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Charles Big Potatoes
Mar 10, 2005
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so to get his confidence he gets dropped, how is that going to help, shirley thats going to do more damage.


I hear what you're saying, but where does it end? At what point do we take a step back and review his position? It just seems like Groundhog day.

When Bent/Defoe/Hudd/Zokora/Lennon etc are dropped due to poor form, no-one worries about the effect it will have on their confidence. Because it is for the greater good of the team. If anything it should ignite a hunger inside them to prove themself once more. Robbo doesn't strike me as a shrinking violet, so I doubt it would crush him as some would believe.
 

beals

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What he really needs - and has needed for 18 months - is a mentor. I'm actually less worried by Robbo's 'clangers'TM than the rumours that he first told Big Pat to fuck off and now shows disrespect to someone like Pete Shilton, by not accepting their offer of support.

Never heard that, well if he could command his area anything like big Pat then he would be twice the keeper he is now. I take it Pat has retired from being our goalkeeping coach, the last I heard he did a few days part-time, but this is what Robbo needs a mentor to teach him how to come and collect a ball, obviously Hans isn't doing much off a job at it.
 

Leachie

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Feb 11, 2005
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I think what people seem to forget is that Robbo is only 27 (28 maybe?) which is still very young for a goalkeeper. In outfield terms he is a youngster. Keepers only tend to truly excel from about 30 onwards. Seaman was only an England regular from 30 years old or so.

So this means that Robbo is in fact an excellent goalie and anybody who has been a Spurs fan for more than 2 minutes knows that Robbo has the ability but right now does not have the form.

I think Jol should put his arm around him and tell him that Spurs will say he has a broken metatarsel and he can do some "back to basics" stuff for 6 weeks and come back stronger. Always reaffirming that he is the number 1.

Trust me. I'm a keeper.
 

johnmc

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This is a very tricky situation for Spurs, and not least Robbo Himself. He has been in poor form for a while now, with just odd glimpses of what he is capable of. Does the manager show some loyalty and faith and stick with him, and hope through hard work he finds some form. Or does he drop him and put in his understudy. The problem is the understudy has been just that, (the understudy,) for a good long while and has not shown that he can replace Robbo as first choice. Jol has seen them both and must know that Cerny although decent is not of the required standard for a sustained run in the first team. In saying this Robbo cannot go on for ever making so many mistakes, and he has been making errors we can all see that. There is really not much Jol can do until January and the transfer window. We can then hopefully find someone at least capable enough to push for the keepers jersey. So Robbo probably has until then to come good. I for one really hope he does it.:oops:
 

sammax71

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The shot was across him, and he made a decent save but pushed the ball straight out.

BUT Judas & Lescott were about 2 feet apart, stood watching, and allowed the Russian guy to get between them for thr rebound.

IMO all 3 are as to blame as each other.

Rooney should also shoulder some criticism. Absolutely no need to foul his man (although it didn't even look like a foul to me, can see why the ref might have given it).

Overall it was a Spurs performance. Played quite well for 65 mins, went 1 up, started getting indecisive / fancy dan, screwed up and gifted 2 goals.

I've not been one of Robbo's biggest fans for some time but I was surprised when people seemed to be lumping the blame on him for yesterday's second goal.

I saw it exactly as described above especially if you watch it again take note of Campbells reaction. He just stood there and watched the shot and then just looked on after Robbo had parried it. Absolutely no movement from him at all. I'm not saying that Robbo couldn't have done a bit better with the save but I certainly don't think he's solely to blame.

Unfortunately in his position it's all to easy to lump the blame on him. Especially with his form at club level. I'm surprised nobody has slated him for not saving the penalty or maybe it was his fault that Rooney pulled the guy down outside the box which resulted in the penalty.

I think if Robbo gets dropped from the England goalie position that it may actually help Spurs and Robbo himself. Hopefully it will make him hungrier and more determined to better himself and get the shirt back.
 

Kendall

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Feb 8, 2007
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I've stuck by Robbo for a while now, but this season he has been awful, he needs to be replaced before he costs us more points. That goes for Chimbonda too, the guy is always stoned.
 

Dangerous_Clive

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Mar 21, 2006
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Personally I thought Gerrard was well out of order yesterday saying 'Paul will be disappointed with the 2nd goal' or whatever it was. Totally deflecting the attention from himself missing an open goal to make the game safe about 5 minutes earlier.

Its so easy to slag off the goalkeeper and forget about the 10 players in front of him.
 

teddyboy

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Mar 13, 2007
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I've stuck by Robbo for a while now, but this season he has been awful, he needs to be replaced before he costs us more points. That goes for Chimbonda too, the guy is always stoned.


:rofl:
 

yiddotilidie

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Mar 23, 2005
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He still gets lots of support, but the fans have lost some confidence in Robbo. Any set piece, corner or cross and most spurs fans look away. He needs to improve his game, its as simple as that.

Its a natural reaction to sing a players name more when things are going well for them - at the moment tho, things are not going well for Robbo.
 

