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Kiedis

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Oh dear....

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I wish we could just round all these "hard" fighters up in a field somewhere, where they could fight it out until there was only one guy left alive.

Then we could hoist him up on a great pedestal, shower him with champagne, and shoot him.

Too harsh? Maybe, but these neckbearded virgins grinds my gears.
 

Shanks

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Oh dear....

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Embarrassing! Luckily, there's a vid doing the rounds of Arsenal fans singing an anti Ozil chant to the Ozil (Alli) tune on a train after the Bayern match. If it hasn't been posted I'd post it, but I don't know how to embed if from whatsapp.

Looks about as hard as a knob of butter.

And 12 years old.

Fucking numbnuts.
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Oh dear....

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Embarrassing! Luckily, there's a vid doing the rounds of Arsenal fans singing an anti Ozil chant to the Ozil (Alli) tune on a train after the Bayern match. If it hasn't been posted I'd post it, but I don't know how to embed if from whatsapp.

While he does seem like a knob - he was definitely just taking the piss on Twitter...
 

Real_madyidd

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Yeah of course he is but even so, wielding a knife and tweeting Millwall's official twitter account saying to bring their top boys? Fucknut deserves a prosecution.


While somebody has rated your post as funny, it is actually a good point. If just one idiot takes it seriously and hurts an innocent fan then this **** has incited it. We should remember that while we know it is a joke football "firms/ top boys" are basically retarded.
 

shelfmonkey

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Oh dear....

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Embarrassing! Luckily, there's a vid doing the rounds of Arsenal fans singing an anti Ozil chant to the Ozil (Alli) tune on a train after the Bayern match. If it hasn't been posted I'd post it, but I don't know how to embed if from whatsapp.

Jeeeeez!!!! I bet that pillock couldn't even win a with fight his duvet on his way out of bed! :rolleyes:
 

double0

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Unfortunately there are to many idiots about, if certain people/fans belonging to a club associated with violence believe they're hard by some logic and try to live up to it.


Most haven't been in a real scrap in their life and if that's what some want, why not go to the local boxing or mma club...There's no place in football for thuggish stupidity.
 
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Roynie

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That's the official Millwall Twitter account he included too? Jesus... I wouldn't be surprised if the old bill have a word.

They should he is inciting violence. If more than 12 people gathered and violence did occur then it's Incitement to Riot, although the legislation has changed since I left the Old Bill there will still be a piece of legislation to deal with it. I really thought football had got past this.

What a plank!
 

LondonOllie

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Is he not just taking the piss?

Even if he is just taking the piss and not being serious, most of the Millwall lot have not evolved to understand spoken language yet, and most metaphorically speaking, are still poking ants in tree trunks with twigs, so expecting them to understand this tit, is expecting a lot.
 

Spurlock

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Even if he is just taking the piss and not being serious, most of the Millwall lot have not evolved to understand spoken language yet, and most metaphorically speaking, are still poking ants in tree trunks with twigs, so expecting them to understand this tit, is expecting a lot.

Looks at self in mirror. "Am I.... Am I a Millwall Fan?"
 

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Took a peek in the Kane thread on RedCafe to see what was happening.

" used the search function but couldn't find a new thread.

Are there any Cafites that wouldn't take Kane? He's a very good player but I still don't get it. He's slow and predictable, tries shooting everytime rather than play in a team mate, I just don't get it? Maybe it's because I love the Thierry Henry type, pacey and tricky to defend against. I dunno - he still doesn't convince me.

Saying that, I haven't seen his goal scoring stats which are probably very impressive.

Seems a nice lad, happy for him."

"His tongue is too big for his mouth."

"Never get the feeling that he'll miss from the spot. A bit like Shearer in the past."

"Been a pen merchant this season."

"He's a little slow and I don't think he's anything above average technically but he scores a lot of goals."

"How many of his goals have been penalties? It does seem every time I look at the final scores, Spurs always have Kane (p) underneath them."

"It's been insane the number of soft penalties spurs have been getting"

"Nah, I still don't get it with this guy.

Lovely finisher but that's it. Far better players around, Spurs can keep him."

"Another hatrick yesterday, He convinced me last season that he is the real deal. After banging them in again this one i think i know who i want to replace Zlatan."

