Match Threads Tottenham Hotspur vs Liverpool FC

[Deleted member 27995]

That performance was the performance of a weak mentality . It’s like the player knew how tired they were , they’d read the press about Liverpool being favourites and fresher.

We needed a Jose Mourinho type performance today, grind it out .

Harry didn’t even have a shot , he’s not even engineering chances like he used to .

Disappointed and I feel more so for all of our season ticket holders to

Why do people keep saying this? Who gives a fuck, if you have that kind of money and what to fork it out then more power to you, feeling sorry for other people who have that kind of cash ... WTF.

 

[ohh_when_the_spurs]

Most of Liverpool's chances cane from our own doing, we didn't move the ball quick enough, we are crying out for a top draw centre midfield pair who can protect the back 4 and also move the ball forward.

If you combine the qualities of all of our centre midfielders into one player.....that's what we need. And 2 of them before we can be a great team.

Eriksen was so awful today, Dembele looked his age, Dier was just that.

Kane had nothing, the rest were average at best bar Lucas Moura and lamela when he came on.


Not sure how to fix this without spending money

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Most of Liverpool's chances cane from our own doing, we didn't move the ball quick enough, we are crying out for a top draw centre midfield pair who can protect the back 4 and also move the ball forward.

If you combine the qualities of all of our centre midfielders into one player.....that's what we need. And 2 of them before we can be a great team.

Eriksen was so awful today, Dembele looked his age, Dier was just that.

Kane had nothing, the rest were average at best bar Lucas Moura and lamela when he came on.


Not sure how to fix this without spending money

He has three months to figure it out tbh. Might begin with finding a starting eleven and sticking with them.

 

[spursfan77]

Quick mention about the atmosphere at Wembley.

It’s getting worse.

I sit behind the goal in block 135 and the blocks to my right behind the goal are meant to be the ones making the most noise but match after match all they do is stand up and sing absolutely nothing for most of the game.

It can’t be helping the team. The only time there was anything from the fans was after Lucas hit the post and he waved his arms in the air to get the fans going. When a player is doing that you know it’s effecting them and they need our help.

(Quick rant but it’s something that annoyed me last season and now the 2 games at Wembley so far this year. Plus I know the team need to play well to get a response from the crowd but we have to have their backs too).

 

[shelfboy68]

He has three months to figure it out tbh. Might begin with finding a starting eleven and sticking with them.

Possibly although it's strange that he doesn't know his best eleven yet considering he doesn't have the luxury of having to blend new signings in so he doesn't really have much of an excuse there.

 

[hellava_tough]

That performance was the performance of a weak mentality . It’s like the player knew how tired they were , they’d read the press about Liverpool being favourites and fresher.

We needed a Jose Mourinho type performance today, grind it out .

Harry didn’t even have a shot , he’s not even engineering chances like he used to .

Disappointed and I feel more so for all of our season ticket holders to

I'm starting to think that our players are slowly losing their motivation

Lucas will have given them a boost I'm sure, but the fact that other teams have strengthened and we didn't may have led the players to start doubting that they can compete anymore

The squad definitely needs freshening up. It's not about ability; the 25-odd players we have are talented. It's about getting bored and losing focus. It happens to everyone if there isn't a new challenge to be had. I believe that our players don't see a new challenge on the horizon; they don't believe they can win the league and they've already achieved 'top 4' a few times, so they may be thinking "what's the point?"

It's ironic really, that at a time when the club should be entering a new era (new stadium, etc), the whole thing feels a bit stale

 

[shelfboy68]

Can't blame fans for two results where the team can't be bothered or a lacklustre opening few games where the team have barely performed, or a manager that seems not to know what his best eleven is or when to make the right substitutions all that is not at the feet of the fan's not at all.

 

[lis spur]

Most people were buying into the 'Look see' vibe after the Utd game and now are running down the 'we should have strengthened avenue.
Erikesen aint ticking in there (was great for Denmark last week ) and Kane has been bloody awful for months(England as well).
The answer lies with Poch grow a seat and change the formation .Also do the unthinkable and drop Harry for the next two games ,both away were pace on the counter will be important.

 

[Diarmuid]

That is a terrible and embarrassing stat and shows how they have leapt forward while we go backwards and now I look forward to our CL campaign for the short time that lasts.

Ya.. things could go very sour if we lose out first game midweek.. wouldn't be suprised to start hearing rumours about trouble in the camp. Pochettino cannot be happy with the players or Levy.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Most people were buying into the 'Look see' vibe after the Utd game and now are running down the 'we should have strengthened avenue.
Erikesen aint ticking in there (was great for Denmark last week ) and Kane has been bloody awful for months(England as well).
The answer lies with Poch grow a seat and change the formation .Also do the unthinkable and drop Harry for the next two games ,both away were pace on the counter will be important.

