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Match Threads Tranmere Rovers vs Spurs - Match Thread = FA Cup Round 3

Match Prediction

  • Tranmere Win

    Votes: 2 3.0%
  • Spurs Win

    Votes: 58 86.6%
  • Score Draw

    Votes: 6 9.0%
  • Goalless Draw

    Votes: 1 1.5%

  • Total voters
    67
  • Poll closed .

Spurs 1961

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The reason he brought Kane on though is brilliant. So the crowd can see him. That’s proper football.

Many times in the last couple of seasons I have got tickets for people and the first question they usually ask is about whether they will see Harry Kane. Watching Spurs without him is like watching Barca without Messi or PSG without Neymar and Mbappe. So good on Poch for giving Tranmere fans the chance to see a once in a lifetime English player in their own backyard.
 

Trix

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Many times in the last couple of seasons I have got tickets for people and the first question they usually ask is about whether they will see Harry Kane. Watching Spurs without him is like watching Barca without Messi or PSG without Neymar and Mbappe. So good on Poch for giving Tranmere fans the chance to see a once in a lifetime English player in their own backyard.
He didn't do it for the fans, he did it to keep him sharp. 15-20 minutes will have no physical effect on his performance in a few days time. A goal in his last game however....
 

DCSPUR

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He didn't do it for the fans, he did it to keep him sharp. 15-20 minutes will have no physical effect on his performance in a few days time. A goal in his last game however....
It was respect, respect the people, respect the opponent. They’re not going to have many chances to see Harry Kane play here in a competition like the FA Cup. I think it was a great atmosphere. For different reasons I decide to make a change and put Kane on the pitch but one of them is that It’s important to show respect to the people here so they could see Harry Kane, who is an icon in English football. It is difficult in that division to see it. It was important to see him in action.
Poch via @Allygold
 

chinaman

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It was respect, respect the people, respect the opponent. They’re not going to have many chances to see Harry Kane play here in a competition like the FA Cup. I think it was a great atmosphere. For different reasons I decide to make a change and put Kane on the pitch but one of them is that It’s important to show respect to the people here so they could see Harry Kane, who is an icon in English football. It is difficult in that division to see it. It was important to see him in action.
Poch via @Allygold


How can anyone, fan or foe not respect Poch. There are too few like him not only in football, but in life in general.
 

heelspurs

Le filet mignon est un bastion de rosbif
Jul 25, 2012
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EDIT: Here's the real kicker: On the 30th September this year, Cardiff played Burnley in the Premier League. If you took the stoppages out of the game, do you know how long the ball was actually in play for?

42 minutes.

Of the 90.

Only 47% of the 90 was taken up by actual football.
Sympathetic to your point but this is definitely a case of killing your own argument. I mean who wants to see these shit kickers for longer than 42 minutes? Some would say that a running clock in this particular game is a small mercy.
 

Twizzle

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any links to highlights/goals for those of us down under where it wasn't televised ?
 

allatsea

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Aug 31, 2012
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As anyone already asked but did their No. 5 McNulty (?) come out of retirement for the match ? Never seen a professional footballer in such poor shape. He makes me look fit and lean.

Said to wife as the game started if Spurs make Tranmere run around a lot in the first half they will be knackered for the second half.
 

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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Sympathetic to your point but this is definitely a case of killing your own argument. I mean who wants to see these shit kickers for longer than 42 minutes? Some would say that a running clock in this particular game is a small mercy.
I'm afraid that's a specious argument, HS. You're suggesting that because some teams don't play very well, it's OK that their matches are shorter (even though they're actually not, as I'll detail further down)? So by that rationale, every game that we play in should go on for many hours, yes?

But regardless of how they played, the fans still stood on the terraces for 45 minutes and the IFAB proposal won't alter that. Each half will still take around 45 minutes to complete (unless there are very few stoppages). IFAB analysed 100s of matches to see how long the ball was actually in play in an average game. And it comes to just over 29 minutes or thereabouts. The only thing that they propose is that when the ball goes out of play the clock stops. That's all.

Let me present a hypothetical:

You have a half in which 15 fouls are committed. Each time, the players spend 1 minute preparing for the free-kick.

Under the present system, the clock starts at 0 minutes and runs to 45 minutes. Of those 45 minutes, 15 are spent on preparation for a free kick. So: amount of time ball is in play = 30 minutes. Amount of time players are on the field = 45 minutes. Amount of time the fan spends on the terraces = 45 minutes.

Under the proposed system, the clock starts at 0 and runs to 30. Of the 30 minutes, 0 minutes on the clock are spent on preparation for a free kick. So: amount of time ball is in play = 30 minutes. Amount of time players are on the field is 30 clock minutes playing + 15 non-clock minutes preparation = 45 minutes. Amount of time the fan spends on the terraces is 30 clock minutes playing + 15 non-clock watching preparation = 45 minutes.

So what's the difference?

And going back to your point about the less-attractive teams, this proposal will serve to make the game more attractive. It would cut out things like:
  • Players feigning injury to wind the clock down - remember a grinning David Luiz rolling around at Old Trafford, wasting time to protect Chelsea's 1-0 lead against Man U? Chelsea won that game. 1-0;
  • Players taking decades to walk off the pitch when substituted;
  • Managers making substitutions during stoppage time;
  • Spending ages on throw-ins, free-kicks, goal kicks - remember Joe Hart's antics when we played Burnley?
In that Cardiff-Burnley game, the Bluebirds spent eight minutes of it just on throw-ins. 8 minutes! Earlier this year, a goalie playing for a Romanian team pretended to go for a toilet break before taking a goal kick. He walked towards the toilet, opened the door, put one foot inside and then sprinted back and kicked the ball. Extreme, I'll grant you, but the clock still ran down while he was doing it.

