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Bobbins

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What, on his own?
Sounds to me like you don't watch much of the Championship.

In a decent team like Villa, a player genuinely worth £40m should be the difference in games in a league like the Championship.

He scored 3 goals and got 6 assists.

If he was worth £40m he should expect double figures in both, at least. Making the kind of contribution that would've seen the club get promotion.

Onomha scored more than him in less minutes and he's not being talked about at £40m. Snodgrass scored 7 and got 14 assists, that's a difference-maker, and he's barely regarded as PL standard.

I watch quite a bit of the Championship and in regards to Grealish I've never seen him dominate a game or even look more than decent.
 

Gb160

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In a decent team like Villa, a player genuinely worth £40m should be the difference in games in a league like the Championship.

He scored 3 goals and got 6 assists.

If he was worth £40m he should expect double figures in both, at least. Making the kind of contribution that would've seen the club get promotion.

Onomha scored more than him in less minutes and he's not being talked about at £40m.

I watch quite a bit of the Championship and in regards to Grealish I've never seen him dominate a game or even look more than decent.
He's not worth £40m though, it's just a dream figure Villa have put out to scare off lowball bids.
They won't get anywhere near that, probably about half, and they know it.
 

Bobbins

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He's not worth £40m though, it's just a dream figure Villa have put out to scare off lowball bids.
They won't get anywhere near that, probably about half, and they know it.

OK so that was exactly my point in the post you quoted, maybe I didn't make that clear.
 

Lemon

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Surely Bluemoon must realise that their team are 'legends' ? - They had a chance to clean up and win an unprecedented 'Quadruple' - but they blew out of the FA Cup against Wigan and lost in the CL semi against
the "People's Princesses'

Any normal team including would love to take the title or the FA Cup but with the money thrown at the City team perhaps their success wasn't as good as it should have been ? Maybe another half billion or so being spent will help for 2018/19 ?

True, if that City squad had Sir Alex (in his prime) manage it last season, they would have definitely won PL+CL, possibly all four, IMO.
 

Sir Henry

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Yes so Villa's value of £30m for a player with such potential in today's market shouldn't really be that surprising.

I wouldnt be surprised if Levy values Kane at 19.4 billion quid, doesnt mean he'll get it
In a decent team like Villa, a player genuinely worth £40m should be the difference in games in a league like the Championship.

He scored 3 goals and got 6 assists.

If he was worth £40m he should expect double figures in both, at least. Making the kind of contribution that would've seen the club get promotion.

Onomha scored more than him in less minutes and he's not being talked about at £40m. Snodgrass scored 7 and got 14 assists, that's a difference-maker, and he's barely regarded as PL standard.

I watch quite a bit of the Championship and in regards to Grealish I've never seen him dominate a game or even look more than decent.

Awesome post, there is nothing there that can be argued.
 

Lighty64

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In a decent team like Villa, a player genuinely worth £40m should be the difference in games in a league like the Championship.

He scored 3 goals and got 6 assists.

If he was worth £40m he should expect double figures in both, at least. Making the kind of contribution that would've seen the club get promotion.

Onomha scored more than him in less minutes and he's not being talked about at £40m. Snodgrass scored 7 and got 14 assists, that's a difference-maker, and he's barely regarded as PL standard.

I watch quite a bit of the Championship and in regards to Grealish I've never seen him dominate a game or even look more than decent.

definitely not worth 40m, but if your going to put stats, at least include in brackets that was for under ½ a seasons worth of playing time. just saying if he was going to replace Dembele, that's 3 goals more, and 6 assist more than Dembele got last season
 

Bobbins

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definitely not worth 40m, but if your going to put stats, at least include in brackets that was for under ½ a seasons worth of playing time. just saying if he was going to replace Dembele, that's 3 goals more, and 6 assist more than Dembele got last season

Funnily enough Grealish played in almost exactly 50% of the available league minutes for Villa. But he still played for well over 2000 minutes and only a handful of players played more than him (and they all scored and assisted more than him).

Dembele is hardly the right player to be making comparisons to though is he? They don't play remotely the same role.
 

Lighty64

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Funnily enough Grealish played in almost exactly 50% of the available league minutes for Villa. But he still played for well over 2000 minutes and only a handful of players played more than him (and they all scored and assisted more than him).

Dembele is hardly the right player to be making comparisons to though is he? They don't play remotely the same role.

well going by what I've read on here about him, he ham played the CM role quite a bit
 

Bobbins

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well going by what I've read on here about him, he ham played the CM role quite a bit

That's where he played, but not how he played. He was directed further up the pitch and wasn't playing a role even close to what Dembele does for us.

I'm not sure what's up for debate anyway - surely you don't think he's actually worth £40m (which is what I was saying)?
 

Lighty64

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That's where he played, but not how he played. He was directed further up the pitch and wasn't playing a role even close to what Dembele does for us.

I'm not sure what's up for debate anyway - surely you don't think he's actually worth £40m (which is what I was saying)?

if you look at the post I quoted you originally I said I don't, 15-20m and I honestly think he would be worth it. Terry helped him grow up, Poch will help develop, and the players around him will give him more confidence.
 

SugarRay

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Being uneducated or educated has nothing to do with ‘class’ or academic gifts, all you need to be educated is the will to make it happen, and you can start as a child or as a middle aged man or at any other point. If you have a thirst to broaden yourself and to be more knowledgeable, something usually cultivated by ones parents, then leaving school at 12 to become a footballer shouldn’t affect that. To be uneducated, at least in our privileged western society, is a choice, not something imposed on you.

