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Hakkz

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Interesting video from Tifo football highlighting the problem of time wasting in football.

 

'O Zio

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I think what's pretty clear to everyone is that the current system is just plain stupid. Referees adding an arbitrary made up amount of time to the end of each half just doesn't work at all.

Personally, I think the whole 2x30min halves where the clock is stopped whenever the ball is dead makes perfect sense. It would instantly solve all of the problems outlined in the video and would be relatively simple to introduce. As has already been discussed hundreds of times already, the ball in only in play on average for about 60 mins each match anyway, and in a lot of cases significantly less than that, as mentioned in the video. So it would really have no negative effect at all to be honest, but would render time wasting completely pointless overnight.

So far I've only heard one complaint about this proposal, and it stems from people who just don't seem to understand that that they're not losing any game time because the ball is only in play for 60 mins anyway, it's just the numbers that change not the actual playing time.
 

Hakkz

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I think what's pretty clear to everyone is that the current system is just plain stupid. Referees adding an arbitrary made up amount of time to the end of each half just doesn't work at all.

Personally, I think the whole 2x30min halves where the clock is stopped whenever the ball is dead makes perfect sense. It would instantly solve all of the problems outlined in the video and would be relatively simple to introduce. As has already been discussed hundreds of times already, the ball in only in play on average for about 60 mins each match anyway, and in a lot of cases significantly less than that, as mentioned in the video. So it would really have no negative effect at all to be honest, but would render time wasting completely pointless overnight.

So far I've only heard one complaint about this proposal, and it stems from people who just don't seem to understand that that they're not losing any game time because the ball is only in play for 60 mins anyway, it's just the numbers that change not the actual playing time.

Something absolutely has to happen. Time wasting behaviour like that of Ben Foster should also be looked at after games. When you start wasting time after 10 minutes it should be punishable...
 

longtimespur

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I know theres's no way this will ever happen.:(
Play like they do in Rugby Union. The ref stops the clock for stoppages, we could do with this when the ball goes out of play for throw-ins, corners, free kicks and goal kicks. Would get nearer to 90 minutes per game that way.
 

Tucker

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This really shouldn’t be something hard to deal with, but as ever FIFA and IFAB love to be stuck in their ways. How long did it take them to introduce goal line tech, and now video refs?

This is something that could be fixed instantly.
 

'O Zio

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This really shouldn’t be something hard to deal with, but as ever FIFA and IFAB love to be stuck in their ways. How long did it take them to introduce goal line tech, and now video refs?

This is something that could be fixed instantly.

Same goes for harassing the ref. I've said for years just bring in the rugby style rules where only the captain talks to the ref unless spoken to and anyone answering back etc. gets a yellow. You'd have loads of yellows in the first weekend it was introduced, but then everyone would get the message that they were serious and all this arguing back/surrounding the ref/appealing for offsides/appealing for VAR etc. would be cut out overnight. But will they do it? Will they fuck. They don't even enforce the current rules for fuck sake.
 

Tucker

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Same goes for harassing the ref. I've said for years just bring in the rugby style rules where only the captain talks to the ref unless spoken to and anyone answering back etc. gets a yellow. You'd have loads of yellows in the first weekend it was introduced, but then everyone would get the message that they were serious and all this arguing back/surrounding the ref/appealing for offsides/appealing for VAR etc. would be cut out overnight. But will they do it? Will they fuck. They don't even enforce the current rules for fuck sake.

I do wonder if they are just happy to carry on as it is, that it’s by design rather than anything else. I think the powers that be probably see all this as part of the game, and don’t want to change it.
 

'O Zio

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I do wonder if they are just happy to carry on as it is, that it’s by design rather than anything else. I think the powers that be probably see all this as part of the game, and don’t want to change it.

I'm not so sure, because they keep bringing out new "directives" or whatever you want to call it but then they just never actually enforce them. Think about the "respect campaign" for christs sake. They effectively just spent a load of money on some posters, but because they never enforced the rules in practice it made zero difference. Also we're constantly being told there's a shortage of refs in the game because nobody wants to do the job any more because of all the abuse they get.

Like I say, to me the problam is the the FA/PL/PGMOL never back up the refs so they just "announce" a new policy but that's the end of it and even the refs who do try and enforce the rules get hung out to dry. I'm thinking back to the season after Leicester won the title. Before the season started all the teams were explicitly told that they'd be cracking down on shoving/shirt pulling etc. in the box during corners and free kicks. There was a game involving Stoke I think right near the beginning of the season where they were up to their usual tricks and the ref was having none of it. I think he gave 2 penalties against them and a load of yellow cards because they kept doing it regardless of how many times he warned them. Now if the FA etc. had backed him up on that, and other refs had been equally strict, they would've fixed the problem overnight and the following weekend the level of shananigans in the box would be massively reduced, but yet again, because of all the "proper football men" on the tele moaning about how he can give so many cards, the powers that be hung the ref out to dry and none of the other refs dared to enforce the new rules then so they just ignored it and reffed it like they had done in the past.

That's the trouble, whether it's time-wasting, diving, surrounding the ref etc. regardless of what it is that they want to change, if they're never going to go further than printing some posters but then not enforcing anything in practice, then they may as well not bother in the first place.
 

Tucker

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I'm not so sure, because they keep bringing out new "directives" or whatever you want to call it but then they just never actually enforce them. Think about the "respect campaign" for christs sake. They effectively just spent a load of money on some posters, but because they never enforced the rules in practice it made zero difference. Also we're constantly being told there's a shortage of refs in the game because nobody wants to do the job any more because of all the abuse they get.

