Villas-Boas "Tottenham Board Destroyed Everything I Built"

[For the love of Spurs]

Thank god we have Poch. I’ll admit I loved the Jol and Redknapp era’s but I wouldn’t swap them for this guy.

AVB’s crap style of football and Sherwood’s ego still haunt many me included but it’s over now.

 

[Krule]

No it doesn’t, he did far more than just get us out of a relegation scrap. We played some of the best football in years and had a CL run to boot.

My apologies...quite right....thank you for posting that...

 

[George94]

Thank god we have Poch. I’ll admit I loved the Jol and Redknapp era’s but I wouldn’t swap them for this guy.

AVB’s crap style of football and Sherwood’s ego still haunt many me included but it’s over now.

There was something special and uniquely 'Tottenham' about the Jol era - it's hard to explain really and this might sound bizarre but I almost miss that period of supporting Spurs.

We didn't have all the expectations on us to win something, the atmosphere at WHL was always great no matter who we were playing and we got to watch some great attacking football.

But don't get me wrong, supporting Spurs now isn't that bad...

 

[For the love of Spurs]

There was something special and uniquely 'Tottenham' about the Jol era - it's hard to explain really and this might sound bizarre but I almost miss that period of supporting Spurs.

We didn't have all the expectations on us to win something, the atmosphere at WHL was always great no matter who we were playing and we got to watch some great attacking football.

But don't get me wrong, supporting Spurs now isn't that bad...

I get what you mean, great attacking football, comical manager (in a good way) and no expectations. Every game was for the most part a free hit.

 

[Lilbaz]

Apologies for the 'diversion' earlier...let's get back on track with the thread title. Planet Football have this to say about AVB :

Andre Villas-Boas
Taking over from Redknapp after Spurs had finished fourth but been denied a Champions League place courtesy of Chelsea winning the competition, Villas-Boas got his own taste of misfortune in his only full season in charge as a then-record Premier League points tally still wasn’t enough to get them into the top four.
Their 72 points in 2012-13 was actually more than Spurs managed when finishing third under Pochettino three years later, and though the Portuguese manager undoubtedly benefitted from Gareth Bale’s incredible form, it was a hugely entertaining season.
It’s also worth pointing out Hugo Lloris, Jan Vertonghen, Mousa Dembele and Christian Eriksen were all signed during his time in charge.Now that last line makes interesting reading, just how involved was AVB in bringing those players to the club ?

Bleacherreport printed an article saying "While Tottenham Hotspur chairman Daniel Levy is notoriously watchful when it comes to keeping control of the purse strings, he allowed Spurs’ manager Andre Villas-Boas to reinvest the money as he saw fit. The result was the Portuguese bringing in seven players (excluding youth prospect Zeki Fryers) with the goal of taking Spurs to the next level."

That doesn't sound anything like the Daniel Levy I have come to know and love....giving a relatively new manager the millions earned from Bale to just buy,buy,buy ?? Sorry to painfully remind everyone again but we recruited Paulinho, Roberto Soldado, Nacer Chadli, Etienne Capoue, Christian Eriksen, Vlad Chiriches and Erik Lamela with the money from the sale of the Wales international but the team had been unconvincing that season.The nail in the coffin being the 5-0 drubbing we took from Liverpool (Yes..them again)

Lord Sugar (bless him ) said "The money was spent irresponsibly, in the sense that you can't just go and buy, quickly, seven players and shove them into a team.

So who bought those players ? was it really money just handed to AVB and away he went on a shopping spree ? If it was then it certainly would explain Levy's extremely hardened approach to transfer dealing since then...but I don't (forgive the pun) buy it.

I believe that when AVB came into the club and it was suddenly awash with money from the Bale deal then meetings took place to target incoming players, he would have contributed his opinion. The final decision though must have rested with Levy and the board. So the unforgettable influx of players took place. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2420146/Spurs-new-boys-pictured-time.html

In short I believe AVB was made the scapegoat for such a move. I admit I did not like his style of play (especially after watching Harry's team, which I also admit was very 'cavalier' but by Christ it had the heart pumping) . The team performances were awful, the magnificent seven were a laughing stock and the fans were revolting (not literally of course...we're all great people ). He was the perfect donkey to carry the full burden of responsibility and the Liverpool match lit the fuse.

