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Conor is properly losing it isn't he. I don't want to judge because I would probably kill myself with coke and booze if I had that much money but it's painful watching it in real time.
 

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He slapped a phone out of someones hand because they were taking pictures of him. I guess he was just in a bad mood but he should be used to the attention considering he craves it so much. You would think he would keep a low profile while he serves his suspension.

It does amaze me how people can call themselves martial artists yet clearly dont know the concept of it. Discipline is key to the sport and if you dont have that then you're not really a true martial artist.


Conor seems to be in a similar place to where Jones was. Will they ever change? It seems Jones has for now but time will tell.
 

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Yeah I went to the show last night. Some good fights, better than last years event in London.
I thought Volkan won 2 rounds to 1 so not sure how Reyes got the decision there.
Edwards really impressed with his grappling against Gunnar.
Masvidal took advantage of the openings that Till leaves with a big left hook.

Overall it was still a good night for the UK fighters. They still have some way to go but there is a lot more talent coming through now.
Big wins for McCann, Wood and Diakiese. Although not a great fight Allen got a win as well.
I thought Roberts was unlucky. He had Silva hurt a couple of times but got into grappling range which is not where you want Silva.
It always annoys me when a fighter gets their opponent hurt and gives them chance to grapple instead of stepping back and keeping in striking range.

The big talking point was the brawl backstage between Edwards and Masvidal
Edwards was calling Masvidal out for a fight in July. The squared up and Masvidal throws a few punches cutting Edwards in the process.
Not what the sport should be about. Masvidal claims that Edwards put his hands up which technically is a gesture to fight.
I'd like an MMA fighter to show more dicipline though. It should set up a fight between them I'm sure.

How fitting though that Bisping was inducted into the HOF. So well deserved because he put UK MMA on the map in a big way.
This card showed the influence he has had on British MMA.
 

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Yeah I went to the show last night. Some good fights, better than last years event in London.
I thought Volkan won 2 rounds to 1 so not sure how Reyes got the decision there.
Edwards really impressed with his grappling against Gunnar.
Masvidal took advantage of the openings that Till leaves with a big left hook.

Overall it was still a good night for the UK fighters. They still have some way to go but there is a lot more talent coming through now.
Big wins for McCann, Wood and Diakiese. Although not a great fight Allen got a win as well.
I thought Roberts was unlucky. He had Silva hurt a couple of times but got into grappling range which is not where you want Silva.
It always annoys me when a fighter gets their opponent hurt and gives them chance to grapple instead of stepping back and keeping in striking range.


The big talking point was the brawl backstage between Edwards and Masvidal
Edwards was calling Masvidal out for a fight in July. The squared up and Masvidal throws a few punches cutting Edwards in the process.
Not what the sport should be about. Masvidal claims that Edwards put his hands up which technically is a gesture to fight.
I'd like an MMA fighter to show more dicipline though. It should set up a fight between them I'm sure.

How fitting though that Bisping was inducted into the HOF. So well deserved because he put UK MMA on the map in a big way.
This card showed the influence he has had on British MMA.
This is what annoyed me and is probably the reason why I didn't feel as sorry for him as I maybe should have. Had he kept more of a distance like he surely knew he should have been doing he most certainly would have ended up winning that fight.
 

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I'm not going to believe Conor is retired. It could just as well be a publicity stunt. He's an attention seeker of the highest order.

I like him as a stand up fighter but he was never a complete martial artist. You look at the likes of Holloway, Ferguson and Jones, they're so good on the ground as well as the feet. He never really reached the potential because he doesn't work enough on his weaknesses. Hell he recently said that the fight with Mayweather was lost because he trained for a counter attacker. Mayweather started that way but changed it early in the fight and started pressing forward instead and Conor couldn't cope. That for me just sums up his mindset. The same happened with Khabib when Khabib was more patient rather than pressing forward aggressively as he did in previous fights. You have to be able to fight different ways and adapt in this game. Thats why Bruce Lee was so ahead of his time because he understood the need to adapt to your opponent.
 

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I'm not going to believe Conor is retired. It could just as well be a publicity stunt. He's an attention seeker of the highest order.

I like him as a stand up fighter but he was never a complete martial artist. You look at the likes of Holloway, Ferguson and Jones, they're so good on the ground as well as the feet. He never really reached the potential because he doesn't work enough on his weaknesses. Hell he recently said that the fight with Mayweather was lost because he trained for a counter attacker. Mayweather started that way but changed it early in the fight and started pressing forward instead and Conor couldn't cope. That for me just sums up his mindset. The same happened with Khabib when Khabib was more patient rather than pressing forward aggressively as he did in previous fights. You have to be able to fight different ways and adapt in this game. Thats why Bruce Lee was so ahead of his time because he understood the need to adapt to your opponent.
I agree with what you've said and I also think the Khabib beatdown made him realise that he's not as good as he thought he was and it must have seriously crushed his ego because he wasn't at all close to getting on top in that one. I think he's too scared to jump back in and face more (likely) losses as that would leave a blemish on his record (for his ego and notoriety's sake) 18-4 is pretty solid, imagine if that became 20-8. He wouldn't like the thought of that.
 