"He's good, but he's not 100m good, and that's what Levy would be starting at!"

"Good but not world class"

"Another overrated player just the same as Dele Alli. Both decent premier league players but never going be the top top players consistently in a title winning team. They may have a good couple of seasons here and there but are still below the top level required to dominate the league."

"Very harsh on both of them IMO. Only in Premier League Kane (born in '93) scored 21 goals in 13/14, 25 in 14/15 and now 14 in 20 games of this season - these are not stats of a "decent Premier League player", he's one of the best strikers in the league. I definitely think he is good enough to be a starter in a title winning team - it won't be Spurs, be he would do just fine in United or Chelsea (personally I'd take Kane over Costa comfortably). Not a world class (yet?), wonderful goalscorer and a very good player.
Alli is a year older than Rashford and a year younger than Martial. In last two seasons he has 57 PL apps, 21 goals and 12 assists. Martial and Rashford combined got total of 22 goals and 11 assists. I dislike Spurs with passion, but looking at Dele's stats and game I have no doubt he is one of the best prospects in the league, he has everything to be the best English midfielder of his generation. Next summer (2018) he could be off to a top team, I think."

"Flat track bully? He does usually show up for the North London derby but he does also tend to falter in other big games."

"precisely how I feel too; not a fan of Spurs at all but it's good to give credit where it's due. Kane and Ali will be among England's finest for years to come. If you saw Ali dismantle Chelsea with movement and two headed goals you'd think you were watching a seasoned pro of many years but them two are but young boys really and can only progress"

"Spurs attack is also quite shit though.

They never look like scoring a goal whenever I've watched them. Their build-up play is so laboured."

"Harry Kane is just consistent,a step below top level, goalscorer whom is just about good for the title winning team, Delle Alli is potentially best English midfielder of his generation and already quite tearing the league apart... both players are much better than decent although can be little overrated, I believe they can look even better in a better team like United"

"One of the best centre forwards in Europe. I'm not entirely sure what he has to do to get the universal acclaim his record and form clearly deserves.

There's something slightly inelegant about Kane, but he's the real deal and his goal record stands up to scrutiny."

"If this was 2007 I could see Fergie breaking the bank for him, and Spurs selling. Now the dynamic is a little different, plus Levy would tell us to get fecked."

"I agree with what you said about Kane being consistent and a step below top level. Dele Alli tearing the league apart on the other hand..... His performances get blown well out of proportion. He isn't tearing the league apart. He has 3 good games then 3 average games. Scores a couple off decent goals here and there and he is supposedly likely to be the "best English Midfielder of his generation". I will be in the minority here but I really don't think he is that good. He is about Lingard's level and Lingard would be doing just as well as Alli is if he played for Spurs. A top 6 quality player but not a top title winning first teamer and certainly not elite European level unless he has some world beaters in and around him to take his team to that level. People talk as if he is the best midfielder in the premier league. If that is true then the premier league is very weak indeed."

"I said we should have bought him last summer but people scoffed at having to pay £50m - he needs to prove it another season they said, his price won't increase anyway they said. You'd be looking at double that now."

"Lingard is not on Alli's level..."

"Bit of a pointless post considering Spurs would never have sold him to us for £50m in a million years, and he would likely not want to leave anyway."

"Yep people are blinded by completely irrelevant aspects of his play and it happens with a lot of players, he might not look great on the ball but it means nothing. He is an exceptional player, he is there to kick it in the goal, every team in the league knows how he plays and his limitations but nobody can stop him. Might not have the charisma or flashiness of some players but he is just about as good a goalscorer as you could wish to have in your team."

"Serious question, do you watch spurs? some of your views seem quite frankly absurd, you are massively underrating Kane and Alli."

"Yes I do watch them. When United aren't playing. Spurs are a great unit I just don't think many of their players are that great individually."

"I can only laugh at Spurs missing on top 4 this year and some of the overreaction from their fans' camp but jeez what did you just write? With a bit of honesty, isn't that 3 good games decent and 3 good games average how Pogba performs this year? And Alli is 3 years old and currently 20! speaking about him like he's shit is ridiculous, a player who has so many years to reach his potential (could be in 8 fecking years!! which is like an average age to reach your top level) he's already at 13+6 this season, playing more attacking role than Pogba sure, maybe lesser potential than him but surely he can be a worldie too, considering also how good he was in his first season in the premier league as a teenager.

