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edson

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No call up for skipp , we have made a big fuss over him , but no call up , something not quite right there
Skipp is worth the fuss and like Winks at some point will be a first team player,only thing about Skipp is remember what he is and do not expect him to dance around two or three players then put in the top corner.....Not his game,he wil help the team win matches but not on his own.
 

IGSpur

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I dont think it's a bad policy. As I think it gives a lot of motivation to those like Skipp that get overlooked, while also keeping the pressure off of their favs. And as long as their is more merit at the older levels than I dont see the problem in the philosophy. Of course there are the odd example of people moving up and down the order, I was just think as a general term.

I don't think it's a bad policy I just don't think it's what England do. Example being TOB has been one of England's standout players and have dropped him for players who have previously not been involved. Similarly Bennet has now been called up for us. I do genuinely believe the coaches are fairly open to new players and know who the best ones around are. I think in some instances there will be disagreements and some arguably deserve to be selected, and I don't doubt they probably show some loyalty to some players, but it is by no means a closed shop and they will choose the best of the best. Walcott has been moved in and out, as has Maueke and Binks.

At the same time I think, White, Bowden and Markanday deserve a call up but at the same time they will have players who are very good and playing well. So Maghoma is back in. And sadly we had 5 players in the really talented 99 age group, and now have Tanganga hanging on by a thread, and we had 5/6 players called up to the 00 talented age group at various points and now have one. We won't go into the reasons ours were seen as the best at u16 level and have regressed over the last 2/3 years but the point being England show an element of loyalty but will generally choose the most deserving players
 

Blake Griffin

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winks is the blueprint for the profile of player who will make it under pochettino and it took him until he was 20 to be playing at the level and the consistency that skipp has shown at 17. it's the more "mercurial" type talents i don't hold out much hope for, i think you're better off being a 7 in all areas than a 9 in some and a 5 in others. kwp, onomah and edwards might be the most naturally talented players to have come through recently but all have weaknesses, skipp on the other hand obviously has room to improve in all areas given he's only just turned 18 but there's not one glaring aspect of his game where you'd say he needs a lot of work. if he doesn't make it then i'll give up hoping anyone else will.
 

IGSpur

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No call up for skipp , we have made a big fuss over him , but no call up , something not quite right there

Not really. Just an incredibly talented age group. I've said before you could make 4 different first 11s at u17 level that could have won the Euros or World Cup, then you're getting the late developers in the EFL clubs that will start to come through. Skipp is good enough for international level and would make most age groups but the players he's competing with are different style of players or getting first team minutes, or have won tournaments with England. There is no clear cut case that he should be in the team. As mentioned Gomes is missing, and another player I've mentioned who has been highly rated Matt O'Riley is missing out, and he's being chased by Juventus and Dortmund, which would be great moves for him. Those are just 2 players, then there are players like TOB, Barlow who are also missing that have been in the squad more recently. So it is a difficult situation
 

IGSpur

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winks is the blueprint for the profile of player who will make it under pochettino and it took him until he was 20 to be playing at the level and the consistency that skipp has shown at 17. it's the more "mercurial" type talents i don't hold out much hope for, i think you're better off being a 7 in all areas than a 9 in some and a 5 in others. kwp, onomah and edwards might be the most naturally talented players to have come through recently but all have weaknesses, skipp on the other hand obviously has room to improve in all areas given he's only just turned 18 but there's not one glaring aspect of his game where you'd say he needs a lot of work. if he doesn't make it then i'll give up hoping anyone else will.

Even I'm quite confident he will. Hard worker, industrious, good ability, not a risk easy to manage. Perfect player to bring through. Ultimately a bigger talent than Winks imo, so I don't really have any concerns about him coming through, it's just when
 

Spurzinho

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Don't know if anyone watched tonight's FA cup game Hampton & Richmond vs Oldham. I didn't but I did notice that a former Spurs schoolboy was on show. H&R winger Zak Joseph. He was in the 1993/94 group which included Kevin Stewart, Lee Angol and Jack Munns amongst others. It was a pretty weak group as I remember it.
 

ralphs bald spot

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Regarding Winks he played in the Youth team that I watched for a couple of years - and he never really stood out. He was neat and tidy but at the time you wouldn't have said that he was going to be the player he is now.

Incidentally the stand outs were Onomah go to player protected the ball and had a real presence, CCV really powerful strong perhaps lacked a turn of pace but outstanding. Ogilvie and KWP as full backs were very good and KWP improved throughout. The one that really saddens me was Oduwa he had so much potential, pace and skill should have been converted into a centre forward but maybe lacked the football intelligence or comittment as I say sad
 

Romulus

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Skipp not getting selected for England is complete bollocks. this guy is good enough to play, no matter who's selected.

This is one of those situations when he's playing for Tottenham and Englands first team where you look back in bemusement at him not getting selected for the younger age groups
 

newbie

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Skipp not getting selected for England is complete bollocks. this guy is good enough to play, no matter who's selected.

This is one of those situations when he's playing for Tottenham and Englands first team where you look back in bemusement at him not getting selected for the younger age groups

I think he would have had some game time if we were winning games more comfortably, I know Poch does not like to blood people when a game is over but we are so short on CMs atm I am sure he would like to have given him some time incase we need to use him.
 

edson

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Do not think their is any rush on Skipp because he is still very young time is on his side,Just hope he is not stuck in the u23 for a very long period of time.
 

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Do not think their is any rush on Skipp because he is still very young time is on his side,Just hope he is not stuck in the u23 for a very long period of time.

I don't think there is a rush but he may have to play due to injuries im sure had Amos not got injured he would have minutes.
 

edson

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I don't think there is a rush but he may have to play due to injuries im sure had Amos not got injured he would have minutes.
If he is needed now Skipp would not let us down but their is no hurry and at this point our Manager is doing a good job.
 

guru

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Such a shame these games are played in the international window break , we have quite a lot of players who would feature and could make the difference , missing today . Hopefully the other boys left can step up tonight
 

Blake Griffin

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I think Markanday yesterday showed why I think he is currently the best player in thea ge group. Put in a great shift at LB then moved to number 10, he was the main reason for the 2nd goal. Took the ball just outside teh box, drove at it, with such precise touches to allow him to cut across the main behind him, but not too far ahead to lose it to the defender. Laid off perfectly for Clarke who squared it for Parrott. Everything Markanday does has purpose and with such ease. Moved to no10 for about 10mins. Created one, scored an excellent goal where he fooled everyone by dummying the defender and finished with aplomb. Then he went off, Job done.

Also hit the bar with his right foot earlier in the match, and glides into the box easily. Very very good player.

 
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