Has nothing to do with class? I cannot agree there.
The council estate I grew up on, most of the kids had little opportunity or guidance. Broken families galore and parents with little interest makes it difficult for them kids, and believe me, there’s plenty in them situations and worse these days. It’s not a choice at all for these kids.

I was one of the few of my group of friends who was from a stable home with loving parents who gave proper guidance. Made a huge difference.

Anyway, ever so slightly off topic!
 

SugarRay

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I agree with you about Henry Winter, he comes across as incredibly self-important and arrogant to me, I can't stand him.

What's your issue with Sid Lowe though if you don't mind me asking? I'm not a massive fan of his or anything but he's always just seemed kind of bland and inoffensive to me, he's not one of these WUM types or anything. Admittedly, I've only ever heard him on the Guardian podcast doing his little 2 minute roundups of La Liga though so he doesn't get much of a chance there to show his "true colours" if he is a prick.

No idea who you mean with "Martin" though so I'll just assume he's a prick :D

Lowe is ok with his round ups but I’ve heard him on a panel on podcasts and he’s incredibly arrogant.

Martin Samuel. The jabba the hut lookalike who has a massive West Ham agenda.
 

beats1

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if you look at the post I quoted you originally I said I don't, 15-20m and I honestly think he would be worth it. Terry helped him grow up, Poch will help develop, and the players around him will give him more confidence.
This is the biggest myth that gets sprouted about all over here every single window.

Its not true, Im not saying that Poch doesnt develop players but the ones that have been signed under him havent kicked on

Unless you're good enough for our first eleven or be a rotational player, you wont be developing under poch. Players like Dier, Kane, Son, Sanchez and etc. were all good enough for the first team

Whereas your players like N'Jie, N'koudou, Stambouli, Yedlin and even Janssen have struggled despite having potential
 

beats1

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They weren't even Poch signings.
Neither were Dier, Alli, Kane and Rose yet he improved them a lot

The point is that this idea that poch can take players with potential and get the best out of them isn't true unless they're are good enough to be in the first team
 

Lighty64

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This is the biggest myth that gets sprouted about all over here every single window.

Its not true, Im not saying that Poch doesnt develop players but the ones that have been signed under him havent kicked on

Unless you're good enough for our first eleven or be a rotational player, you wont be developing under poch. Players like Dier, Kane, Son, Sanchez and etc. were all good enough for the first team

Whereas your players like N'Jie, N'koudou, Stambouli, Yedlin and even Janssen have struggled despite having potential

but Grealish has a talent, he has good ball control, good eye for a pass, and has that little burst of speed that can make a big difference.

the only reason it's being classed as a meh signing is he is coming from the Championship. a league that overall is better quality than most of the players you have named that have failed (though I still say, Janssen just needed a goal from open play very early and I think he would of kicked on).
 

beats1

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but Grealish has a talent, he has good ball control, good eye for a pass, and has that little burst of speed that can make a big difference.

the only reason it's being classed as a meh signing is he is coming from the Championship. a league that overall is better quality than most of the players you have named that have failed (though I still say, Janssen just needed a goal from open play very early and I think he would of kicked on).
I go to regular championship games as my local team is in the championship, grealish isn't that great or a standout. The way you described Grealish you could easily describe Onomah and even Lansbury

Its a bit misleading how people describe him as a CM, he wasnt a CM, he was like Eriksen when he gets moved to CM late in games when we are chasing. He goes deep when we are defending but he is always behind the striker whilst being ahead of whelan and hourihane.

Sessegnon on the other hand was a standout player as was Mitrovic, I saw both play derby(my local team) in the playoffs and derby had a clear game plan to stop both. These guys had been targeted and neither had great games but they were targeted by the opposition. When playing Villa, Grealish wasnt given the same respect, he had a good game but derby didnt see him as the threat as opposed to Mitrovic and Sessegnon
 

Lighty64

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I go to regular championship games as my local team is in the championship, grealish isn't that great or a standout. The way you described Grealish you could easily describe Onomah and even Lansbury

Its a bit misleading how people describe him as a CM, he wasnt a CM, he was like Eriksen when he gets moved to CM late in games when we are chasing. He goes deep when we are defending but he is always behind the striker whilst being ahead of whelan and hourihane.

Sessegnon on the other hand was a standout player as was Mitrovic, I saw both play derby(my local team) in the playoffs and derby had a clear game plan to stop both. These guys had been targeted and neither had great games but they were targeted by the opposition. When playing Villa, Grealish wasnt given the same respect, he had a good game but derby didnt see him as the threat as opposed to Mitrovic and Sessegnon

we all have our own views whether you have watched him more than me fair enough, when Ive seen him I think he has played well (not 40m worth) and feel he would be better in a much better team
 

beats1

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we all have our own views whether you have watched him more than me fair enough, when Ive seen him I think he has played well (not 40m worth) and feel he would be better in a much better team
Thats fair, I just mainly disagreed on the statement of poch working his magic on him
 
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They're comparing Kane to two of the greats on RAWK. Well, sort of...

Poster #1: "According to Opta, Harry Kane is the first player to score against two different goalkeepers in the same World Cup match since Diego Forlan versus South Africa in 2010."

(y)

Poster #2: "Also the first player to do bugger all and score a brace since Cristiano Ronaldo since the Friday just gone."

:rolleyes: :LOL:
 
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