Also Lingard is as good as Alli? That is absolute nonsense, Kane and him are carrying the team without a doubt along with Erricksen at times, the rest is decent players playing above their level due to pochettino's leadership skills and sense for organization... you picked the wrong players"

"Kane is one goal away from his third consecutive 20 goal season (all competitions, although he's likely to reach 20 in the league again this year), and that goal will also be his 100th career goal. By the age of 23. Because he's slow and doesn't dribble past many players like Suarez does he gets a lot of criticism but his goal record is fantastic."

"I never mentioned Pogba so i'm not sure why you added him to the equation. Pogba has had half good games and half awful games so I would say Alli has been the better of the two. That doesn't mean I think Alli has been great. I wasn't speaking about him like he's shit either, just not as good as others are implying or expecting him to be in the future."

"I agree, they are a great unit, and arguably a case of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts team, but that's always an accusation when you are getting the best out of players, for instance danny rose and kyle walker, now considered two of the best fullbacks in the league weren't really up to much pre pocchetino, his system has brought them and others along hugely as players and its hard to work out if they can function as effectively outside of that system.

With regards to Kane and Alli though, I genuinely feel they are a little special. Kane will score goals no matter what, he just has incredible instincts, get him the ball enough and he will get it in the goal. Alli is afforded essentially a free role in the side so he has advantages a lot of other promising players don't have but he certainly makes the most out of it, he has been in terrific form and fully deserves his place as the prem player of the month based on terrific form. He also won the young player of the year award last season and that was for my money not in the slightest controversial, he will become a top player I'm sure."

"With all due respect, you're massively underrating Alli.
Out of interest, why would Lingard perform better at Spurs and not United?"

"Lingard is on the same level as Alli? :lol: they guy would struggle to get into a team like Watford or Bournemouth, let alone a team above us in the league.

Alli, on the other hand, is a brilliant player who would start for most of the teams in the league."

"Lingard wouldn't get near the Spurs first team. Townsend couldn't get a game and was shipped off and he's about Lingards level. Christ."

"If given the same role and freedom as Alli at Spurs I think Lingard would be at a similar level. I don't think that would ever happen but if given the chance I don't think there is a big difference in ability between the two. At United he will never get in consistently ahead of Mhki, Mata, Martial who are all better than him and all better than Alli IMO."

"Lingard has never done anything to suggest he's capable of playing at that level just yet. You can't just cite lack of playing time to make up for that, but if you really believe it then why aren't you slating Mourinho for not playing him in the same role as Alli for Spurs every week? Either Lingard isn't as good as you're saying, or Mourinho is a terrible judge of talent."

"He's quite good.

I'm still mystified by his absolutely horrible display at the Euros."

"Solid but unspectacular, would rather set our sights higher."

"You need to watch Alli more. The kid is the real deal."

"Not a chance. You are talking shits. Alli is much more talented than Lingard and also performing at a much better level too. He is the real deal"

"What the actual feck?

I'm all for supporting United and our players, but come on, you can't be serious with this"

"I support United but the truth is Alli is much better than any young player at United."

"Nah. Another overhyped English midfielder being turned into an average no.10 for some reason. Much better than Lingard ( don't know know what that guy has been smoking) but I'd much rather have Rashford or Martial."

"He's way better than Rash and prob a bit better than Martial too atm, or at least more consistent."

"I can only assume the guy is trolling because if he truely believes Alli is on the same level as Lingard then I'm not sure if he has ever actually watched a football match in his life."

"I think Alli has far more talent than Kane, but you can't knock the goals he gets. I still think he goes missing in the majority of big games and looks painfully crap against top defences - shooting from everywhere and anywhere. I just don't think he as much between the ears, but has great technique. I don't think he'll be a title winning striker 1st team striker any time soon."

