Tottenham Vs Aston Villa: Match Thread

[tiger666]

He was shyte, and even Poch as much said, Donovan not allowed to say so now?

You can say what you damn well like but don't come on here strutting about saying you "Give players time" when you post "The guy is absolute shyte. Give him a chance? Yeh, right" after a players been here 3 months.

 

[Bobbins]

I will nail my colours to the mask, that I have had it with Janssen.

Fuck's sake I'm now 99% sure you're trolling

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

Scraped that. I for one really want us to win some silver ware and would rather see fewer changes in the starting line up, say 3 or 4 , get the game won then rest key players. Thought Winks and Sissoko were the bees knees to day and Nocando made a real difference when he came on, would love to see him get some more game time especially in the last 30 mins of games

People really need to lay off Janssen, he's played the equivalent of 10 full games in bits and pieces., he neesd some decent service and a few games of 70 mins + to get his mojo. I would love to see him play alongside Kane and Deli more often and if that happened I think we would see a different player. There is some real shit said on here sometime and an obsession with targeting particular players as scapegoats, as far as I am concerned as long as they are trying and put in effort in a Spurs shirt I will given them my support.

Would love Fulham away in the next round, my second team who are playing some good football at the moment and we usually get a good allocation of tickets.

Finally respect to those fans who went today with the tube strike going on. I had tickets but couldn't go because it would have taken me several hours to get home if at all.

No one on here is "targeting" or making a "scapegoat" of any Spurs player. If you want to go down the line of the amount of game time Janssen has had, GKN has had far, far fewer minutes in the first team (perhaps half a game or so)? and has played well above expectations given that fact.

No one on here from what i have read has said that Janssen does not put the effort in, but he has offered very little (aside from Middlesborough away) in the way of a threat.

I don't doubt that Poch will say that he was hooked through tiredness or that he wanted to alter the shape of the front line but deep down he must be concerned about him.

 

[Gambler]

What I saw was at about the point that the disjointed performance brought about by the wholseale changes everyone was calling for bit, the scapegoat for it was Janssen. I don't think he played that well and was no worse than some but we need to get him staying in the middle a lot more than he does.

Shearer was spot on and obviously knows what he is talking about. Wonder if he's up for some part time coaching work 121 with the big man.

 

[Hercules]

You can say what you damn well like but don't come on here strutting about saying you "Give players time" when you post "The guy is absolute shyte. Give him a chance? Yeh, right" after a players been here 3 months.

And I will say 'what I Damon well like' if in my opinion I have a valid, even if others don't. I never once said we should sell Sissoko, but said he was shyte, just like I did say with Eriksen, and on both it seems the pundits diplomatically said the same at the time.

 

[Hercules]

Fuck's sake I'm now 99% sure you're trolling

 

[Ionman34]

Is this bigger picture to include the wholesale writing off of Sissoko and how that went?

You'd think after that shining example of the expertise on here, people wouldn't be so hasty.

A list of players that were written off by our self appointed experts makes interesting reading;

Vorm - Apparently not good enough as a second choice keeper,
Walker - 2 seasons ago we "apparently" needed to bin him off because he'd never make the grade for a top 4 side,
Rose - why the fuck didn't we sell him to Sunderland when we had the chance was the opinion,
Eriksen - Only shows up against lesser opposition they said, flat track bully they said,
Dier - Will never make it as a DM, MUST be used as a CB.
Kane - Remember his first half a dozen or so games? He'll never make it, Championship player at best,
Lamela - Total waste of money hey?
Sissoko was written off before he'd kicked a ball. A slow start had the "experts" so puffed up they couldn't get through doorways. 4 or 5 assists now isn't it? And he's visibly improving within the collective. Because of this, Janssen is the new whipping boy. The "experts" are wrong about him too, which time will inevitably prove.

 

[tiger666]

And I will say 'what I Damon well like' if in my opinion I have a valid, even if others don't. I never once said we should sell Sissoko, but said he was shyte, just like I did say with Eriksen, and on both it seems the pundits diplomatically said the same at the time.

My fucking hero.

 

[DaleMurphy]

well if the pundits said it too...

 

[Ionman34]

Do you know what "credence" and "spontaneous" mean?

 

[dondo]

He looked fine coming off.

That's what I thought but why take him off instead of ccv or wimmer when the match was still 0-0?

 

[Vincent30]

Nice to see Sissoko put in another good performance this really bodes well for the second half of the season and GKN showing some very nice bits in his cameo, not too absurd to even suggest he could be back up for Rose in the LWB role (just realised he is very right footed playing as an inverted winger so probably unlikely), Davies is by far a better LB back up then LWB. So two of our summer signings coming on very nicely and adding to already Wanyama who has been a powerhouse in the middle of the park.