It’s been mentioned a few times; Son and Lamela need to be given a few starts now to freshen things up. I’d like to see us back to a 4231, working the press and controlling possession. Kane and Alli need a rest- I know Alli is being rested through injury but we should look to ease him back; he’s had two muscle injuries in the last ten or so games (including England performances). This gives Eriksen a chance to find form in a system that he’s always worked well in. I’d drop Dier too, and give big Vic a few games to see if he can also rediscover form. Hopefully Winks will integrate in the double pivot role to alleviate the pressure on what looks like a knackered Dembele.

 

[spurs mental]

Been lying awake here this morning for about an hour trying to figure out what exactly I watched yesterday. Still can't quite come to any conclusion.

But, and this may or may not make sense, does anyone else think that this might be our usual mid season (Novemberish) slump coming earlier than normal? The last two performances are not dissimilar to the ones we had last year between the end of November and start of December.

Or is it just me clutching at straws?

 

[Sweetsman]

Yes we were so sloppy today. We have been a lot this season. Blame it on tiredness or whatever you want but we didn’t make any additions and that has not only affected our strength and depth but also meant the ‘undroppables’ like Eriksen and Alli even Dembele (who I love) have to start.

All this talk of Cook, we should be going all out to sign the likes of Zaha. Star signings who will instantly get in the team and move us forward. It didn’t happen because Levy wouldn’t pay. We were the only club he wanted to go to because of Poch but it didn’t happen.

Where did you get this info, because all I heard was that he wanted to stay at CP?

 

[UbeAstard]

Long term view for me instead of all the OTT complaining. Possibly the best signing the club has ever made is due to debut in a few weeks. The new stadium. The costs spiralled above what was expected and would impact on spending money. In a real world when something like that happens in your household with your money, maybe its easier to understand and stop whinging about the transfer window.

 

[rossdapep]

Most of Liverpool's chances cane from our own doing, we didn't move the ball quick enough, we are crying out for a top draw centre midfield pair who can protect the back 4 and also move the ball forward.

If you combine the qualities of all of our centre midfielders into one player.....that's what we need. And 2 of them before we can be a great team.

Eriksen was so awful today, Dembele looked his age, Dier was just that.

Kane had nothing, the rest were average at best bar Lucas Moura and lamela when he came on.


Not sure how to fix this without spending money

The only realistic way of fixing it at this point is to get Wanyama and Winks together in a run of games and hope that they can build up their form and return to their best.

The centre midfield is arguably the most important aspect in your team; weak midfield = no protection for the defence, lack of technical passers = no transition from mid to attack.

Unfortunately, due to our lack of urgency in the transfer window and our unwillingness to sort it out we have to put our faith in a player who has been injured for well over a year and may not return to his best - considering how average he was last season - (Wanyama) and a young midfielder who has had a serious injury that may have a huge psychological effect on him (Winks), not to mention a player who still needs to develop. Add in a player that we were close to losing in the summer and can no longer trust in back-to-back games (Dembele).

If we were to line up against Chelsea tomorrow or in the coming weeks I would have absolutely no faith that we would win the battle in the middle of the pitch. Considering we have been so strong there over the last three seasons and it's the base that has allowed us to flourish I find it extremely deflating and amateurish behaviour that we did absolutely nothing to rectify it.

Over the last few months the club have made so many bad decisions on and off the pitch, from a very healthy and positive position too. Add in the fact that the players seem to be struggling for desire or energy and it takes quite a lot of pride out of everything.

 

[1882andallthat]

Like many, I was disappointed by our performance yesterday and the manner in which we lost, we made it far too easy for them.
What really annoys me on the other side of the coin though is that many of the dickhead pundits can't help themselves with their fawning over Liverpool they are desperate to claim they are a team of all conquering World beaters, the finished article. In my opinion they are not.

Let's look at the facts from yesterday's game, they were not far superior to us yesterday in the way they played on their own merit. I would say that at least 60-70% of the clear goal scoring chances they created from yesterday's game which they didn't take were far more down to our own unforced errors and sloppy passing at the back, rather than from their creative and quick play. In conclusion we gifted them far more chances than they actually created in open play.

Then lets look at the fine margins, they were slender and could have gone either way. Their first only just crept over the line, and was nearly credited as being a great save by Vorm, and it was created because Eriksen played the ball back into trouble when having the opportunity to clear it which led to the corner in the first place.
I have also looked again at the penalty claim, after coming home from the game, we could and should have been awarded a late penalty because Mane didn't get the ball, the Sky commetators were again quick to slate Son for not shooting earlier and the followed it up by claiming it was great Liverpool closing down. I admit it would have been a 2-2 draw that we didn't deserve, but it was a clear penalty. Will you hear me bang on about it like they did on the RAWK site 6 months after the event? No.

