The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

[Luka Van der Bale]

What ever happened to Georgiou?

I think he's injured.

 

[guru]

I have heard all these decisions on who to include in the squad , is us trying to get players to sign and renew contracts with the club , not on ability , once signed like TOB ect we move onto the next one .

 

[NRH]

Nya Kirby on the bench for Palace tonight.

 

[IGSpur]

I have heard all these decisions on who to include in the squad , is us trying to get players to sign and renew contracts with the club , not on ability , once signed like TOB ect we move onto the next one .

Wouldn't surprise me as there is clearly no intent to actually play them. The Tanganga/Eyoma situation is either or. Funny thing about TOB is he was kept strictly with the first team to help develop him, and not play games, and now he has been stifled so much he's actually regressed behind other players. I don't expect much to come of Kirby, as it's nigh on impossible coming through to the PL, but I remember when he left people were looking to compare their development and thought he was crazy for leaving and TOB was the sensible smart one. I don't know how people are so deluded to believe that staying here would be somewhat better than chancing your arm elsewhere.

Of course I could be talking to soon with TOB but it's not looking great and we know development is even poorer at the u23s.

 

[IGSpur]

Don't know if it's been posted as I've been off. Haysman, BBW and Hackett called up to England u15 camp and played in game against Sheffield United, Forson also there and scored a couple. Still unattached

John and Watt are with England u16s in France.

Our u18s beat Southampton 3-1. White scored another freekick, and our u16s beat Southampton 4-1.

John started for the England u16s as they beat France 3-1 and Watt came on later in the match

Albert Rachi has been playing for Albania u16s

Michael Craig has been called up for Scotland's Victory Shield squad. I assume his brother would also but not sure. Imagine the squad will be announced in the next few days

 

[DezFitz]

Good on Skipp for making his debut. Hopefully the first of many more to come and he makes a breakthrough into the team in the next couple of years like Winks has done. Lot of negativity about Poch not given the youth a chance but he provided an opportunity tonight.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Good on Skipp for making his debut. Hopefully the first of many more to come and he makes a breakthrough into the team in the next couple of years like Winks has done. Lot of negativity about Poch not given the youth a chance but he provided an opportunity tonight.

Make a good fist of his minutes too. Came on for eriksen and. Asically took his place, more licence than usual cm role. But didn't look out of place and did good.

 

[Danny1]

I think it's sometimes difficult for people to accept when our young players don't make the breakthrough. However, as we are seeing with Winks & now with Skipp, it's only the cream of the crop that will get into our team. I see people making cases for Onomah, KWP, TOB and others, but none of us truly know how good they are in comparison to other Premier League players.

KWP I personally think will be a late bloomer due to his size and build, the Premier League is so fiercely athletically competitive that, at the minute, I think he would struggle to play week in week out. Onomah was the one I held real high hopes for but just doesn't seem to be doing it on loan at any of the clubs he has joined. Compare him to Mason Mount at Derby who has been a revelation and you can see that Josh is nowhere near that standard yet.

Other players like TOB, Skipp, Parrot et al are so young that we can't expect to see them in any regular fashion for the next 3-5 years I personally think.

I know some think that Poch is terrible at playing younger players, however I don't see the other top level Prem teams doing it either. Foden has played a few mins, although mostly when City are already 3 or 4 up so its easy to bring them on, Arsenal have played a few, as have Utd. Liverpool play one in TAA much like us in Winks and Chelsea hardly play any, which considering some of the talent they have in their youth, is the most surprising.

 

[beats1]

I think it's sometimes difficult for people to accept when our young players don't make the breakthrough. However, as we are seeing with Winks & now with Skipp, it's only the cream of the crop that will get into our team. I see people making cases for Onomah, KWP, TOB and others, but none of us truly know how good they are in comparison to other Premier League players.

KWP I personally think will be a late bloomer due to his size and build, the Premier League is so fiercely athletically competitive that, at the minute, I think he would struggle to play week in week out. Onomah was the one I held real high hopes for but just doesn't seem to be doing it on loan at any of the clubs he has joined. Compare him to Mason Mount at Derby who has been a revelation and you can see that Josh is nowhere near that standard yet.

Other players like TOB, Skipp, Parrot et al are so young that we can't expect to see them in any regular fashion for the next 3-5 years I personally think.

I know some think that Poch is terrible at playing younger players, however I don't see the other top level Prem teams doing it either. Foden has played a few mins, although mostly when City are already 3 or 4 up so its easy to bring them on, Arsenal have played a few, as have Utd. Liverpool play one in TAA much like us in Winks and Chelsea hardly play any, which considering some of the talent they have in their youth, is the most surprising.

