Ionman34
SC Supporter
- Jun 1, 2011
- 7,182
- 16,793
Problem with Sutton is his mouth runs faster than his brain.
What the pundits & media are saying about us
- Thread starter eddiev14
- Start date
- Feb 1, 2005
- 55,590
- 205,110
- Admin
- #2,362
I wonder what his SC username is then?
Ionman34
SC Supporter
- Jun 1, 2011
- 7,182
- 16,793
Username”s”..?I wonder what his SC username is then?
shelfmonkey
Weird is different, different is interesting.
- Mar 21, 2007
- 6,690
- 8,040
'O Zio
Well-Known Member
- Dec 27, 2014
- 7,405
- 13,785
Just argues for the sake of arguing as well. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy a healthy debate, but he doesn't even do that, he just focuses in on something that's not even the main point in the conversation and then won't drop it and just shouts over everyone until the host cuts their losses and moves the topic on to something else. Typical Sutton punditry goes something like:
Jenas: Spurs are looking really competitive this year
Sutton: Competitive? How can they be competitive when they haven't won anything?
Jenas: Not yet but they're looking like they could start seriously challenging in the near future
Sutton: Well maybe they'll be competitive in the future then but you can't say they're competitive now
Jenas: I think you can becau---
Sutton: What have they won?
Jenas: Like I say they're---
Sutton: What have they won?
Jenas: They're on the verge of---
Sutton: Go on, tell me one thing Spurs have won under Pochettino, go on tell me?
Jenas: Well they---
Sutton: Honestly, tell me, what have they won?
Jenas: Noth--
Sutton: Exactly. You can't name one thing they've won cos they haven't won
Jenas: Yeah but---
Sutton: Go on then, tell me what they've one
Jenas: We've already been---
Sutton: You can't can you Jermain, and I'll tell you why, it's because they haven't won anythi---
Humphries: Anyway thanks chaps, a spirited debate as usual. After the break, we'll look at all the goals from today's other games.
ajspurs
Well-Known Member
- Jul 7, 2007
- 23,160
- 31,459
Just watched the debate and they had Matthew Syed, Matthew Upson and Liam Rosenior on there and they didn't talk about us so much, well a bit about Kane and how they liked that he really wants that goal awarded to his name but they were just a breath of fresh air to listen to to be honest. Much better than listening to a lot of others on Sky.
ajspurs
Well-Known Member
- Jul 7, 2007
- 23,160
- 31,459
Yeah god knows how, seems a very random combination!
spursfan77
Well-Known Member
- Aug 13, 2005
- 46,680
- 104,957
I caught 5 minutes of it and what really struck me was that Rosenior was really good. Talked about the game better than the majority of pundits out there. One to watch if he gets the chance I think.
tototoner
Staying Alert
- Mar 21, 2004
- 29,401
- 34,106
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43853515
'Tottenham will be accused of choking until they prove otherwise'
By Phil McNulty
Chief football writer
To lose one FA Cup semi-final can be unfortunate - to lose eight in succession shows a pattern is emerging.
And as far as Tottenham Hotspur are concerned, the pattern is not a pretty one after the latest bout of last-four pain in Saturday's 2-1 loss to Manchester United at Wembley.
Spurs have spent this season raising hopes that the suffering may be about to end and did so in a blistering opening here that brought the deserved reward of Dele Alli's 11th-minute goal.
In the final reckoning, however, it was a familiar story and yet another campaign will end for Spurs and manager Mauricio Pochettino - in his fourth full season - without the tangible reward of a trophy.
So where does this latest setback leave Spurs and their Argentine manager?
Are Tottenham serial chokers?
This is the question that goes to the heart of Tottenham's current position - and one that offers powerful arguments for and against.
As the seats around Wembley emptied and the Spurs fans who stayed and those who left accepted what is becoming increasingly familiar and inevitable, the list of failures was once again receiving a forensic examination.
From Arsenal at Wembley in 1993 through to this loss at the same rebuilt arena 25 years later, the FA Cup semi-final has brought nothing but the same bitter taste of defeat for Spurs.