Like I say, to me the problam is the the FA/PL/PGMOL never back up the refs so they just "announce" a new policy but that's the end of it and even the refs who do try and enforce the rules get hung out to dry. I'm thinking back to the season after Leicester won the title. Before the season started all the teams were explicitly told that they'd be cracking down on shoving/shirt pulling etc. in the box during corners and free kicks. There was a game involving Stoke I think right near the beginning of the season where they were up to their usual tricks and the ref was having none of it. I think he gave 2 penalties against them and a load of yellow cards because they kept doing it regardless of how many times he warned them. Now if the FA etc. had backed him up on that, and other refs had been equally strict, they would've fixed the problem overnight and the following weekend the level of shananigans in the box would be massively reduced, but yet again, because of all the "proper football men" on the tele moaning about how he can give so many cards, the powers that be hung the ref out to dry and none of the other refs dared to enforce the new rules then so they just ignored it and reffed it like they had done in the past.

That's the trouble, whether it's time-wasting, diving, surrounding the ref etc. regardless of what it is that they want to change, if they're never going to go further than printing some posters but then not enforcing anything in practice, then they may as well not bother in the first place.

That’s the thing though, lots of talk from them, never any action. If they wanted these issues fixed, they’d be fixed.
 

WorcesterTHFC

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I'm not so sure, because they keep bringing out new "directives" or whatever you want to call it but then they just never actually enforce them. Think about the "respect campaign" for christs sake. They effectively just spent a load of money on some posters, but because they never enforced the rules in practice it made zero difference. Also we're constantly being told there's a shortage of refs in the game because nobody wants to do the job any more because of all the abuse they get.

Like I say, to me the problam is the the FA/PL/PGMOL never back up the refs so they just "announce" a new policy but that's the end of it and even the refs who do try and enforce the rules get hung out to dry. I'm thinking back to the season after Leicester won the title. Before the season started all the teams were explicitly told that they'd be cracking down on shoving/shirt pulling etc. in the box during corners and free kicks. There was a game involving Stoke I think right near the beginning of the season where they were up to their usual tricks and the ref was having none of it. I think he gave 2 penalties against them and a load of yellow cards because they kept doing it regardless of how many times he warned them. Now if the FA etc. had backed him up on that, and other refs had been equally strict, they would've fixed the problem overnight and the following weekend the level of shenanigans in the box would be massively reduced, but yet again, because of all the "proper football men" on the tele moaning about how he can give so many cards, the powers that be hung the ref out to dry and none of the other refs dared to enforce the new rules then so they just ignored it and reffed it like they had done in the past.

That's the trouble, whether it's time-wasting, diving, surrounding the ref etc. regardless of what it is that they want to change, if they're never going to go further than printing some posters but then not enforcing anything in practice, then they may as well not bother in the first place.
I'm not so sure that the problem would be solved overnight, because most of these players aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. They've been getting away with these things for several years, so these habits are more or less second nature to them by now, but they'd get the message at some point, even if it takes a few weeks and a few yellows (or reds, if they keep doing the same things). But, as we've seen, those rare refs who do their jobs properly are hung out to dry, so they stop doing their jobs properly and nothing changes.
 

'O Zio

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I'm not so sure that the problem would be solved overnight, because most of these players aren't the sharpest tools in the shed. They've been getting away with these things for several years, so these habits are more or less second nature to them by now, but they'd get the message at some point, even if it takes a few weeks and a few yellows (or reds, if they keep doing the same things). But, as we've seen, those rare refs who do their jobs properly are hung out to dry, so they stop doing their jobs properly and nothing changes.

If every ref gave a yellow card every time someone answered back/waved their arms/surrounded him, then I guarantee it would be cut out after the first round of fixtures. OK I agree there would still probably be a couple of idiots who would still do it the second week, but their teammates and managers etc. would give them such a bollocking that it would become a self-policing thing. Clubs/players would enforce it themselves eventually because they couldn't afford to have so many yellow cards. Ultimately it just becomes a risk/reward thing where at the moment there's a 20% chance you influence the ref and 1% chance of any punishment so you may as well do it. If there was a 99% chance you would get a yellow then it just becomes not worth the risk and it would sort itself out.

Like I say though, this relies on it being applied across the board by all referees and the powers that be not backpeddling as soon as the Mersons and Shearers started moaning about it.
 

spursfan77

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Something absolutely has to happen. Time wasting behaviour like that of Ben Foster should also be looked at after games. When you start wasting time after 10 minutes it should be punishable...

Exactly. Especially when its the same candidates season after season.
 

CoopsieDeadpool

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Same goes for harassing the ref. I've said for years just bring in the rugby style rules where only the captain talks to the ref unless spoken to and anyone answering back etc. gets a yellow. You'd have loads of yellows in the first weekend it was introduced, but then everyone would get the message that they were serious and all this arguing back/surrounding the ref/appealing for offsides/appealing for VAR etc. would be cut out overnight. But will they do it? Will they fuck. They don't even enforce the current rules for fuck sake.


Same goes for injuries / faking injuries, having treatment on the pitch, being helped off it & then miraculously be able immediately run back onto the pitch as soon as the ref waves him on. All to waste time or stop a breakaway.

Stop it by making it mandatory that EVERY player who goes down and needs the physio on the pitch for treatment, must then go off for 5 minutes. Then be let back on by the 4th official.

This would mean time wasting actually ends up actually punishing the team responsible, due to having to play with 10 men for 5 minutes. And the cheating time wasting bastard gets to stew in his own shithousery watching his team try to cover for him in his absence.

And if the player that went down actually is injured, it means those mandatory 5 minutes will allow time for the physio to have a proper look at the player and, if necessary, see if the player is able to run it off and carry on.

You'd eliminate a way of time wasting, and a way of cheating at the same time.
 
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