Janssen will obviously get stick again, tough for him considering he was leading the line in a real poor first half, especially playing off Son as a creative force is difficult. Guy needs some time, i'm willing to give him that and he is still only 22.

Nice victory with major players rested, through to the next round, more minutes for Toby and all of our summer signings showing their worth, bar one. Things could be a hell of a lot worse, this is also with Lamela likely back by next month.

Sissoko or Winks were MOTM for me.

 

[Ionman34]

If he needs Shearer and or a good finishing coach then why the hell did we spend almost twenty million on him?

He's as likely to improve as Soldado did. Giving new players time is all well and good, but i haven't seen any improvement in his game whatsoever and if Poch can't coach him then i can't see someone like Shearer or any other striker coaching guru doing it either.

So because YOU can't see it it'll never happen?

Poch was a defender. As good a coach as he is, he's unlikely to have the answer to every problem, particularly a striking one, as that wasn't his skill set as a player. This is why many clubs send players off to "specialists" to hone particular skills, moreso with strikers.

If having a "guru" improve his movement helps him to score goals, the club would opt for this rather than write him off and take the loss, as improving him would also increase his value at the very worst.

 

[zoneD]

...many of those who unjustly wrote off Sissoko are already anointing Winks as the next Modric...
...Janssen, on the other hand, sucks...
COYS

 

[Ionman34]

You will never find a time when I knock players, even if against my opinion of signing them. I give adequate time. If somebody is not performing people are ready to neg you, imho, with no real reason. Seems you are not allowed to knock their favourites.

So labelling a player "shyte" after what, 6 games, is not knocking them and giving them adequate time?

You sir are a fraud.

 

[thinktank]

That's what I thought but why take him off instead of ccv or wimmer when the match was still 0-0?

Poch must have thought it wasn't much of a risk weighed against him becoming fatigued/injured. Couldn't see anything behind it other than resting him.

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

So because YOU can't see it it'll never happen?

Poch was a defender. As good a coach as he is, he's unlikely to have the answer to every problem, particularly a striking one, as that wasn't his skill set as a player. This is why many clubs send players off to "specialists" to hone particular skills, moreso with strikers.

If having a "guru" improve his movement helps him to score goals, the club would opt for this rather than write him off and take the loss, as improving him would also increase his value at the very worst.

Why not just get the same coach who has Dele scoring seven in four games or the one that had got Kane hitting fifty nine in ninety eight? I guess that would be Poch the defender?

Over the past two seasons the coaching staff have done a remarkable job, but all of a sudden we need a different coach to sort out one player. Perhaps the player needs a different club, environment and to play in a league with less pace and intensity?

Soldado has scored almost as many goals at Villarreal as he did for us in half as many games, and that alone should tell anyone that not every buy we make works out.

 

[dondo]

Poch must have thought it wasn't much of a risk weighed against him becoming fatigued/injured. Couldn't see anything behind it other than resting him.

Hope so would be a big blow if he is injured again

 

[dagraham]

Not long back from the game and only read the last few pages of this thread. Seems to be all about Jansenn and the wholesale changes, but nothing about the formation.

I know we have had some degree of success with 3 at the back, but I can't possibly see the need for 3 CB's to mark Agbonlahor, particularly when they had everyone else behind the ball. In fact we spent most of the game with 6 defenders on the pitch if you count Dier.

Surely Poch must have known that Villa were going to be putting everyone behind the ball? And if he didn't it was painfully obvious after 20 mins that our formation was wrong. Just find it baffling it took 70 mins to change to a back four, and then a minute later we scored.

Doesn't matter as we won the game, but I just found it odd.

 

[KILLA_SIN]

Not long back from the game and only read the last few pages of this thread. Seems to be all about Jansenn and the wholesale changes, but nothing about the formation.

I know we have had some degree of success with 3 at the back, but I can't possibly see the need for 3 CB's to mark Agbonlahor, particularly when they had everyone else behind the ball. In fact we spent most of the game with 6 defenders on the pitch if you count Dier.

Surely Poch must have known that Villa were going to be putting everyone behind the ball? And if he didn't it was painfully obvious after 20 mins that our formation was wrong. Just find it baffling it took 70 mins to change to a back four, and then a minute later we scored.

Doesn't matter as we won the game, but I just found it odd.

He maybe just trying to this new formation ingrained throughout the squad.