It is the longest losing streak at this stage in the competition's history, a record they would be happy to break in half.
Different managers. Different teams. The same outcome every time and the same questions about when this spell without a trophy, stretching back to the League Cup win over Chelsea in 2008, will ever end.
Spurs' last eight FA Cup semi-finals
21 April 2018 - L 1-2 v Man Utd
22 April 2017- L 2-4 v Chelsea
15 April 2012 - L 1-5 v Chelsea
11 April 2010 - L 0-2 v Portsmouth (AET)
8 April 2001 - L 1-2 v Arsenal
11 April 1999 - L 0-2 v Newcastle (AET)
9 April 1995 - L 1-4 v Everton
4 April 1993 - L 0-1 v Arsenal
Spurs arrived at Wembley boasting the same impressive form and pedigree - plus most of the players - as they did before last season's FA Cup semi-final against Chelsea.
And yet once again they found themselves outmanoeuvred and outlasted by opponents who just seemed that bit more battle-hardened, who looked to have been around the block a few more times.
It was almost as if the years of loss were like ghosts revisiting the minds of Spurs players and fans once Alexis Sanchez rose to equalise against the run of play after 24 minutes.
Spurs were never quite the same again and there was an air of desperation about most of what they did trying to claw their way back into the game after Ander Herrera put United in front just after the hour.
The problem is Spurs do keep doing this and for all the obvious progression under Pochettino, the doubts laid against them will not go away until they change.
"We let ourselves down," Alli said. "It's very disappointing. We have to try and pick ourselves up and finish the season strongly. You can't go 1-0 up then 2-1 down against
a team like Manchester United. We can't put ourselves in that situation.
"Everyone talks. We want to win trophies. We have the staff that wants to win. We can't keep doing this. We can't throw it away, We have got to improve."
A problem beyond the FA Cup
The body of evidence also includes recent title challenges in pursuit of Leicester City and Chelsea that came up short and the three-minute switch off that cost them two goals and a position of control in the Champions League last-16 tie against Juventus at Wembley.
Spurs may rail against the charge that they choke when it matters - that they falter when the finishing line comes into sight - but they are prey for those accusations until they prove otherwise.
And yet, this is a Spurs side that is clearly progressing under Pochettino, a team capable of competing with the best the Premier League has to offer.
Manchester United and Liverpool have been well beaten in the Premier League at Wembley, while Chelsea were overpowered at Stamford Bridge recently. Title-winners Manchester City could not be overcome but Spurs are hardly alone there.
Where does this leave Pochettino?
Pochettino has just completed his fourth season at Spurs without a trophy - even his heavily-derided and soon to be departed north London counterpart Arsene Wenger claimed two FA Cups in that time.
It is the sort of fallow period that might have had some Spurs managers glancing nervously over their shoulders in the direction of demanding chairman Daniel Levy.
And yet, despite the Argentine's continued search for silverware, there is no question whatsoever about his future - nor should there be.
The clear moves in the right direction under the 46-year-old means he is the man charged with taking Spurs to their new stadium and finally ending that barren spell.
Pochettino's Premier League record is one of consistent improvement from fifth to third and then runners-up last season. Spurs are currently on course to qualify for the Champions League again as they stand in fourth place, five points ahead of Chelsea.
Spurs fans and players idolise the man who has brought the intense, entertaining attacking style of football that he insists upon, first to White Hart Lane and then this season at Wembley.
Pochettino, for good measure, is also one of the game's most coveted coaches. Spurs and Levy know they are on to a good thing.
If - in a hypothetical situation - Pochettino came on the market, he would be a candidate for every major post in Europe should they become available. Chelsea, Paris St-Germain and Real Madrid would all have him on any list of candidates.
What he must do now is burnish his outstanding reputation with a trophy - and Spurs will do everything to ensure he does that with them.
Spurs and Mauricio Pochettino are not far away from ending the drought - but the final stretch of the journey to success is proving the toughest and most painful to navigate.
