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It should've/could've been Iran going on to the knock out stages
How? They would have needed a win and they were lucky to even draw with that pen decision.
It should've/could've been Iran going on to the knock out stages
There will always be problems with it. The NFL still haven't ironed them all out and they've been trying one system or another since the mid 80's. GER/SWE Boateng non-penalty. The Iran penalty today. Too many problems. It's going to add just as many mistakes as it fixes.
Just on the pitch? What about the replay official in the booth in the GER/SWE match and the obvious Boateng penalty? He didn't even call for the referee to review that. Ridiculous.I think shit ref on the pitch mostly. A review doesn't mean that he has to give it and that penalty Iran got certainly wasn't one. Add that Iran were denied a pen much earlier and all VAR calls in the match took ages.
It only takes one awful ref to bring the system down
It doesn’t have to be deliberate Shearer you twonk
The ball was heading toward goal and the arm stopped it. Interpretation is that it stopped a goal scoring opportunity
then interpretation needs to be stamped out;
OK, maybe stamped out was a bit strong. But they can be more closely aligned than they are currently.This is literally impossible. Every sport that has fouls/penalties means the referee has to make an interpretation.
Feel sorry for the ref. He was told to look at these bull**** incidents under huge pressure given the VAR team had already wasted 4mins and all the players were going bananas.
Why doesn't rugby suffer these issues? Why doesn't tennis? Or cricket?
The whole VAR thing is rooted in the biggest problem the game has when it comes to officiating: the idea that the person of the ref is to be treated as some form of God-like figure. It's part of the same culture that prevents managers from criticising them without punishment.
Don't get me wrong, the referee should be respected. But if they are the embodiment of the rules of the game, then interpretation needs to be stamped out; if the rules of the game are black and white, there can't be grey areas when it comes to the application. There has to be a concerted effort to make sure that there is consistency in how referees apply the rules. Like with Ronaldo's yellow. The review was whether it was a red card or not. Either it's a red or nothing. You can't have a halfway-house application of the rules.
There has to be a moratorium on criticism of referees. I stress that I'm not advocating that players and coaches should be allowed to pressurise them during a match - in fact, I think that any encroachment on the ref should be penalised.
But VAR is becoming mired in precisely the same situation as referees are in: that between 10 different VA referees, you're likely to get 10 different interpretations of incidents.
Why doesn't rugby suffer these issues? Why doesn't tennis? Or cricket?
We need to stop treating referees as the voice of God and managers and players should be allowed to criticise referees after matches and call attention to bad calls so as to put pressure on refereeing authorities to start sorting the problem out.
Anyway, probably the wrong forum for that kind of discussion. Hey ho! Onto Groups C & D.
I agree. I think VAR can be very good for the game, but I think it's being mishandled.This is pretty much what's been happening for the last few decades that I have been watching football. Personally I'm sick of listening to managers bitch and whine about refs, but never own up to the monumental mistakes they make, or the hundreds of stupid things their players do almost every week. If they did, moaning about refs might be more palatable.
And this is why we need VAR. Because we expect referees to not be human and make inevitable mistakes. They also do make the rules, and design rules that can be interpreted. We need VAR to take some of the pressure off them, take as much of the single, split second, human interpretation, out of the equation. Also removing accusations of bias.
I agree. I think VAR can be very good for the game, but I think it's being mishandled.
You're right of course, refs make mistakes, they're only human. But then the VARs are also human, so will also make mistakes. That's why my view is that the weak link isn't that we have humans officiating, in whatever form that takes, but that there is a weak link somewhere else: perhaps a fundamental lack of co-ordination, or too much freedom given to referees to interpret rules as they see fit that it causes bad calls and now the same problems are happening with VAR which is making the situation worse.
That's separate from the behaviour of managers and players when it comes to decisions. I disagree with censoring managers from expressing their opinions about referees. However, I also believe that on the pitch, the referee should be respected and that making the VAR sign antics we've been seeing throughout this World Cup should be clamped down on very firmly.