GilzeansGrandad

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Apr 12, 2005
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I just hope Robbo doesn't read this forum. Some of the bullshit criticism that gets posted turns my stomach, and would do his confidence no good at all.
 

yiddotilidie

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I've stuck by Robbo for a while now, but this season he has been awful, he needs to be replaced before he costs us more points. That goes for Chimbonda too, the guy is always stoned.


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why oh why are we offering him a new contract now? surely we wait for him to pick his form up. he has been shocking this year.
 

rez9000

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i still dont believe that dropping him or hiding him or anything will help though, that will just give him more tome to dwell on mistakes, footballs play on confidence, his is obviously low and the only way for that to improve is by playing and playing well, a clean sheet against newcastle will be a decent start.

You're thinking of him as an outfield player. An outfield player is constantly working whilst on the pitch, so they have more opportunities to analyse their own game and see where they are having problems. This allows them to regain their confidence. Also, a mistake by an outfield player can be rectified or mitigated by a teammate. And a single mistake has a lesser impact on the game because of an outfield player's greater involvement in a game.

In contrast, goalies are only occasionally involved during a match, whenever the ball threatens the goal. As a result, they have less 'game' to analyse. Furthermore, if a goalie makes a mistake, that mistake has a greater impact on the game and is less easily rectified or mitigated by a teammate.

And even if all the above is untrue, let's look at it logically. Robbo's performance at the moment is based on confidence (as every goalkeeper's is). If his confidence is not allowing him to play well, how is he supposed to play well enough to recapture that confidence?

A goalie is a completely different type of football player, and they can't be treated in the same manner as outfield players.

I've backed Robbo all along the line. When I've been in the Park Lane, I've sung his name. On SC, I've backed him and defended him against the morons who think that when a player plays badly it automatically makes him shit. However, it's in that spirit of defence that I think he needs time away from football and a period of benching. His mistakes won't disappear until he gets his confidence back and he won't get his confidence back while he's making mistakes. It's a vicious circle and the only way to stop the cycle is to break it.
 

teddyboy

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You're thinking of him as an outfield player. An outfield player is constantly working whilst on the pitch, so they have more opportunities to analyse their own game and see where they are having problems. This allows them to regain their confidence. Also, a mistake by an outfield player can be rectified or mitigated by a teammate. And a single mistake has a lesser impact on the game because of an outfield player's greater involvement in a game.

In contrast, goalies are only occasionally involved during a match, whenever the ball threatens the goal. As a result, they have less 'game' to analyse. Furthermore, if a goalie makes a mistake, that mistake has a greater impact on the game and is less easily rectified or mitigated by a teammate.

And even if all the above is untrue, let's look at it logically. Robbo's performance at the moment is based on confidence (as every goalkeeper's is). If his confidence is not allowing him to play well, how is he supposed to play well enough to recapture that confidence?

A goalie is a completely different type of football player, and they can't be treated in the same manner as outfield players.

I've backed Robbo all along the line. When I've been in the Park Lane, I've sung his name. On SC, I've backed him and defended him against the morons who think that when a player plays badly it automatically makes him shit. However, it's in that spirit of defence that I think he needs time away from football and a period of benching. His mistakes won't disappear until he gets his confidence back and he won't get his confidence back while he's making mistakes. It's a vicious circle and the only way to stop the cycle is to break it.

Unless your names is Stead Malbranque of course (a la goal line clearance).

:grin:
 

Teemu

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Jan 12, 2006
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I fail to see how keeping him in the team is going to do anything for Robbo's confidence. He's been steadily declining since he joined the club and after a brilliant first season and a decent second he's now having an absolute mare. Keeping him in the team and letting him make more errors will do nothing for him, and even if eventually he does recover some form then it could be at the cost of lots of unnecessary dropped points. Are people really suggesting that we keep Robbo in the team for the sake of our season?

Obviously you can't drop a player after one bad game but since the beginning of the season he's been a liability and that shows no signs of abating. Admittedly he isn't helped by the defence but seriously, I can't think of a single save he's made this season which you wouldn't expect an average Premiership keeper to make, and on top of that he's let in several which you would expect them to make!
 

chewie

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Jul 9, 2007
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ok. lets look at it from the perspective of Robbo as an employee.

If you felt like the world was against ya (the media) - wouldnt you want to hold your hand up and say, drop me for the good of the team i need a break. it doesnt help him or the team to be in the side the way he's playing at the moment.

he's been dodgy since coming back from the last world cup.
 

Stoof

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I fail to see how keeping him in the team is going to do anything for Robbo's confidence. He's been steadily declining since he joined the club and after a brilliant first season and a decent second he's now having an absolute mare. Keeping him in the team and letting him make more errors will do nothing for him, and even if eventually he does recover some form then it could be at the cost of lots of unnecessary dropped points. Are people really suggesting that we keep Robbo in the team for the sake of our season?

Obviously you can't drop a player after one bad game but since the beginning of the season he's been a liability and that shows no signs of abating. Admittedly he isn't helped by the defence but seriously, I can't think of a single save he's made this season which you wouldn't expect an average Premiserhip keeper to make, and on top of that he's let in several which you would expect them to make!

I'll go back one game. Low down to his left hand side against Liverpool.

Class.
 
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