'Tottenham will be accused of choking until they prove otherwise'
By Phil McNulty
Chief football writer
To lose one FA Cup semi-final can be unfortunate - to lose eight in succession shows a pattern is emerging.
And as far as Tottenham Hotspur are concerned, the pattern is not a pretty one after the latest bout of last-four pain in Saturday's 2-1 loss to Manchester United at Wembley.
Spurs have spent this season raising hopes that the suffering may be about to end and did so in a blistering opening here that brought the deserved reward of Dele Alli's 11th-minute goal.
In the final reckoning, however, it was a familiar story and yet another campaign will end for Spurs and manager Mauricio Pochettino - in his fourth full season - without the tangible reward of a trophy.
So where does this latest setback leave Spurs and their Argentine manager?
Are Tottenham serial chokers?
This is the question that goes to the heart of Tottenham's current position - and one that offers powerful arguments for and against.
As the seats around Wembley emptied and the Spurs fans who stayed and those who left accepted what is becoming increasingly familiar and inevitable, the list of failures was once again receiving a forensic examination.
From Arsenal at Wembley in 1993 through to this loss at the same rebuilt arena 25 years later, the FA Cup semi-final has brought nothing but the same bitter taste of defeat for Spurs.
It is the longest losing streak at this stage in the competition's history, a record they would be happy to break in half.
Different managers. Different teams. The same outcome every time and the same questions about when this spell without a trophy, stretching back to the League Cup win over Chelsea in 2008, will ever end.
Spurs' last eight FA Cup semi-finals
21 April 2018 - L 1-2 v Man Utd
22 April 2017- L 2-4 v Chelsea
15 April 2012 - L 1-5 v Chelsea
11 April 2010 - L 0-2 v Portsmouth (AET)
8 April 2001 - L 1-2 v Arsenal
11 April 1999 - L 0-2 v Newcastle (AET)
9 April 1995 - L 1-4 v Everton
4 April 1993 - L 0-1 v Arsenal
Spurs arrived at Wembley boasting the same impressive form and pedigree - plus most of the players - as they did before last season's FA Cup semi-final against Chelsea.
And yet once again they found themselves outmanoeuvred and outlasted by opponents who just seemed that bit more battle-hardened, who looked to have been around the block a few more times.
It was almost as if the years of loss were like ghosts revisiting the minds of Spurs players and fans once Alexis Sanchez rose to equalise against the run of play after 24 minutes.
Spurs were never quite the same again and there was an air of desperation about most of what they did trying to claw their way back into the game after Ander Herrera put United in front just after the hour.
The problem is Spurs do keep doing this and for all the obvious progression under Pochettino, the doubts laid against them will not go away until they change.
"We let ourselves down," Alli said. "It's very disappointing. We have to try and pick ourselves up and finish the season strongly. You can't go 1-0 up then 2-1 down against
a team like Manchester United. We can't put ourselves in that situation.
"Everyone talks. We want to win trophies. We have the staff that wants to win. We can't keep doing this. We can't throw it away, We have got to improve."
A problem beyond the FA Cup
The body of evidence also includes recent title challenges in pursuit of Leicester City and Chelsea that came up short and the three-minute switch off that cost them two goals and a position of control in the Champions League last-16 tie against Juventus at Wembley.
Spurs may rail against the charge that they choke when it matters - that they falter when the finishing line comes into sight - but they are prey for those accusations until they prove otherwise.
And yet, this is a Spurs side that is clearly progressing under Pochettino, a team capable of competing with the best the Premier League has to offer.
Manchester United and Liverpool have been well beaten in the Premier League at Wembley, while Chelsea were overpowered at Stamford Bridge recently. Title-winners Manchester City could not be overcome but Spurs are hardly alone there.
Where does this leave Pochettino?
Pochettino has just completed his fourth season at Spurs without a trophy - even his heavily-derided and soon to be departed north London counterpart Arsene Wenger claimed two FA Cups in that time.
It is the sort of fallow period that might have had some Spurs managers glancing nervously over their shoulders in the direction of demanding chairman Daniel Levy.