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I agree with what you've said and I also think the Khabib beatdown made him realise that he's not as good as he thought he was and it must have seriously crushed his ego because he wasn't at all close to getting on top in that one. I think he's too scared to jump back in and face more (likely) losses as that would leave a blemish on his record (for his ego and notoriety's sake) 18-4 is pretty solid, imagine if that became 20-8. He wouldn't like the thought of that.
He always comes across as someone who lives in denial. Every time he does an interview he suggests he was doing better in the fight than he did. Even after the Khabib fight he suggested he was doing well until he got submitted. I think he even suggested he won the first round. Maybe on the inside though he recognises that he's not the elite fighter he claims to be and his interviews are just for show.

Honestly I think the weight class is too big for him and he should have dropped back down but maybe too proud to do it. He's fighting guys in Diaz and Khabib who cut down to lightweight. He's great at fighting the smaller guys at 145 and even in his lightweight title win fought a small guy in Alvarez. Yet he continues to try and challenge big lightweights like Cerrone. I respect that he wants to challenge himself, but he can't handle the grappling against the bigger lightweights and doesn't carry the same ko power in that division.
 

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Anything to do with the ongoing alleged rape allegation?

‘Famous Irish Sportsman’
Yes this is about Conor although I didn't hear the word rape used. No charges have been brought forward and no real details about it yet. Only that he's being accused of a sexual assault in Ireland back in December. We'll see where it leads but it's never good to have such allegations aimed at you.
 

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He always comes across as someone who lives in denial. Every time he does an interview he suggests he was doing better in the fight than he did. Even after the Khabib fight he suggested he was doing well until he got submitted. I think he even suggested he won the first round. Maybe on the inside though he recognises that he's not the elite fighter he claims to be and his interviews are just for show.

Honestly I think the weight class is too big for him and he should have dropped back down but maybe too proud to do it. He's fighting guys in Diaz and Khabib who cut down to lightweight. He's great at fighting the smaller guys at 145 and even in his lightweight title win fought a small guy in Alvarez. Yet he continues to try and challenge big lightweights like Cerrone. I respect that he wants to challenge himself, but he can't handle the grappling against the bigger lightweights and doesn't carry the same ko power in that division.
That weight cut to 145 is to much for him, he probably can't do it anymore.

I still think he does well against a lot of 155er's. The problem is his gas tank is bad for a smaller weight fighter.
 

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So he announces his retirement in one breath, and in the next, he says he wouldn't mind having another crack at Mayweather. Will he quit or won't he? Personally, I don't give a flying crap one way or another, and if the allegations of a sexual nature prove to be founded, I hope he never get's near a UFC stage again, but does some very serious time.

One thing's for sure, if he does fight again, he'll find most of the tantalising hype he used to generate at his press conferences will have evaporated. His light has dimmed greatly since he got pussied into submission by Kabib and he'll never be able to live that one down. Never.

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That weight cut to 145 is to much for him, he probably can't do it anymore.

I still think he does well against a lot of 155er's. The problem is his gas tank is bad for a smaller weight fighter.
He probably fights best against natural 155lbs opponents but who is there at the top of the division at that weight? That's the trouble with weight cuts, he's not fighting too many natural 155lbs fighters. The natural 155lbs fighters are fighting at 145. It seems that weight cuts are necessary just to fight the right size opponent come fight night. I look at Khabib, Ferguson, Diaz and Cerrone who are all possible opponents for him and I think he struggles against those guys. They all walk around about 20lbs above the weight. He's about the size of Holloway, tall and long but not built like those guys who cut down to lightweight.

I think he struggles more fighting the big guys at lightweight than the smaller guys after a weight cut. I think the only time he had to go the distance was against Holloway early in his UFC days and he looked ok. The only fight he struggled for stamina with was against Diaz where he just wasn't able to finish him like he does the smaller guys. When he throws big shots and can't put away his opponent early he gasses a bit. It doesn't suit his style to bulk up either because he's not a grappler. He's best when fighting lean and using his quickness and elusiveness on the feet.
 

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Yes this is about Conor although I didn't hear the word rape used. No charges have been brought forward and no real details about it yet. Only that he's being accused of a sexual assault in Ireland back in December. We'll see where it leads but it's never good to have such allegations aimed at you.
Doubt it will go far considering the girl was originally too terrified to make a statement, though the police did take her to hospital.

A piece in IrishCentral says "at the time a police source said that despite the fact that the woman was too scared to make a statement the police continued to investigate the alleged crime."

They said, “At the end of the day, there is no doubt that this young lady suffered a horrendous ordeal – the examinations and all the evidence shows that she was raped and very badly assaulted in that penthouse suite.”
 
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