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VAR (Video Assistant Referee)

Good for the game?.

  • Yes

    Votes: 42 30.7%
  • No

    Votes: 95 69.3%

  • Total voters
    137

punkisback

Well-Known Member
Apr 10, 2004
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Var shouldn't be there to overrule the referee's call. It should be used for things that he hasn't spotted such as an offside or in the case of the Henry blatant handball against Ireland. If you're using it to dispute a foul its more a matter of opinion rather than law.
 

Hazelton

Unknown Member
Jul 11, 2011
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19,292
The problem last night was that Tierney used it for literally every decision, he didn't make any decisions based purely on his own judgement. The game was so stop-start as a result and, what's worse, I think all of the big decisions were wrong. Llorente's goal should've counted, Lucas should've had a penalty, Trippier was fouled outside of the box, and Son should've been made to retake. It was a farce.
 

NickHSpurs

Well-Known Member
Mar 14, 2004
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11,875
I'm pleased I went last night in the end because it meant I got to experience what VAR is like in the stadium.

There's a lot of work to be done with it before it should be considered. The most important thing is letting the fans in the stadium know what's going on using the big screens, nobody had a clue what was happening. If they did that the right way it could even add to the atmosphere building up to the decision.

It obviously needs to be more fluid and quicker decisions made, maybe even limit the amount of them per game/half and making more clear exactly what it can be used for.
 

spursfan77

Well-Known Member
Aug 13, 2005
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The problem last night was that Tierney used it for literally every decision, he didn't make any decisions based purely on his own judgement. The game was so stop-start as a result and, what's worse, I think all of the big decisions were wrong. Llorente's goal should've counted, Lucas should've had a penalty, Trippier was fouled outside of the box, and Son should've been made to retake. It was a farce.

Thats what will happen though with weak refs who dont have 100% confidence in their own ability
 

Cornpattbuck

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Jul 23, 2013
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The problem last night was that Tierney used it for literally every decision, he didn't make any decisions based purely on his own judgement. The game was so stop-start as a result and, what's worse, I think all of the big decisions were wrong. Llorente's goal should've counted, Lucas should've had a penalty, Trippier was fouled outside of the box, and Son should've been made to retake. It was a farce.

Yup, I can't even remember any of the Rochdale players claiming anything on the first goal, for instance. At least it should come down to having a number of challenges each match etc, rather than every decision being looked at.
 

nailsy

SC Supporter
Jul 24, 2005
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What didn’t they get right? Llorente did grab the guys shirt, we did get a penalty and Son did make the most exaggerated stop I’ve seen for a while (even if I have seen others pause briefly).

The idea is, eventually, players will stop doing stupid shit because they know they won’t get away with it, and long term it should improve the game.

It’s in its infancy and it needs to evolve, the process needs finessing and football and fans will need to evolve with it, embrace it.

Or stop whining about refs mistakes and leave it he game open to undue influence, human error, bias and at worst, corruption.

Disallowing the first goal was a mistake if you ask me. It wasn't a clear an obvious error as both players were push and pulling each other. That decision could have gone either way.
 

Bus-Conductor

SC Supporter
Oct 19, 2004
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Disallowing the first goal was a mistake if you ask me. It wasn't a clear an obvious error as both players were push and pulling each other. That decision could have gone either way.

Yeah but once you accept Llorente grabbed their guy you kind of have to accept that chalking it off isn’t wrong. Just a bit unlucky.
 

jonnyrotten

SC Supporter
Aug 16, 2006
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Brilliant news that VAR is definitely not being used in next season's champions league. Couple of premier league chairmen coming out against it (Stoke and Palace). Only need 7 premier league clubs to vote against it next month, i hope that after last night's showing Daniel is one of them. Football is a flowing, emotional game full of grey areas and opinions. This kind of technology isn't suited to it.
 

VegasII

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May 14, 2008
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VAR Humbug!

We just need goal line technology...let the refs fuck everything else up the same way they've always been doing.
 

jimbo

Cabbages
Dec 22, 2003
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7,435
If we're going to have video technology then it should be used in a similar way to the goal line decision system. You have a second ref watching the game on TV and if the match ref makes an absolute ricket then he gets buzzed. The rest of the time he just officiates the match.
It should not come in if there is any ambiguity or subjectivity to a decision, in those situations the original call stands. Make it so the ref can't consult it or call on it so players won't ask for it and the ref won't rely on it.

  • If a goal is disallowed for offside when it clearly isn't, not marginal, but clearly then buzz the ref and tell him
  • If a goal is awarded that clearly is offside, again not marginal, buzz the ref
  • Forget everything else because you just can't get the level of certainty. Especially with penalties and even more especially with handball, leave those up to the judgement of the ref.

Or just play football and accept that a referee is a human being and mistakes will occasionally happen. Just as with goalkeepers, just as with outfield players, just as with any other person in any walk of life. I think football takes itself far too seriously these days.
 

tony0379

The bald midget has to go!
May 17, 2004
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41,076
You lot wouldn’t be whining if it was in use for last years semi final when Moses dived like a **** would you?
 

SandroClegane

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Jun 27, 2012
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If we're going to have video technology then it should be used in a similar way to the goal line decision system. You have a second ref watching the game on TV and if the match ref makes an absolute ricket then he gets buzzed. The rest of the time he just officiates the match.
It should not come in if there is any ambiguity or subjectivity to a decision, in those situations the original call stands. Make it so the ref can't consult it or call on it so players won't ask for it and the ref won't rely on it.

  • If a goal is disallowed for offside when it clearly isn't, not marginal, but clearly then buzz the ref and tell him
  • If a goal is awarded that clearly is offside, again not marginal, buzz the ref
  • Forget everything else because you just can't get the level of certainty. Especially with penalties and even more especially with handball, leave those up to the judgement of the ref.

Or just play football and accept that a referee is a human being and mistakes will occasionally happen. Just as with goalkeepers, just as with outfield players, just as with any other person in any walk of life. I think football takes itself far too seriously these days.
Pretty sure this is how the MLS has been using it. The video official will buzz the referee if necessary.
 

SugarRay

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Jul 6, 2011
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11,110
To think the first professional game of football was played back in September 1888.

How on earth did the game survive so long without the use of VAR? Crazy really.
 

nicdic

Official SC Padre
Admin
May 8, 2005
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Needs to be used for black and white things. The difficulty otherwise is that it's interpreted differently in different instances.

Offsides on goals. Foul in or out of the area etc.

Not even sure dives should be looked at, because slow motion makes everything look a dive.

Plus it needs to happen so much quicker.

VAR should be great for the game, but it really feels like they're setting this up to fail.
 

worcestersauce

"I'm no optimist I'm just a prisoner of hope
Jan 23, 2006
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45,041
You lot wouldn’t be whining if it was in use for last years semi final when Moses dived like a **** would you?
Why not, everyone saw what he did and they still blamed Son for going to ground so var would have given the penalty, a poor example if you ask me.
I am not a fan of var but I am hoping what is happening now is not var in action it is just testing and that should mean they will learn when it should be used and when it shouldn't.
It should be used to clarify something clear and obvious but it shouldn't be used simply as a second opinion and any player asking the referee to consult var should be booked.
 

Gb160

Well done boys. Good process
Jun 20, 2012
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They need to find a way of letting the game keep its 'moments'...ie goals being scored.
If they continue to review every goal like they are currently, it'll ruin the game, simple as that.
 
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