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World Cup Discussion Thread - Day 20 (3 July)

Yid-ol

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Jan 16, 2006
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He was quite outspoken but the most funny thing is that a petition have been signed by 200.000 people that want the game to be replayed because England was rewarded a penalty for ”a non-existing foul”. The foul on Kane is one of this tournaments clearest fouls, how can they argue with that decision?

Did Liverpool start it by any chance?!

Will be so hard for them to take when Kane wins the golden boot at the world cup after he just missed out to Salah in the PL top goal scorer.
 

johnbowel

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I agree with this.

Unfortunately I think a lot of refs may be a bit scared to dismiss a player under these circumstances. Imagine having the fear of an entire country hating you and worse sending you death threats because you were only applying the laws of the game. In lots of South American countries players always cross the line in terms of hounding the ref and are barely punished for it. I've watched countless Brazilian Championship games where the behaviour of the players was an absolute disgrace (just short of physically attacking a ref) yet the ref would be very reluctant to do anything about it, next thing the police are on the pitch creating a shield around the officials as the players seem to have no consciousness of where that line is.

FIFA needs to have a dramatic change and tell these country's FA's that they need to seriously clamp down on this domestically because it will be enforced internationally and that they'd be only harming themselves in competitions.

Yes, we can’t base the way we run things on bullies and animals though. I’ve seen physical attacks on refs in South American football. I know exactly what you mean and agree completely that it’s a huge problem. I think a way to deal with it, in a world that had any fleeting connection to justice or fairness, would be quite simply to ban any nation that has these kind of serious incidents from competing in international tournaments. I know it sounds extreme, but that’s only because our tolerance for it is so extreme, due to financial concerns completely dictating every decision made in sport. English clubs were banned from European club competition for however many years due to crowd violence, and probably being a symbolic figurehead for that.

If we did the above, we’d turn the national villains into the people threatening players, refs etc and the power of the herd would be turned against those among them. I think certain cultures would have a very difficult period of self examination though. But then, we came through it, in the UK, and the result was the premiership.
 

johnbowel

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Seemed pretty straightforward to me.

South American football is simply different than European football - its more emotional, if you will.

That’s alright then. I should have started knocking my Brazilian ex around then explained ‘I’m different - more emotional, if you will.’

It’s my culture. Anyone who objects is racist. u_u
 

SlotBadger

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watched the penalties again today. Harry Kanes penalty i so good especially as it was his 4th penalty in the tournament. How the hell can he be so calm? He is a true football genius.
I'm not afraid to admit I've re-watched Kane's penalty and the entire shootout on the live ITV broadcast and Match of the Day highlights roughly 5 times each.
 

rossdapep

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If they're arguing over a decision, they should get booked.
The problem with that though is that we are dealing with multi-languages. A French emotional plea could be regarded as whinging or complaining or an English "For f***'s sake" could be misinterpreted by a Latin ref because he heard the 'bad' word and nothing else. It would be incredibly harsh to book a player because of what they were misinterpreted as saying.

Or are you saying that if it's clearly done in an aggressive manner? Because then I think a yellow would be perfectly justifiable in that case.

We have to remember that players can react in shock and disbelief even if they did indeed commit a foul, if a player immediately goes to the ref, in a none aggressive way, and pleads his innocence, does he warrant a yellow card immediately? There's so much on the line that I think it's fair and perfectly normal for players to react strongly to these things. But there is a line.

I do think the minute players start surrounding the ref and jumping around getting in his face he needs to offer a stern warning and as soon as the next player continues with the protests he is booked. I think the book starts with FIFA, who in turn relay this message of zero-tolerance to the countries Federations, who in turn should be reminding players of conduct before every game.

Unfortunately, FIFA don't appear to be overtly concerned with this, and then you have federations that are littered with corruption and odd characters who actually think these behaviours are perfectly acceptable - Maradona as WC Ambassador being one of them.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
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Clatts shows that you can ref at the highest levels, but it doesn't mean you'll be good on TV. It's no different than players and managers. It's only a small group that has both the expertise and the ability to communicate it well to non-experts.
What the fuck is this?
 

Bulletspur

The Reasonable Advocate
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Oct 17, 2006
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Agree with this so much. We need to change the power dynamic and remind footballers that they are not in charge of matches, or rather, stop that from being the case. Seeing refs actually applying rules with VAR and holding in the box was so alien when it should be the norm. When players like Mina etc are screaming in the refs face, immediate yellow. Do it once more, just once, red. That’s it. Would love to see Neymar’s face the next time he starts calling the ref a puto or whatever. We need to see way way more yellows and reds for a very brief period before we see them take a sudden nosedive.
You can include Maguire and Young as well, also from the same match. Dont make out that England is so innocent in this. They are just as culpable.
 
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