"Alli has more natural ability than Kane that's for sure. What Kane has in spades though is professionalism and a willingness to put the work in to improve himself. That will take him very far in the game. People talk Kane down a bit sometimes but his record speaks for itself, he is a world class goal scorer and is only going to get better. He may not look particularly skillful and doesnt move around the pitch with grace however he does the hardest thing in the game regularly which is to put the ball in the back of the net. If he can stay fit I see no reason why he can't continue to score 20+ goals every season, something which only a small elite group of strikers could achieve."

"Can't agree with assertion that Alli is more talented than Kane.

Kane has more to his game than just goals he can have very good games even if he is not scoring whereas if you take away Alli's goals away at the moment there is not much to write home about Alli's overall contribution to the team. As far as Kane going missing against top opposition its more to do with lack of service from the midfield which Alli is suppose to be part of."

"As I said in Alli's thread, he's been almost exclusively playing as a forward and has give or take a goal or assist every 2.5 games. Martial, who I think we can all agree has had a pretty poor season and has played almost every game on the wing, has give or take a goal or assist every 2.5 games.

Rashford, who has also played most of his games on the wing and is younger and far less experienced, has a goal or assist roughly every 4 games. However, about 50% of his games have been sub appearances so tbh I would bet his productivity is also pretty comparable to Alli's.

But stats aside, in the completely subjective "how shat up are the defenders who have to face them" stakes I'd take Rashford and Martial over Alli all day."

"Rashford and Martial are wide players/forwards. Alli plays through the centre. Very different positions and very different players. Rashford and Martial are forwards, Alli is an attacking midfielder. If they didn't have better or comparable stats re: assists and goals there would be something wrong."

"See this is the only thing I have a qualm with, as he's been pretty crap on the "world level". There is no doubt he is bloody effective in England, is hard working and a great professional, but he's not performed in the CL and didn't really set the world alight in the Europa either. Does your record against big teams not worry you in that respect? Agree he probably will continually get 20 goals a season - which is not to be sniffed at - but when he doesn't do it against the big teams when you need the results, I think it's valid to question whether he's world class. I know I'm shouldering Kane with a lot of blame, but I feel he's overrated in the "world class" bracket.

Digressing slightly, but I think Alli is gifted and will be world class and make something out of nothing - provided he adopts an attitude like Kane!"

"I think it's the obvious things that will propel him into that top category - fire Spurs to some trophies, score regularly in the Champion's League, etc. I think he has it in him."

"3 appearances and 2 goals in the Champions League so far. Not sure how that is not performing. The team havent performed but he has done just fine. 33 Europa league appearances and 12 goals isn't as good of course but it's not terrible either.

He is only 23 - for his age and his current goal record he is certainly at the very top level within his age bracket in world football. He is playing in one of the top leagues in world football and scoring regularly. Is it his fault England have been crap? Don't think so. He was taking corners in the Euro's ffs!"

"You think Alli is a striker then? He makes forward runs which gets him into the box but his starting position is midfield. You are getting where he ends up because of the exceptional runs he makes and his actual starting position and where he plays most of his football mixed up. He is a midfielder. Rashford and Martial start in more advanced areas than Alli and are clearly forwards."

"I don't agree. Alli plays like an old school link man in a 442, just off the main striker. Which I don't get as his strengths are clearly more suited to midfield for me. He should be learning to cope with proper defensive responsibility not how to become an okay forward.

For reference see Barkley. Luckily Alli's manager isn't as mad as Martinez so he's still a chance of fulfilling his potential but it's not the way I would go about it."

"No he doesnt, that is Eriksen's position - sitting on the edge of the box behind the main striker. Alli is so dangerous because he comes from deep and ends up in the box often because of the great runs he makes. He plays deeper than you think. If you look at our last match vs Fulham he ended the game in the centre of midfield. As I keep saying, Alli is an attacking midfielder who can also play in centre midfield. Rashford and Martial are wide forwards who can also play up front. Not sure why this is up for debate other than to try and deflect from the fact Alli's stats are so exceptional."

"Yeah but I don't really think you put those 2 goals in the champions league into perspective. 1 goal against Monaco and you lost the match? 1 goal against CSKA, who were the whipping boys of your group. Again, Europa goals are good in sheer numbers, but doesn't address the fact he's poor in the later stages.