To summarise..(in my opinion) AVB came to the club at the wrong time and brought the wrong brand of football with him following Redknapps departure. He was standing like King Canute against a wave of displeasure and dissatisfaction following Bale's exit and the majority of resultant incomers. So it was wash the decks and get rid...enter Tim Sherwood and his ego....but that's another story. I felt genuinely sorry for the guy but can totally understand the reasons for his leaving. It suited everyone at the club..except him.

I also think the guy who sat at the back in the shadows when the shit hit the fan was Franco Baldini (Technical Director)....a complete idiot and in my opinion very, very influential in the signings...

Baldini got the players in. Sherwood allegedly criticised him for it. Saying we had better players in the youth set up coming through. The likes of kane, mason etc...

 

[Krule]

Just to clear something up once and for all.....

@Jonboy

You typed the following :

Forums are for discussion and opinions
I have not felt offended by anything said and equally hope I’ve not offended anyone else.
But I stand by my opinion wholeheartedly, whilst respecting others.
Someone put me on ignore for this conversation? I mean come on

Here are some of your replies to me during our 'conversation'...

Shut up Would you swap Poch for Harry No I didn’t think so/End of conversation, because you say so?
Arrogance is not a quality mate/Krule you can just chat about this like adults instead of neg repping every comment you big girl
You keep saying the end etc yet can’t resist a neg rep/THE END (Only joking, only muppets do that)/Out of 1500 posts , you’ve neg repped me more than anyone ever Congratulations you remind me of my 6 year old/Like I said Remind me of my 6 year old/Arrogance is writing THE END after your post mate

It was obvious that we were always going to clash concerning Harry's tenure as manager so to continue was unproductive and probably boring to our members when reading.It was also not relevant to the Thread title for which I apologise to all. When two people are conversing and one of them decides not to speak on the subject matter any more then whatever you may think that is the end of the discussion, not arrogance at all... just letting you know I felt there was no more to say and best to move on. I tried to do so by posting :
The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom.”
I believe Harry gave me that as a manager...you don't....end of.

You referred to that as arrogant so I finally printed....It's not arrogance at all ..it's a friendly way of saying we shall obviously never agree on the subject so it's pointless to continue the debate. Why take such an aggressive stance ?? The End.

I do not consider myself 'offensive' in either of those postings.

I have removed you from 'Ignore' because I quite enjoy reading your postings and hope that any further 'discussions' we may have can take place in a little more civilised fashion.

For Your Information :
You keep referring to 'neg repping' which I assume means giving negative reply ratings to your postings.You have received 8 negative ratings in total and given out 24. During this thread's revival you have received just one negative rating from a member and that wasn't me, I have never given you a negative one.

Olive branch duly offered........

 

[danielneeds]

There was something special and uniquely 'Tottenham' about the Jol era - it's hard to explain really and this might sound bizarre but I almost miss that period of supporting Spurs.

We didn't have all the expectations on us to win something, the atmosphere at WHL was always great no matter who we were playing and we got to watch some great attacking football.

But don't get me wrong, supporting Spurs now isn't that bad...

It was definitely a rebirth of sorts after the hopeless years under Gross, Graham and the heartbreak of Hoddle not working out. We seemed to have a purpose again, signed young and hungry players after having too many that were just happy to be here and collect their wages. It wasn't perfect, but it felt like we had a soul again.

 

[Krule]

It was definitely a rebirth of sorts after the hopeless years under Gross, Graham and the heartbreak of Hoddle not working out. We seemed to have a purpose again, signed young and hungry players after having too many that were just happy to be here and collect their wages. It wasn't perfect, but it felt like we had a soul again.

With regard to Hoddle Levy gave him a right slating when he left..
Chairman Daniel Levy, who had lost confidence in his manager, broke off his honeymoon to announce the decision and criticised Hoddle, one of the finest players in the club's history, for an "unacceptable lack of progress and any visible sign of improvement". "It is critical that I, and the board, have absolute confidence in the manager to deliver success to the club. Regrettably we do not. It is not a decision we have taken lightly. However, we are determined to see this club succeed and we must now move forward."

