fact he is not interested!
 

beats1

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£20m is a good offer for me to be fair but I do not believe they would offer that at all. I'd say at the moment he's worth £10-15m but I would be unwilling to sell for anything less than £20m personally because he looks like a great prospect to me.
I disagree when the like of Milner, Jones and Lescott command nearly over £20million, 10-15 would be criminal. I would rather have Caulker over most of the likes of Lescott, Jones as a CB(I like him as a rb mind you) and etc.
 

Gedson100

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Maybe we're looking for another left CB like Verts? Martins Indi is a good prospect I believe for a left footed CB. Can also play left back like Verts apparently. So potentially LCB Vertonghen (Martins Indi) RCB Kaboul (Caulker).
Speculation / wishlisting.

;)
 

Sum Monsterism

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I think anyone saying they wouldn't let Caulker go for £20m is a nutcase.

There are positively no guarantees that the guy will improve. He probably will, it may appear very likely. But guarantees?

Cold hard cash talks.
 

Antilokhos

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No. His 'ITK' record is abysmal.
I would be slightly more generous. I think he seems to aggregate the Liverpool ITK more than anything. And just like if you went to a Liverpool forum and summarized what was discussed here, most of it would end up not coming off.
 

Misfit

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The thing with Caulker, apart from the fact that he looks one of the most promising young CBs in the entire country, is that he's not only home-grown but club-trained. It would need to be a very big offer for the club to consider it. Like the value the club sees him at plus 50% or something.

It doesn't appear that anyone at the club is even considering moving him on anyway so that renders things rather moot for the time being. If the player himself decides he wants out, and under what circs, then the parameters shift but let's worry about that if/when it happens.
 

Gedson100

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I think Caulker stays; he's most likely on low wages, he's got potential & he qualifies as a homegrown player.
It's a bit harsh that everyone is holding him up to King in comparison too, y'know, probably the club's best ever defender...
When Villas Boas sits down with Levy and talks budgets he'll be looking at Dawson's wages straight away.
Credit Villas Boas, I don't think he particularly wanted a few of our players but once it became clear they were staying, he utilised them. That said, a budget is a budget and Dawson and Parker are eating a fair sized chunk of it.
 

Syn_13

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As I said earlier, I reckon the club would definitely let go of Caulker for £15m. That's the kind of money that'd get you a first team player. With that money you could replace him with a more experienced defender, a few years older, that could have just as high potential - Vertonghen is a good example. However, he's definitely a great prospect for the future and I wouldn't like to see him go anytime soon.

My criticism of him is not his technical or physical ability, but his mental ability. He still needs to learn positioning, how to read the game and how to deal with his marker. He's a solid tackler and excellent in the air, very strong and not that slow either. However, the things he needs to learn are all improved by game time, which he isn't getting with us as a 4th choice.

We really should be looking to loan him out next year if we're only going to be using him as 4th choice. The season he had with Swansea raised his level by a lot, another Premiership loan to a good club could see him step it up to the point where he could challenge for a spot when he gets back.
 

Drexl

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I don't want to see him leave but everyone has their price and if we get offered a ridiculous sum of money for him then we should consider it.
 

beats1

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As I said earlier, I reckon the club would definitely let go of Caulker for £15m. That's the kind of money that'd get you a first team player. With that money you could replace him with a more experienced defender, a few years older, that could have just as high potential - Vertonghen is a good example. However, he's definitely a great prospect for the future and I wouldn't like to see him go anytime soon.

My criticism of him is not his technical or physical ability, but his mental ability. He still needs to learn positioning, how to read the game and how to deal with his marker. He's a solid tackler and excellent in the air, very strong and not that slow either. However, the things he needs to learn are all improved by game time, which he isn't getting with us as a 4th choice.

We really should be looking to loan him out next year if we're only going to be using him as 4th choice. The season he had with Swansea raised his level by a lot, another Premiership loan to a good club could see him step it up to the point where he could challenge for a spot when he gets back.
Maybe his lack of positioning is more down to the fact that he has been chopped and changed and never had a run in the team and that the fact he has been playing LCB because of Dawson and Gallas. I say this because his positioning for Bristol and Swansea was brilliant unlike that nutter Ashley William's.
 

Syn_13

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Maybe his lack of positioning is more down to the fact that he has been chopped and changed and never had a run in the team and that the fact he has been playing LCB because of Dawson and Gallas. I say this because his position for Bristol and Swansea was brilliant unlike that nutter Ashley William's.

To be fair, I haven't seen him play much for Bristol and Swansea. Did he prefer the right side of the back 2 then? I've only ever seen him play on the right for us when paired with Vertonghen, and it didn't go well for either.
 

Krafty

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I'm on the side of those who rate Caulker, he needs to improve his concentration a little and he also has more pace than he is currently aware (his running style is a little lax but can be improved) but there is a very good player there.

I think this is a case of the grass always being greener, players are great until they put on our shirt and we see them day in day out, then we see their weaknesses and errors and say they can't/won't make it. No wonder we struggle to bring youth players through.
 
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