Timo Werner

[allatsea]

True, but you have to appreciate we are working to a budget.

People really need to start listening to what he says instead of just lumping the blame on Levy all the time. He's very clear on what/who he wants and does not want others if his preferred targets are unobtainable. That said Werner has been on the radar for quite a while. If we can agree a fee(big if because they want an awful lot) then it's one we will do.

Thanks Trix !

 

[Ghost Hardware]

That said Werner has been on the radar for quite a while. If we can agree a fee(big if because they want an awful lot) then it's one we will do.

This is exactly why I think we won't sign him this window. Considering their league position, if they sell him now they risk giving up their CL hopes. It would be like us selling Eriksen now. It would have to be a very big fee.

 

[SpartanSpur]

True, but you have to appreciate we are working to a budget.

People really need to start listening to what he says instead of just lumping the blame on Levy all the time. He's very clear on what/who he wants and does not want others if his preferred targets are unobtainable. That said Werner has been on the radar for quite a while. If we can agree a fee(big if because they want an awful lot) then it's one we will do.

I do think this is an interesting thing to consider. He is clearly very fussy now and I worry if he ends up cutting off his nose to spite his face. It's all well and good putting faith in Llorente, Skipp, etc... stepping up but if things go wrong over the next 6 months Poch will be unhappy, even if it was his call, which is dangerous with Utd and RM sniffing around.

Everything crossed Levy can agree a deal on one of his favoured targets over the next 2 weeks!

The frustrating thing now is that where we are now plan Cs and Ds are a lot better players than in the Stambouli's and Nkoudou's of the past!

 

[morris25]

If you have a defined list of who you want you have to over pay to get them like Liverpool do, you can't low ball them, we are in the weak position. It's OK identifying young promising players that everybody wants but you need to offer more than others

 

[Gbspurs]

True, but you have to appreciate we are working to a budget.

True but it's difficult to appreciate as we appear to waiver between having no money and having £150m and various stages in between.

I appreciate the club won't make this public but exactly what we are playing with varies even from ITK to ITK.

 

[Trix]

True but it's difficult to appreciate as we appear to waiver between having no money and having £150m and various stages in between.

I appreciate the club won't make this public but exactly what we are playing with varies even from ITK to ITK.

Of course my own opinion is there is no set amount just a ball park figure that is somewhat flexible. That said I'm sure £70 mil+ for Werner would undoubtedly have a knock on affect to who else we'd be able to bring in, and we are desperate for a CM as well. Personally I think this is a problem for DL and he will no doubt be trying to work in both players for the money we have available which could well cost us getting either.

DL has his flaws but they are by no means the only reason we don't sign players.

 

[dirtyh]

that's a great point and probably one that's been our issue for a while now. would we prefer cover in both required positions at tier 2 level or only 1 but with a tier 1 player, leaving us short in the other?

balances with who's available of course but i'd always go for the tier 1 option. thanks for the info as always trix.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Of course my own opinion is there is no set amount just a ball park figure that is somewhat flexible. That said I'm sure £70 mil+ for Werner would undoubtedly have a knock on affect to who else we'd be able to bring in, and we are desperate for a CM as well. Personally I think this is a problem for DL and he will no doubt be trying to work in both players for the money we have available which could well cost us getting either.

DL has his flaws but they are by no means the only reason we don't sign players.

Does sound like a feasible situation. If it came down down to say Werner vs Ndombele at £70m each I'd go for the latter. That said I'd rather us get any gettable top target while we can and for us to be creative on the other position based on budget, than missing out altogether.

 

[mattyspurs]

True, but you have to appreciate we are working to a budget.

People really need to start listening to what he says instead of just lumping the blame on Levy all the time. He's very clear on what/who he wants and does not want others if his preferred targets are unobtainable. That said Werner has been on the radar for quite a while. If we can agree a fee(big if because they want an awful lot) then it's one we will do.

That bit of your post will go over the heads of so many posters on here.

 

[Gbspurs]

Does sound like a feasible situation. If it came down down to say Werner vs Ndombele at £70m each I'd go for the latter. That said I'd rather us get any gettable top target while we can and for us to be creative on the other position based on budget, than missing out altogether.

I think its too simplistic to see it that way. All the word was that we had a budget last summer. We didn't buy anyone and im of the opinion its because none of our targets were achievable (its clear we have changed tactics from squad building to only adding quality).

So if one of our targets becomes free in January we should have the budget for that, as well as having the budget intact for the summer. £70mish a year isnt an unreasonable budget for a team of our standing.

 

[dfree]

Of course my own opinion is there is no set amount just a ball park figure that is somewhat flexible. That said I'm sure £70 mil+ for Werner would undoubtedly have a knock on affect to who else we'd be able to bring in, and we are desperate for a CM as well. Personally I think this is a problem for DL and he will no doubt be trying to work in both players for the money we have available which could well cost us getting either.

DL has his flaws but they are by no means the only reason we don't sign players.