Hardly your 'mutually agreeable decision and we would like to thank Glen for his efforts'

A pity that a brilliant ex-player left the club in such an atmosphere.

 

[danielneeds]

With regard to Hoddle Levy gave him a right slating when he left..
Chairman Daniel Levy, who had lost confidence in his manager, broke off his honeymoon to announce the decision and criticised Hoddle, one of the finest players in the club's history, for an "unacceptable lack of progress and any visible sign of improvement". "It is critical that I, and the board, have absolute confidence in the manager to deliver success to the club. Regrettably we do not. It is not a decision we have taken lightly. However, we are determined to see this club succeed and we must now move forward."

Hardly your 'mutually agreeable decision and we would like to thank Glen for his efforts'

A pity that a brilliant ex-player left the club in such an atmosphere.

Hoddle's obviously quite a complex guy, and though people speak very highly of him tactically, it's clear that he can be difficult to work with and not the best communicator. He's said that he had players like Eto'o lined up, but Levy wouldn't give him the money, so he had to make do with frees like Poyet and Sheringham. Suspect the truth's somewhere in the middle, either way, it was sad given the love he had from the fans.

 

[buckley]

The Eto'o deal was scuppered by Pleat along with a few others this is by Glens own voice at one of those "meet the Players " evenings .
I believe that Sugar and Levy gave Pleat too much say and influence that he did not deserve.
Because he got Dele right does not correct the many players that he vetoed the signing of and others with better memories will inform you of the names he vetoed.

 

[Hercules]

The Eto'o deal was scuppered by Pleat along with a few others this is by Glens own voice at one of those "meet the Players " evenings .
I believe that Sugar and Levy gave Pleat too much say and influence that he did not deserve.
Because he got Dele right does not correct the many players that he vetoed the signing of and others with better memories will inform you of the names he vetoed.

Correct!

 

[Jonboy]

Just to clear something up once and for all.....

@Jonboy

You typed the following :

Forums are for discussion and opinions
I have not felt offended by anything said and equally hope I’ve not offended anyone else.
But I stand by my opinion wholeheartedly, whilst respecting others.
Someone put me on ignore for this conversation? I mean come on

Here are some of your replies to me during our 'conversation'...

Shut up Would you swap Poch for Harry No I didn’t think so/End of conversation, because you say so?
Arrogance is not a quality mate/Krule you can just chat about this like adults instead of neg repping every comment you big girl
You keep saying the end etc yet can’t resist a neg rep/THE END (Only joking, only muppets do that)/Out of 1500 posts , you’ve neg repped me more than anyone ever Congratulations you remind me of my 6 year old/Like I said Remind me of my 6 year old/Arrogance is writing THE END after your post mate

It was obvious that we were always going to clash concerning Harry's tenure as manager so to continue was unproductive and probably boring to our members when reading.It was also not relevant to the Thread title for which I apologise to all. When two people are conversing and one of them decides not to speak on the subject matter any more then whatever you may think that is the end of the discussion, not arrogance at all... just letting you know I felt there was no more to say and best to move on. I tried to do so by posting :
The great fallacy is that the game is first and last about winning. It is nothing of the kind. The game is about glory, it is about doing things in style and with a flourish, about going out and beating the other lot, not waiting for them to die of boredom.”
I believe Harry gave me that as a manager...you don't....end of.

You referred to that as arrogant so I finally printed....It's not arrogance at all ..it's a friendly way of saying we shall obviously never agree on the subject so it's pointless to continue the debate. Why take such an aggressive stance ?? The End.

I do not consider myself 'offensive' in either of those postings.

I have removed you from 'Ignore' because I quite enjoy reading your postings and hope that any further 'discussions' we may have can take place in a little more civilised fashion.

For Your Information :
You keep referring to 'neg repping' which I assume means giving negative reply ratings to your postings.You have received 8 negative ratings in total and given out 24. During this thread's revival you have received just one negative rating from a member and that wasn't me, I have never given you a negative one.

Olive branch duly offered........

Thanks mate
I agree 100% after all we are all on the same side
I appreciate your opinion also
Forgive and forget
COYS

 

[Locotoro]

Thanks mate
I agree 100% after all we are all on the same side
I appreciate your opinion also
Forgive and forget
COYS

Ooooooh, but did you hear what he said about your mama!!!
Fight, fight, fight...