And yet, despite the Argentine's continued search for silverware, there is no question whatsoever about his future - nor should there be.
The clear moves in the right direction under the 46-year-old means he is the man charged with taking Spurs to their new stadium and finally ending that barren spell.
Pochettino's Premier League record is one of consistent improvement from fifth to third and then runners-up last season. Spurs are currently on course to qualify for the Champions League again as they stand in fourth place, five points ahead of Chelsea.
Spurs fans and players idolise the man who has brought the intense, entertaining attacking style of football that he insists upon, first to White Hart Lane and then this season at Wembley.
Pochettino, for good measure, is also one of the game's most coveted coaches. Spurs and Levy know they are on to a good thing.
If - in a hypothetical situation - Pochettino came on the market, he would be a candidate for every major post in Europe should they become available. Chelsea, Paris St-Germain and Real Madrid would all have him on any list of candidates.
What he must do now is burnish his outstanding reputation with a trophy - and Spurs will do everything to ensure he does that with them.
Spurs and Mauricio Pochettino are not far away from ending the drought - but the final stretch of the journey to success is proving the toughest and most painful to navigate.
topper
Well-Known Member
- Jan 27, 2008
- 3,806
- 16,254
Fair article to be honest
guiltyparty
Well-Known Member
- Sep 21, 2005
- 9,023
- 13,524
You could look at it another way: we get to the semi final a lot? That’s how it would be sold if it wasn’t for the huge drought in winning a trophy. At that stage, there’s only one more game, after all, so you’d expect it to be hard.
Only Portsmouth out of those games is one you isolate as we should have won (we were on par with Newcastle at the time, and all the other teams were bigger sides at the time).
Outside FA Cup specialists like Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal, we’re unparalleled getting to fa semis.
Over that same time period, Liverpool have only made the Fa cup semi 5 times. The difference being they went on to the final 4 times, and won it twice, although one of them was against Wycombe.
Unsurprisingly, Man City have only got to 3 during that time period, all in the last 5 years (won 2, with 1 leading to cup).
Only Portsmouth out of those games is one you isolate as we should have won (we were on par with Newcastle at the time, and all the other teams were bigger sides at the time).
Outside FA Cup specialists like Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal, we’re unparalleled getting to fa semis.
Over that same time period, Liverpool have only made the Fa cup semi 5 times. The difference being they went on to the final 4 times, and won it twice, although one of them was against Wycombe.
Unsurprisingly, Man City have only got to 3 during that time period, all in the last 5 years (won 2, with 1 leading to cup).
Last edited:
D
Deleted member 27995
Some of you put far too much stock in the spoken and written word of people who are paid to create debate.
Japhet
Well-Known Member
- Aug 30, 2010
- 19,271
- 57,611
Laughing stock is a bit OTT. When you consider what our rivals have spent to keep up or overtake us it's no surprise to me that we are where we are. We've effectively played every game this season away from home as well.
Eh, it's not like Arsenal have broken the bank, but they've won three FA Cups out of the last four.
Japhet
Well-Known Member
- Aug 30, 2010
- 19,271
- 57,611
They've spent a shed load more than we have when you take transfers and salaries into account and they've just splurged a huge lump on Aubameyang ans Lacazette and given Ozil the Crown Jewels to stay there.
Dov67
Well-Known Member
- Jul 1, 2005
- 3,349
- 10,356
we are going to take a lot of shit over the next few days. Its made me angry in the past because its been a whole bunch of knee jerk cliched bullshit.
It would anger me even more now because a lot of what is going to be said will have a large element of truth to it and the truth hurts.....we did not bottle it against Chelsea last year, or Leicester (utter BS!) but we did yesterday.
staying away from newspapers and my usual sports podcasts for at least a week. Don't want to hear any of it.
It would anger me even more now because a lot of what is going to be said will have a large element of truth to it and the truth hurts.....we did not bottle it against Chelsea last year, or Leicester (utter BS!) but we did yesterday.
staying away from newspapers and my usual sports podcasts for at least a week. Don't want to hear any of it.