Yes they came out of the blocks flying to their credit and we were a tad fortunate to still be on level terms after 5 mins, but world beaters they are not.

I still maintain that the jury is out on Liverpool and they have yet to be severely tested at the back, only then will we truly find out if they are in the Barcelona bracket that the press claim they are already in. When we put them under pressure in the last 5 mins of the game they buckled, exactly like they did so often last season, and the facts and replays show that they conceded one goal and a clear penalty in the space of injury time alone.

If Lamela has scored that goal on 80mins instead of in the 92-93 min and we'd had a go at them for 10 mins plus injury time as we did for the last 5 mins of the game it would have been very interesting to see how well Liverpool could have stood up to that. That's why in conclusion I'm frustrated because we didn't ask them enough questions over sustained periods.

Yes Liverpool deserved to win, but this press/media hyped Liverpool love fest is pathetic, biased and frankly embarrassing.

 

[shelfboy68]

Been lying awake here this morning for about an hour trying to figure out what exactly I watched yesterday. Still can't quite come to any conclusion.

But, and this may or may not make sense, does anyone else think that this might be our usual mid season (Novemberish) slump coming earlier than normal? The last two performances are not dissimilar to the ones we had last year between the end of November and start of December.

Or is it just me clutching at straws?

Clutching at straws mate I think we are in for a very difficult season with bad decisions made at the top combined with most if not all the players out of form, then throw in the delays over the stadium opening and it all adds up to one of frustrationand huge disappointment.
We might come back another year but the club needs to back the manager properly but in between we may lose some of our best players if they want to win things of course.

 

[rossdapep]

Long term view for me instead of all the OTT complaining. Possibly the best signing the club has ever made is due to debut in a few weeks. The new stadium. The costs spiralled above what was expected and would impact on spending money. In a real world when something like that happens in your household with your money, maybe its easier to understand and stop whinging about the transfer window.

Whilst I agree that the long term view should be noted and taken into account, I also feel that we have been completely negligent in regards to the playing staff.

Let's say we continue to struggle this season and end up 5th or 6th, is it the end of the world? No.

But what are the consequences? Poch decides that he has taken us as far as he can and believes he won't ever be able to compete with the big guns so in order to do so needs to join one? Eriksen decides that he wants to win something as another year of his life has gone by without competing and packs off to Real? Kane, having seen his manager and the club's other talisman leave, ponders for the first time can he really win stuff at the club? Toby, knowing he has the upper hand, leaves?

Now that may sound a little too far but I do believe that one of these things happening can act as the catalyst for this club to take more steps backwards. Considering we were probably in the best situation we have ever been in (in my lifetime), to fall from here without winning anything will be extremely demoralising.

Yes, the club will still be here, we will have this fantastic stadium and we'll have many other times to look forward to but you can't help but feel saddened when other clubs (that you've been ahead of for the last few years) start to surpass you, knowing that if you had been more proactive it wouldn't have come to this.

 

[shelfboy68]

Like many, I was disappointed by our performance yesterday and the manner in which we lost, we made it far too easy for them.
What really annoys me on the other side of the coin though is that many of the dickhead pundits can't help themselves with their fawning over Liverpool they are desperate to claim they are a team of all conquering World beaters, the finished article. In my opinion they are not.

Let's look at the facts from yesterday's game, they were no far superior to us yesterday in the way they played on their own merit. I would say that at least 60-70% of the clear goal scoring chances they created from yesterday's game which they didn't take were far more down to our own unforced errors and sloppy passing at the back, rather than from their creative and quick play. In conclusion we gifted them far more chances than they actually created in open play.

Then lets look at the fine margins, they were slender and could have gone either way. Their first only just crept over the line, and was nearly credited as being a great save by Vorm, and it was created because Eriksen played the ball back into trouble when having the opportunity to clear it which led to the corner in the first place.
I have also looked again at the penalty claim, after coming home from the game, we could and should have been awarded a late penalty because Mane didn't get the ball, the Sky commetators were again quick to slate Son for not shooting earlier and the followed it up by claiming it was great Liverpool closing down. I admit it would have been a 2-2 draw that we didn't deserve, but it was a clear penalty. Will you hear me bang on about it like they did on the RAWK site 6 months after the event? No.

Yes they came out of the blocks flying to their credit and we were a tad fortunate to still be on level terms after 5 mins, but world beaters they are not.