 

[Locotoro]

@Krule , come on man you lost your sense of humour. It was a joke

 

['O Zio]

This is why Harry gets away with so much of the unpfrofessional shit he’s done in his career. You can’t blame him, guv. Yes, I fucking can.

I’d have had no problem if he’d have taken the England job after the season finished, got his head down and been professional, had some fucking pride in his work, but no, he was all about England, and let us slide away.

Glad Levy fired his ass. The night Chelsea won the CL was one of my worst as a Spurs fan.

Spot on. I'm the same as you, I don't begrudge him wanting to move on to the England job, for someone like him that would be the absolute cherry on the cake of his career so fair play. But what we absolutely can blame him for is his lack of professionalism constantly making sure everyone and their dog knew he was throwing his hat in the ring for the job, taking his eye off the ball and allowing our up to that point brilliant form to slip away. He should've answered the speculation once, saying it was an honour to be linked with the job but right now he's got a job to do at Spurs so needs to focus on that, and then refused to answer any more questions about it. THat's that. Instead he whored himself around to everyone who'd listen and seemed to be utterly convinced he'd got the England job so didn't put the effort in at Spurs any more as he thought he was off anyway.

He did a good job with us, there's no denying that, but at the end he completely disrespected the club, the fans, and Levy and ultimately paid the price for it.

 

[beats1]

Personally I think sherwood gets a lot of undeserved stick

He did clean up a lot of AVB's mess and Poch pretty much agreed on his assessment of a lot of players that were in that squad

A lot of the players dropped under sherwood ended up being trouble makers later on

Im not saying he would have been good further on, im just saying he was necessary before Poch came in and cleanse the crap that AVB was doing

 

[pook]

My memory isn't what it used to be, but if I recall correctly, what went wrong after Harry's 'head was turned' by England was basically that Defoe, Adebayor, and Saha went ice cold throughout March and April. We played decent stuff throughout, and our forwards had chances every week - they just blew 'em.

Had they been merely adequate, we'd've cruised to 3rd - and 2nd was never on.

Ok, I've just had a look. In the nine games of April/May we dropped points in all but two. In those same nine games, we conceded a total of nine goals - the 1/game average being better than our season's overall pct (41 in 38). In those same nine games, we scored a total of eight (compared to 58 in the other 30 games). So it was definitely in attack where things went wrong - it's not as though we 'lost our shape'. Now, I love Defoe, so I don't mean to scapegoat him, but I seem to remember him missing chance after chance during that stretch - and Adebayor a fair few, as well. Unless my memory's shot, the chances were there - we just didn't take them.

The fact that this happened during the England speculation and Harry getting the blame for our form always seemed like adding 2+2 and coming up with 5 to me. Am I wrong? Were we really bad? Or did our striker just go cold?

 

[Matthew Wyatt]

He’ll be having a good moan with our old friend BC, also late of this parish. How we’ve moved on.

 

[spurs9]

Personally I think sherwood gets a lot of undeserved stick

He did clean up a lot of AVB's mess and Poch pretty much agreed on his assessment of a lot of players that were in that squad

A lot of the players dropped under sherwood ended up being trouble makers later on

Im not saying he would have been good further on, im just saying he was necessary before Poch came in and cleanse the crap that AVB was doing

You're not rembering that right. Only Capoue and Soldado were dropped by Sherwood and only Capoue was deemed a trouble maker later on.

Ade was the main man for Sherwood and the other "trouble makers" Lennon and Kaboul, played whenever they were fit for Tim.

Paulinho and Chiriches were also regulars under Tim but gotten rid of by Poch, but weren't considered trouble makers.

The only thing Sherwood did to help Poch was integrate Kane and Bentaleb but looking at Mason, I Suspect there roles in Poch's side would have been the same anyway.

Let's not forget Sherwood wanted rid of Verts, who has been our best CB under Poch.

 

[mill]

He’ll be having a good moan with our old friend BC, also late of this parish. How we’ve moved on.

This thread would be even funnier it bc was still on here, we could’ve heard how avb’s football was the stuff dreams are made of and how hitler ain’t got shit on sherwood in terms of pure evil