Also, I think I confused you when I said England, as I meant the Prem, FA cup, etc. England national team is a whoooole other story which Kane has no blame in under performing there!

I'd just like to point out, I'm not saying he's rubbish, because he's far from it. I just think the world class striker is very premature and he hasn't shown much to suggest he's quite there yet."

"Kane just loves a London derby, he definitely shows up against the big teams. I'm under the impression that his overall play is underrated, the boy is so much more than only goals.

Alli is a class player, he'll go far in the game."

"Because Mhki, Mata and Martial are all better than Lingard so he shouldn't be in the team that's why i'm not slating Mourinho. They are all better than Dele Alli as well that's the point."

"His finishing is his real asset, he's a real penalty box striker but for the money Tottenham would want he doesn't offer enough yet.

When his teams are on top he usually does well, but when it's a tight game he goes missing far too much."

"For me, his main asset is his movement and finishing ability. He can score any type of center forward goal, and can score against any type of opposition. The rest of his game is above average for me, and he has no clear weaknesses to his game. He may not be the most pleasing player to watch, but he works hard, is in the right place, and usually finishes his chance."

"He reminds me of a better Gilardino, who I liked.
(Kane that is)"
 

guiltyparty

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While somebody has rated your post as funny, it is actually a good point. If just one idiot takes it seriously and hurts an innocent fan then this **** has incited it. We should remember that while we know it is a joke football "firms/ top boys" are basically retarded.

It would only be funny if he had a silly plastic knife you get from a service station or something. Using a proper knife is not funny, no matter how you dress it up

Edit: the guy with the pancake flipper, bang on
 

dagraham

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Looks about as hard as a knob of butter.

And 12 years old.

Fucking numbnuts.

Well to be fair, a 12 year old knob of butter that's been in the fridge is pretty damn fucking hard........I mean can you spread it?
 

Lilbaz

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Took a peek in the Kane thread on RedCafe to see what was happening.

" used the search function but couldn't find a new thread.

Are there any Cafites that wouldn't take Kane? He's a very good player but I still don't get it. He's slow and predictable, tries shooting everytime rather than play in a team mate, I just don't get it? Maybe it's because I love the Thierry Henry type, pacey and tricky to defend against. I dunno - he still doesn't convince me.

Saying that, I haven't seen his goal scoring stats which are probably very impressive.

Seems a nice lad, happy for him."

"His tongue is too big for his mouth."

"Never get the feeling that he'll miss from the spot. A bit like Shearer in the past."

"Been a pen merchant this season."

"He's a little slow and I don't think he's anything above average technically but he scores a lot of goals."

"How many of his goals have been penalties? It does seem every time I look at the final scores, Spurs always have Kane (p) underneath them."

"It's been insane the number of soft penalties spurs have been getting"

"Nah, I still don't get it with this guy.

Lovely finisher but that's it. Far better players around, Spurs can keep him."

"Another hatrick yesterday, He convinced me last season that he is the real deal. After banging them in again this one i think i know who i want to replace Zlatan."

"He's good, but he's not 100m good, and that's what Levy would be starting at!"

"Good but not world class"

"Another overrated player just the same as Dele Alli. Both decent premier league players but never going be the top top players consistently in a title winning team. They may have a good couple of seasons here and there but are still below the top level required to dominate the league."

"Very harsh on both of them IMO. Only in Premier League Kane (born in '93) scored 21 goals in 13/14, 25 in 14/15 and now 14 in 20 games of this season - these are not stats of a "decent Premier League player", he's one of the best strikers in the league. I definitely think he is good enough to be a starter in a title winning team - it won't be Spurs, be he would do just fine in United or Chelsea (personally I'd take Kane over Costa comfortably). Not a world class (yet?), wonderful goalscorer and a very good player.
Alli is a year older than Rashford and a year younger than Martial. In last two seasons he has 57 PL apps, 21 goals and 12 assists. Martial and Rashford combined got total of 22 goals and 11 assists. I dislike Spurs with passion, but looking at Dele's stats and game I have no doubt he is one of the best prospects in the league, he has everything to be the best English midfielder of his generation. Next summer (2018) he could be off to a top team, I think."

