The VAR Thread
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SUIYHA
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People keep talking about the downside of VAR that it ruins the moment for the fans - but I don't feel it ruined Llorente's moment for me and then of course...the offside. Here we have a new twist that football can throw up. We were down, out, the entire pub I was in was slouched back in their seats, resigned to defeat, and suddenly, a glimmer of hope. And then when the result came back as disallowed, we all celebrated like it was us that had scored the last minute winner.
Good chance that without VAR then Llorente's gets disallowed and that Aguero's offside is missed. It does make you wonder what could have been if it had always been around when we think about the times when we really could have used it - the Dabizas handball, the foul on Sheringham in the last minute of the final in 2002, the Balotelli stamp, that Chelsea goal that never crossed the line in the semi etc. So good that there's finally some justice in the world, and that it's come against a team who's entire presence at the top table is literally defined by cheating.
Good chance that without VAR then Llorente's gets disallowed and that Aguero's offside is missed. It does make you wonder what could have been if it had always been around when we think about the times when we really could have used it - the Dabizas handball, the foul on Sheringham in the last minute of the final in 2002, the Balotelli stamp, that Chelsea goal that never crossed the line in the semi etc. So good that there's finally some justice in the world, and that it's come against a team who's entire presence at the top table is literally defined by cheating.
nailsy
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I had a look at the rules for VAR this morning and found this:
The VAR can ‘check’ the footage in normal speed and/or in slow motion but, in general, slow motion replays should only be used for facts, e.g. position of offence/player, point of contact for physical offences and handball, ball out of play (including goal/no goal); normal speed should be used for the ‘intensity’ of an offence or to decide if a handball was ‘deliberate’
So for last nights incident they should use the slow motion replay to see if it was a handball and then play the footage at real speed to determine if the player tried to handle it.
The VAR can ‘check’ the footage in normal speed and/or in slow motion but, in general, slow motion replays should only be used for facts, e.g. position of offence/player, point of contact for physical offences and handball, ball out of play (including goal/no goal); normal speed should be used for the ‘intensity’ of an offence or to decide if a handball was ‘deliberate’
So for last nights incident they should use the slow motion replay to see if it was a handball and then play the footage at real speed to determine if the player tried to handle it.
spursfan77
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It ruins it for people in the stadium because we aren’t informed about what’s happening. Why should people watching it on tv have more information that those sitting in the ground. It needs to be shown on the big screen.
As I posted in the match thread, I don't think it had any effect last night, and the narrative of downplaying our achievements was continued with it.
1. Llorente goal - ref gave it...they complained..it was checked and ref stayed with his decision.
2. Sterling 'goal' - Lino kept flag down as per instructions about letting play go on, then ref got the word to check it... so decision may have stood anyway.
Only thing spoiling that theory is we don't know for sure if the Lino did see it and do that, or if the VAR room were the ones who did that...
3. If the Kompany handball turns out not to be photoshopped, then that backs up what I said earlier in the thread about selectivity in choosing incidents to review - of which the 2 key moments in the first match - Fernan****o's red, and Sonny's penalty - are both examples where the brown envelope fears come into play
There continues to be a misunderstanding about this. Linesmen are told to delay putting their flag up when a player is offside and there is a goal scoring opportunity. Since the flag didn't go up after the goal, that means his decision was onside.
vegassd
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People watching on TV have commentators, pundits, replays and stats shown throughout the game regardless of VAR. They are always going to have more information than those in the stadium.
But I get your point about keeping the live fans as informed as possible about VAR decision. I think cricket has got their setup pretty good but they have had many more years to get to that point. VAR in football does seem a little sluggish still but there are signs of improvement.
On a slight tangent, I'm sure I read that replays of big/contentious decisions have been "banned" from being shown on monitors at football grounds because of the attitude of the fans. If a linesman made a wrong call about offside that led to the away team scoring, then that decision was played on screens during half time, imagine the amount of abuse that linesman will get from the home fans in the second half.
It's a bit of a pathetic excuse in my view, but I also think that fans giving that sort of abuse at the officials are supremely pathetic as humans so it's a balancing act. So I can see why the authorities would take a "softly softly" approach to bringing the videos into the stadium because we unfortunately see time and time again that football fans en masse are unable to control themselves.
Krule
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It will be interesting to see if VAR benefits the lower teams more than the "elite".
So many times this season decisions have gone against lower positioned clubs when they play one of the top four, particularly offside goals being scored against them.
Perhaps technology will come to the aid of these "making up the numbers" clubs who are normally involved in relegation battles and are deeply affected by such situations.
So many times this season decisions have gone against lower positioned clubs when they play one of the top four, particularly offside goals being scored against them.
Perhaps technology will come to the aid of these "making up the numbers" clubs who are normally involved in relegation battles and are deeply affected by such situations.
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It should make it a level playing field even if still flawed. Someone said decisions depend on which official watching the video screen. VAR would've given us a pen v city - but only if called on. Again a refs decision. VR could still favour bigger clubs tho.
punkisback
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The only time VAR can truly be objective is when it comes to offsides. You’re either off or your not. When it comes to everything else it’s up the the refs interpretation of the laws of the game.
Dharmabum
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I remember when I called for - what I then called - video refereeing several years ago I was blasted, roasted, criticized etc. etc. and there were so many various opinions of why it wouldn't work/be practical. Finally people are "tuning into" what a great idea it was to introduce VAR and that it's come to stay.
NEXT: effective playing time rather adding extra-time. Have time-keeper like they do in team handball, basketball, ice hockey, where they have various rules regarding when the game-watch should be stopped and when to re-start it again. This will counter-act time-wasting.
Let there be 2 halves 35 minutes of effective playing time.
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Hakkz
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wirE
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I think VAR should only be used when the referee needs advise on a situation and not suddenly being interrupted by the VAR-room that he got a situation that he 'might wanna check out'. I.e. Manchester City's penalty decision against us. None of the City players was reacting and neither did the ref.