Seeing as they've already come out and said he's being sold either now or in the summer if he doesn't renew his contract, surely he won't be ridiculously expensive

 

[eddiev14]

Of course my own opinion is there is no set amount just a ball park figure that is somewhat flexible. That said I'm sure £70 mil+ for Werner would undoubtedly have a knock on affect to who else we'd be able to bring in, and we are desperate for a CM as well. Personally I think this is a problem for DL and he will no doubt be trying to work in both players for the money we have available which could well cost us getting either.

DL has his flaws but they are by no means the only reason we don't sign players.

In the past I always would respond to this with 'ok, but how much will not qualifying for the Champions League cost us?'.

However, I then looked at the numbers for last season and it seems we earned circa £24m for our achievements.

In the past, when £24m would buy you a top tier player this money was so crucial.

However, now I look at it and think, ok it makes a difference but it's still only a third of what clubs are demanding for their top tier players.

I'd be more worried about that money not going towards better wages to keep the likes of Kane, Alli, Eriksen etc at the club, but it kinda shows how crazy the market is if the Champions League revenue can't even get you a good player nowadays.

 

[daryl hannah]

Of course my own opinion is there is no set amount just a ball park figure that is somewhat flexible. That said I'm sure £70 mil+ for Werner would undoubtedly have a knock on affect to who else we'd be able to bring in, and we are desperate for a CM as well. Personally I think this is a problem for DL and he will no doubt be trying to work in both players for the money we have available which could well cost us getting either.

DL has his flaws but they are by no means the only reason we don't sign players.

The gripe for many of us is that not many of the rest of the top 6 seem to have these problems.

Do we really have to qualify for the CL 4 years in a row, just to bring in 2 players?

What was our profit margin at last set of accounts? (£60m?)

 

[SpartanSpur]

In the past I always would respond to this with 'ok, but how much will not qualifying for the Champions League cost us?'.

However, I then looked at the numbers for last season and it seems we earned circa £24m for our achievements.

In the past, when £24m would buy you a top tier player this money was so crucial.

However, now I look at it and think, ok it makes a difference but it's still only a third of what clubs are demanding for their top tier players.

I'd be more worried about that money not going towards better wages to keep the likes of Kane, Alli, Eriksen etc at the club, but it kinda shows how crazy the market is if the Champions League revenue can't even get you a good player nowadays.

I'm sure I read something the other day that had us earning over £50m last season, and that's not including probable bonuses from sponsors for qualifying.

 

[viktorviktor]

In the past I always would respond to this with 'ok, but how much will not qualifying for the Champions League cost us?'.

However, I then looked at the numbers for last season and it seems we earned circa £24m for our achievements.

In the past, when £24m would buy you a top tier player this money was so crucial.

However, now I look at it and think, ok it makes a difference but it's still only a third of what clubs are demanding for their top tier players.

I'd be more worried about that money not going towards better wages to keep the likes of Kane, Alli, Eriksen etc at the club, but it kinda shows how crazy the market is if the Champions League revenue can't even get you a good player nowadays.

CL is much, much more important than the earnings from playing in it. It has a knock on effect on marketing deals, on player transfers and on attendance at our new stadium.

 

[joelstinton14]

The gripe for many of us is that not many of the rest of the top 6 seem to have these problems.

Do we really have to qualify for the CL 4 years in a row, just to bring in 2 players?

What was our profit margin at last set of accounts? (£60m?)

It's perception though, because they do. Mourinho and Sarri spent all summer complaining they couldn't get the players they wanted. Emery has come out and said they can only loan players this January.

It just isn't us.

 

[Westmorlandspur]

If we pay £70m for a player like Werner we need our heads look8ng at. Far better spent on a top CM. Werner’s stats look good but he didn’t look very good at all in the World Cup .

 

[Trix]

Seeing as they've already come out and said he's being sold either now or in the summer if he doesn't renew his contract, surely he won't be ridiculously expensive

Aha bit this is the VVD buy him immediately price that so many think we should just pay. That's why it's not a reality for us because as you say his contract doesn't reflect this price. So buy him today and chew into your other funds or wait and negotiate possibly 10-20 mil off that price. Hence why I said earlier in the thread there would need to be movement from both sides to get this done.

 

[Trix]

The gripe for many of us is that not many of the rest of the top 6 seem to have these problems.

Do we really have to qualify for the CL 4 years in a row, just to bring in 2 players?

What was our profit margin at last set of accounts? (£60m?)

And how much over budget is the stadium?

 

[daryl hannah]

It's perception though, because they do. Mourinho and Sarri spent all summer complaining they couldn't get the players they wanted. Emery has come out and said they can only loan players this January.

It just isn't us.

Trix mentioned we have to be mindful of the budget - as well as whether a player wants to come to us or a club wants to sell and whatever else.

My point was about qualifying for CL 3 / 4 years in a row and still not being able to afford 2 players.