"Flat track bully? He does usually show up for the North London derby but he does also tend to falter in other big games."

"precisely how I feel too; not a fan of Spurs at all but it's good to give credit where it's due. Kane and Ali will be among England's finest for years to come. If you saw Ali dismantle Chelsea with movement and two headed goals you'd think you were watching a seasoned pro of many years but them two are but young boys really and can only progress"

"Spurs attack is also quite shit though.

They never look like scoring a goal whenever I've watched them. Their build-up play is so laboured."

"Harry Kane is just consistent,a step below top level, goalscorer whom is just about good for the title winning team, Delle Alli is potentially best English midfielder of his generation and already quite tearing the league apart... both players are much better than decent although can be little overrated, I believe they can look even better in a better team like United"

"One of the best centre forwards in Europe. I'm not entirely sure what he has to do to get the universal acclaim his record and form clearly deserves.

There's something slightly inelegant about Kane, but he's the real deal and his goal record stands up to scrutiny."

"If this was 2007 I could see Fergie breaking the bank for him, and Spurs selling. Now the dynamic is a little different, plus Levy would tell us to get fecked."

"I agree with what you said about Kane being consistent and a step below top level. Dele Alli tearing the league apart on the other hand..... His performances get blown well out of proportion. He isn't tearing the league apart. He has 3 good games then 3 average games. Scores a couple off decent goals here and there and he is supposedly likely to be the "best English Midfielder of his generation". I will be in the minority here but I really don't think he is that good. He is about Lingard's level and Lingard would be doing just as well as Alli is if he played for Spurs. A top 6 quality player but not a top title winning first teamer and certainly not elite European level unless he has some world beaters in and around him to take his team to that level. People talk as if he is the best midfielder in the premier league. If that is true then the premier league is very weak indeed."

"I said we should have bought him last summer but people scoffed at having to pay £50m - he needs to prove it another season they said, his price won't increase anyway they said. You'd be looking at double that now."

"Lingard is not on Alli's level..."

"Bit of a pointless post considering Spurs would never have sold him to us for £50m in a million years, and he would likely not want to leave anyway."

"Yep people are blinded by completely irrelevant aspects of his play and it happens with a lot of players, he might not look great on the ball but it means nothing. He is an exceptional player, he is there to kick it in the goal, every team in the league knows how he plays and his limitations but nobody can stop him. Might not have the charisma or flashiness of some players but he is just about as good a goalscorer as you could wish to have in your team."

"Serious question, do you watch spurs? some of your views seem quite frankly absurd, you are massively underrating Kane and Alli."

"Yes I do watch them. When United aren't playing. Spurs are a great unit I just don't think many of their players are that great individually."

"I can only laugh at Spurs missing on top 4 this year and some of the overreaction from their fans' camp but jeez what did you just write? With a bit of honesty, isn't that 3 good games decent and 3 good games average how Pogba performs this year? And Alli is 3 years old and currently 20! speaking about him like he's shit is ridiculous, a player who has so many years to reach his potential (could be in 8 fecking years!! which is like an average age to reach your top level) he's already at 13+6 this season, playing more attacking role than Pogba sure, maybe lesser potential than him but surely he can be a worldie too, considering also how good he was in his first season in the premier league as a teenager.

Also Lingard is as good as Alli? That is absolute nonsense, Kane and him are carrying the team without a doubt along with Erricksen at times, the rest is decent players playing above their level due to pochettino's leadership skills and sense for organization... you picked the wrong players"

"Kane is one goal away from his third consecutive 20 goal season (all competitions, although he's likely to reach 20 in the league again this year), and that goal will also be his 100th career goal. By the age of 23. Because he's slow and doesn't dribble past many players like Suarez does he gets a lot of criticism but his goal record is fantastic."

"I never mentioned Pogba so i'm not sure why you added him to the equation. Pogba has had half good games and half awful games so I would say Alli has been the better of the two. That doesn't mean I think Alli has been great. I wasn't speaking about him like he's shit either, just not as good as others are implying or expecting him to be in the future."

"I agree, they are a great unit, and arguably a case of the whole being greater than the sum of the parts team, but that's always an accusation when you are getting the best out of players, for instance danny rose and kyle walker, now considered two of the best fullbacks in the league weren't really up to much pre pocchetino, his system has brought them and others along hugely as players and its hard to work out if they can function as effectively outside of that system.