I still maintain that the jury is out on Liverpool and they have yet to be severely tested at the back, only then will we truly find out if they are in the Barcelona bracket that the press claim they are already in. When we put them under pressure in the last 5 mins of the game they buckled, exactly like they did so often last season, and the facts and replays show that they conceded one goal and a clear penalty in the space of injury time alone.

If Lamela has scored that goal on 80mins indra of in the 92-93 min and we'd had a go at them for 10 mins plus injury time as we did for the last 5 mins of the game it would have been very interesting to see how well Liverpool could have stood up to that. That's why in conclusion I'm frustrated because we didn't ask them enough questions over sustained periods.

Yes Liverpool deserved to win, but this press/media hyped Liverpool love fest is pathetic, biased and frankly embarrassing.

Liverpool media have always been the same but now they finally have a team to shout about and have moved forwards unlike us who have stood still, they will probably win something big this year where as we will continue on the path of potless.

 

[shelfboy68]

Whilst I agree that the long term view should be noted and taken into account, I also feel that we have been completely negligent in regards to the playing staff.

Let's say we continue to struggle this season and end up 5th or 6th, is it the end of the world? No.

But what are the consequences? Poch decides that he has taken us as far as he can and believes he won't ever be able to compete with the big guns so in order to do so needs to join one? Eriksen decides that he wants to win something as another year of his life has gone by without competing and packs off to Real? Kane, having seen his manager and the club's other talisman leave, ponders for the first time can he really win stuff at the club? Toby, knowing he has the upper hand, leaves?

Now that may sound a little too far but I do believe that one of these things happening can act as the catalyst for this club to take more steps backwards. Considering we were probably in the best situation we have ever been in (in my lifetime), to fall from here without winning anything will be extremely demoralising.

Yes, the club will still be here, we will have this fantastic stadium and we'll have many other times to look forward to but you can't help but feel saddened when other clubs (that you've been ahead of for the last few years) start to surpass you, knowing that if you had been more proactive it wouldn't have come to this.

Agree not to push on from such a strong position is and was a scandalous decision but levy knows best so we have to trust him that the decision he took not to invest in the squad will pay off in the long run, I have my doubts about it and I think the players also along with the manager suspect the same.

 

[rossdapep]

Like many, I was disappointed by our performance yesterday and the manner in which we lost, we made it far too easy for them.
What really annoys me on the other side of the coin though is that many of the dickhead pundits can't help themselves with their fawning over Liverpool they are desperate to claim they are a team of all conquering World beaters, the finished article. In my opinion they are not.

Let's look at the facts from yesterday's game, they were not far superior to us yesterday in the way they played on their own merit. I would say that at least 60-70% of the clear goal scoring chances they created from yesterday's game which they didn't take were far more down to our own unforced errors and sloppy passing at the back, rather than from their creative and quick play. In conclusion we gifted them far more chances than they actually created in open play.

Then lets look at the fine margins, they were slender and could have gone either way. Their first only just crept over the line, and was nearly credited as being a great save by Vorm, and it was created because Eriksen played the ball back into trouble when having the opportunity to clear it which led to the corner in the first place.
I have also looked again at the penalty claim, after coming home from the game, we could and should have been awarded a late penalty because Mane didn't get the ball, the Sky commetators were again quick to slate Son for not shooting earlier and the followed it up by claiming it was great Liverpool closing down. I admit it would have been a 2-2 draw that we didn't deserve, but it was a clear penalty. Will you hear me bang on about it like they did on the RAWK site 6 months after the event? No.

Yes they came out of the blocks flying to their credit and we were a tad fortunate to still be on level terms after 5 mins, but world beaters they are not.

I still maintain that the jury is out on Liverpool and they have yet to be severely tested at the back, only then will we truly find out if they are in the Barcelona bracket that the press claim they are already in. When we put them under pressure in the last 5 mins of the game they buckled, exactly like they did so often last season, and the facts and replays show that they conceded one goal and a clear penalty in the space of injury time alone.

If Lamela has scored that goal on 80mins instead of in the 92-93 min and we'd had a go at them for 10 mins plus injury time as we did for the last 5 mins of the game it would have been very interesting to see how well Liverpool could have stood up to that. That's why in conclusion I'm frustrated because we didn't ask them enough questions over sustained periods.

Yes Liverpool deserved to win, but this press/media hyped Liverpool love fest is pathetic, biased and frankly embarrassing.

I've stopped paying attention to what fans and pundits of other clubs have to say, it's better to just ignore them as they do tend to go OTT and gloss over things.

Having said that, what does that say about us? Liverpool weren't great but still beat us! And it could have been worse!