Imagine, you've spent nigh on £100 to go to a game and one of the teams spends close on 10% of it farting about with throw-ins. Wouldn't you feel hard done by? Wouldn't you want a system where the money you spent was to actually watch players playing rather than time-wasting?
 

heelspurs

Le filet mignon est un bastion de rosbif
Jul 25, 2012
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I'm afraid that's a specious argument, HS. You're suggesting that because some teams don't play very well, it's OK that their matches are shorter (even though they're actually not, as I'll detail further down)? So by that rationale, every game that we play in should go on for many hours, yes?

But regardless of how they played, the fans still stood on the terraces for 45 minutes and the IFAB proposal won't alter that. Each half will still take around 45 minutes to complete (unless there are very few stoppages). IFAB analysed 100s of matches to see how long the ball was actually in play in an average game. And it comes to just over 29 minutes or thereabouts. The only thing that they propose is that when the ball goes out of play the clock stops. That's all.

Let me present a hypothetical:

You have a half in which 15 fouls are committed. Each time, the players spend 1 minute preparing for the free-kick.

Under the present system, the clock starts at 0 minutes and runs to 45 minutes. Of those 45 minutes, 15 are spent on preparation for a free kick. So: amount of time ball is in play = 30 minutes. Amount of time players are on the field = 45 minutes. Amount of time the fan spends on the terraces = 45 minutes.

Under the proposed system, the clock starts at 0 and runs to 30. Of the 30 minutes, 0 minutes on the clock are spent on preparation for a free kick. So: amount of time ball is in play = 30 minutes. Amount of time players are on the field is 30 clock minutes playing + 15 non-clock minutes preparation = 45 minutes. Amount of time the fan spends on the terraces is 30 clock minutes playing + 15 non-clock watching preparation = 45 minutes.

So what's the difference?

And going back to your point about the less-attractive teams, this proposal will serve to make the game more attractive. It would cut out things like:
  • Players feigning injury to wind the clock down - remember a grinning David Luiz rolling around at Old Trafford, wasting time to protect Chelsea's 1-0 lead against Man U? Chelsea won that game. 1-0;
  • Players taking decades to walk off the pitch when substituted;
  • Managers making substitutions during stoppage time;
  • Spending ages on throw-ins, free-kicks, goal kicks - remember Joe Hart's antics when we played Burnley?
In that Cardiff-Burnley game, the Bluebirds spent eight minutes of it just on throw-ins. 8 minutes! Earlier this year, a goalie playing for a Romanian team pretended to go for a toilet break before taking a goal kick. He walked towards the toilet, opened the door, put one foot inside and then sprinted back and kicked the ball. Extreme, I'll grant you, but the clock still ran down while he was doing it.

Imagine, you've spent nigh on £100 to go to a game and one of the teams spends close on 10% of it farting about with throw-ins. Wouldn't you feel hard done by? Wouldn't you want a system where the money you spent was to actually watch players playing rather than time-wasting?
Rez you're too good. Twas only tongue-in-cheek FFS.:ROFLMAO::oops::oops::oops: I actually agree with you...already. And when I actually have the mental space I will consume this dissertation. I am sure it is good as most of your posts are...except for the Iran v US WC match stuff. :D
 

TheChosenOne

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Dec 13, 2005
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Lorente's hat trick was good but I have had the Abba song ear worming my skull all night long ....
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"Can you hear the drums Fernando ?"
 

rez9000

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Feb 8, 2007
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Rez you're too good. Twas only tongue-in-cheek FFS.:ROFLMAO::oops::oops::oops: I actually agree with you...already. And when I actually have the mental space I will consume this dissertation. I am sure it is good as most of your posts are...except for the Iran v US WC match stuff. :D
Sorry, chap - didn't pick up on that. My bad. :oops:

I've got a bad case of insomnia - been awake for around 32 hours, so the brain wasn't, and isn't, firing properly.
 
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Three things about yesterday's game that really resonated with me.

Dele's maturity. He didn't just captain the side yesterday, he captained the side, playing deeper than usual and supporting the young players alongside and behind him in a completely unselfish display (at least until Marsh allowed him to go further forward and have some fun). He then gave the consummate post-match interview about the importance of being part of a team. He's suddenly very grown up. And he's still only 22.

Kane's understanding of what football means to the fans. We've argued back and forth on here as to whether Kane should have come on but what really struck me was, how after scoring, he 'shakes' hands with a number of fans behind the goal, goes to pull away and thinks 'no, there's a few more here who would like this too' and just walks along for a few extra seconds, keeping his hand there. It's a small thing, but there are a few fans this morning who will have been absolutely made up by this.

Jesus. Until now, I always assumed that while Poch was giving his post-match interviews, Jesus was in the dressing room, getting warm, congratulating the lads on their performances and entertaining the young'uns with his scary eyes routine. But no, while Mauricio is doing his best to answer Jake's non-questions, understand McManaman's accent and recover from the shock of Harry's newly acquired belief in not spending money for the sake of it, Jesus is freezing his bollocks off twenty yards away, awaiting Poch so that they can return to the dressing room together. They really are a team.

And there really is a lot to love about Tottenham at the moment.

And I've not even mentioned Skipp's assist, the two debuts, the team's obvious love for Llorente, Aurier's hat-trick shot into row Z and Foyth's header while laying on the floor (always guaranteed a big cheer in my household, that particular manoeuvre). All in all, I really enjoyed that game.
 

allatsea

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Aug 31, 2012
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What a footballer Foyth is. He is a world class CD in the making. The only CD I have seen with his footballing skills is Led.ey King. Foyth could almost play anywhere on the field his ball skills are so good. Still a bit rash at the moment but that will be overcome with experience and good coaching.
 
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