With regards to Kane and Alli though, I genuinely feel they are a little special. Kane will score goals no matter what, he just has incredible instincts, get him the ball enough and he will get it in the goal. Alli is afforded essentially a free role in the side so he has advantages a lot of other promising players don't have but he certainly makes the most out of it, he has been in terrific form and fully deserves his place as the prem player of the month based on terrific form. He also won the young player of the year award last season and that was for my money not in the slightest controversial, he will become a top player I'm sure."

"With all due respect, you're massively underrating Alli.
Out of interest, why would Lingard perform better at Spurs and not United?"

"Lingard is on the same level as Alli? :lol: they guy would struggle to get into a team like Watford or Bournemouth, let alone a team above us in the league.

Alli, on the other hand, is a brilliant player who would start for most of the teams in the league."

"Lingard wouldn't get near the Spurs first team. Townsend couldn't get a game and was shipped off and he's about Lingards level. Christ."

"If given the same role and freedom as Alli at Spurs I think Lingard would be at a similar level. I don't think that would ever happen but if given the chance I don't think there is a big difference in ability between the two. At United he will never get in consistently ahead of Mhki, Mata, Martial who are all better than him and all better than Alli IMO."

"Lingard has never done anything to suggest he's capable of playing at that level just yet. You can't just cite lack of playing time to make up for that, but if you really believe it then why aren't you slating Mourinho for not playing him in the same role as Alli for Spurs every week? Either Lingard isn't as good as you're saying, or Mourinho is a terrible judge of talent."

"He's quite good.

I'm still mystified by his absolutely horrible display at the Euros."

"Solid but unspectacular, would rather set our sights higher."

"You need to watch Alli more. The kid is the real deal."

"Not a chance. You are talking shits. Alli is much more talented than Lingard and also performing at a much better level too. He is the real deal"

"What the actual feck?

I'm all for supporting United and our players, but come on, you can't be serious with this"

"I support United but the truth is Alli is much better than any young player at United."

"Nah. Another overhyped English midfielder being turned into an average no.10 for some reason. Much better than Lingard ( don't know know what that guy has been smoking) but I'd much rather have Rashford or Martial."

"He's way better than Rash and prob a bit better than Martial too atm, or at least more consistent."

"I can only assume the guy is trolling because if he truely believes Alli is on the same level as Lingard then I'm not sure if he has ever actually watched a football match in his life."

"I think Alli has far more talent than Kane, but you can't knock the goals he gets. I still think he goes missing in the majority of big games and looks painfully crap against top defences - shooting from everywhere and anywhere. I just don't think he as much between the ears, but has great technique. I don't think he'll be a title winning striker 1st team striker any time soon."

"Alli has more natural ability than Kane that's for sure. What Kane has in spades though is professionalism and a willingness to put the work in to improve himself. That will take him very far in the game. People talk Kane down a bit sometimes but his record speaks for itself, he is a world class goal scorer and is only going to get better. He may not look particularly skillful and doesnt move around the pitch with grace however he does the hardest thing in the game regularly which is to put the ball in the back of the net. If he can stay fit I see no reason why he can't continue to score 20+ goals every season, something which only a small elite group of strikers could achieve."

"Can't agree with assertion that Alli is more talented than Kane.

Kane has more to his game than just goals he can have very good games even if he is not scoring whereas if you take away Alli's goals away at the moment there is not much to write home about Alli's overall contribution to the team. As far as Kane going missing against top opposition its more to do with lack of service from the midfield which Alli is suppose to be part of."

"As I said in Alli's thread, he's been almost exclusively playing as a forward and has give or take a goal or assist every 2.5 games. Martial, who I think we can all agree has had a pretty poor season and has played almost every game on the wing, has give or take a goal or assist every 2.5 games.

Rashford, who has also played most of his games on the wing and is younger and far less experienced, has a goal or assist roughly every 4 games. However, about 50% of his games have been sub appearances so tbh I would bet his productivity is also pretty comparable to Alli's.

But stats aside, in the completely subjective "how shat up are the defenders who have to face them" stakes I'd take Rashford and Martial over Alli all day."

"Rashford and Martial are wide players/forwards. Alli plays through the centre. Very different positions and very different players. Rashford and Martial are forwards, Alli is an attacking midfielder. If they didn't have better or comparable stats re: assists and goals there would be something wrong."

"See this is the only thing I have a qualm with, as he's been pretty crap on the "world level". There is no doubt he is bloody effective in England, is hard working and a great professional, but he's not performed in the CL and didn't really set the world alight in the Europa either. Does your record against big teams not worry you in that respect? Agree he probably will continually get 20 goals a season - which is not to be sniffed at - but when he doesn't do it against the big teams when you need the results, I think it's valid to question whether he's world class. I know I'm shouldering Kane with a lot of blame, but I feel he's overrated in the "world class" bracket.

Digressing slightly, but I think Alli is gifted and will be world class and make something out of nothing - provided he adopts an attitude like Kane!"

"I think it's the obvious things that will propel him into that top category - fire Spurs to some trophies, score regularly in the Champion's League, etc. I think he has it in him."

"3 appearances and 2 goals in the Champions League so far. Not sure how that is not performing. The team havent performed but he has done just fine. 33 Europa league appearances and 12 goals isn't as good of course but it's not terrible either.

He is only 23 - for his age and his current goal record he is certainly at the very top level within his age bracket in world football. He is playing in one of the top leagues in world football and scoring regularly. Is it his fault England have been crap? Don't think so. He was taking corners in the Euro's ffs!"

"You think Alli is a striker then? He makes forward runs which gets him into the box but his starting position is midfield. You are getting where he ends up because of the exceptional runs he makes and his actual starting position and where he plays most of his football mixed up. He is a midfielder. Rashford and Martial start in more advanced areas than Alli and are clearly forwards."

"I don't agree. Alli plays like an old school link man in a 442, just off the main striker. Which I don't get as his strengths are clearly more suited to midfield for me. He should be learning to cope with proper defensive responsibility not how to become an okay forward.

For reference see Barkley. Luckily Alli's manager isn't as mad as Martinez so he's still a chance of fulfilling his potential but it's not the way I would go about it."

"No he doesnt, that is Eriksen's position - sitting on the edge of the box behind the main striker. Alli is so dangerous because he comes from deep and ends up in the box often because of the great runs he makes. He plays deeper than you think. If you look at our last match vs Fulham he ended the game in the centre of midfield. As I keep saying, Alli is an attacking midfielder who can also play in centre midfield. Rashford and Martial are wide forwards who can also play up front. Not sure why this is up for debate other than to try and deflect from the fact Alli's stats are so exceptional."

"Yeah but I don't really think you put those 2 goals in the champions league into perspective. 1 goal against Monaco and you lost the match? 1 goal against CSKA, who were the whipping boys of your group. Again, Europa goals are good in sheer numbers, but doesn't address the fact he's poor in the later stages.

Also, I think I confused you when I said England, as I meant the Prem, FA cup, etc. England national team is a whoooole other story which Kane has no blame in under performing there!

I'd just like to point out, I'm not saying he's rubbish, because he's far from it. I just think the world class striker is very premature and he hasn't shown much to suggest he's quite there yet."

"Kane just loves a London derby, he definitely shows up against the big teams. I'm under the impression that his overall play is underrated, the boy is so much more than only goals.

Alli is a class player, he'll go far in the game."

"Because Mhki, Mata and Martial are all better than Lingard so he shouldn't be in the team that's why i'm not slating Mourinho. They are all better than Dele Alli as well that's the point."

"His finishing is his real asset, he's a real penalty box striker but for the money Tottenham would want he doesn't offer enough yet.

When his teams are on top he usually does well, but when it's a tight game he goes missing far too much."

"For me, his main asset is his movement and finishing ability. He can score any type of center forward goal, and can score against any type of opposition. The rest of his game is above average for me, and he has no clear weaknesses to his game. He may not be the most pleasing player to watch, but he works hard, is in the right place, and usually finishes his chance."

"He reminds me of a better Gilardino, who I liked.
(Kane that is)"

They had the same argument over bale.
 
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