Seriously you can't mention Mount at Derby and not even look at the people who are giving him a chance.

Look at Tomori, he has never been a standout player in the championship and now he is looking like one of the best CB's in the championship because with the players and management he is playing under.

Our club is stupid in the sense we send players to teams that dont suit their style of play at all. Mount didn't go to steve bruce and expected to play LW whilst been instructed to stay back and focus on the fullback. He went to Vitesse and Derby both teams that play good football

 

[wrd]

I think it's sometimes difficult for people to accept when our young players don't make the breakthrough. However, as we are seeing with Winks & now with Skipp, it's only the cream of the crop that will get into our team. I see people making cases for Onomah, KWP, TOB and others, but none of us truly know how good they are in comparison to other Premier League players.

KWP I personally think will be a late bloomer due to his size and build, the Premier League is so fiercely athletically competitive that, at the minute, I think he would struggle to play week in week out. Onomah was the one I held real high hopes for but just doesn't seem to be doing it on loan at any of the clubs he has joined. Compare him to Mason Mount at Derby who has been a revelation and you can see that Josh is nowhere near that standard yet.

Other players like TOB, Skipp, Parrot et al are so young that we can't expect to see them in any regular fashion for the next 3-5 years I personally think.

I know some think that Poch is terrible at playing younger players, however I don't see the other top level Prem teams doing it either. Foden has played a few mins, although mostly when City are already 3 or 4 up so its easy to bring them on, Arsenal have played a few, as have Utd. Liverpool play one in TAA much like us in Winks and Chelsea hardly play any, which considering some of the talent they have in their youth, is the most surprising.

Is Onomah not doing too well on loan at the moment? Haven't seen much.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

I think it's sometimes difficult for people to accept when our young players don't make the breakthrough. However, as we are seeing with Winks & now with Skipp, it's only the cream of the crop that will get into our team. I see people making cases for Onomah, KWP, TOB and others, but none of us truly know how good they are in comparison to other Premier League players.

KWP I personally think will be a late bloomer due to his size and build, the Premier League is so fiercely athletically competitive that, at the minute, I think he would struggle to play week in week out. Onomah was the one I held real high hopes for but just doesn't seem to be doing it on loan at any of the clubs he has joined. Compare him to Mason Mount at Derby who has been a revelation and you can see that Josh is nowhere near that standard yet.

Other players like TOB, Skipp, Parrot et al are so young that we can't expect to see them in any regular fashion for the next 3-5 years I personally think.

I know some think that Poch is terrible at playing younger players, however I don't see the other top level Prem teams doing it either. Foden has played a few mins, although mostly when City are already 3 or 4 up so its easy to bring them on, Arsenal have played a few, as have Utd. Liverpool play one in TAA much like us in Winks and Chelsea hardly play any, which considering some of the talent they have in their youth, is the most surprising.

I think we're trying with the youth and that's the main thing. We have to be realistic though. Players that have made it through Carroll, livermore, Townsend latter 2 being fill internationals still were not quite there. But right now we just don't have an abundance of ready for prem youngsters. The newer batch need time and hopefully the training facilities now at the club will assist this. Skipp does look like one. Hopefully we can be patient with KWP and him with us as I agree he will be a late bloomer too. I like his skill set, dribbling and adventure but he is also quite astute in defending. Physicality being a weakness presently.

Onomah I'm sad about. Has everything but at his age now he really should be controlling games in the championship, not struggling for game time and position.

 

[Danny1]

Seriously you can't mention Mount at Derby and not even look at the people who are giving him a chance.

Look at Tomori, he has never been a standout player in the championship and now he is looking like one of the best CB's in the championship because with the players and management he is playing under.

Our club is stupid in the sense we send players to teams that dont suit their style of play at all. Mount didn't go to steve bruce and expected to play LW whilst been instructed to stay back and focus on the fullback. He went to Vitesse and Derby both teams that play good football

I agree with you. Our loans have historically not been very good & it would be interesting to see who the decision is made by. Ideally it would be Poch who would choose the club carefully that suits each player and also suits the way that we want that particular youth player to play.

Personally I would like to see John play for a "free-er" flowing football side and unfortunately for him he has been sent to Villa & Wednesday. I personally would like to see KWP go on loan in January to a strong Championship side, ideally someone like Leeds (if the opportunity is there of course).

 

[kmk]

https://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news/2018/november/from-classroom-to-first-team-for-skipp/

Interesting that Skipp is studying A Level English and Economics at Hotspur Way.

 

[IGSpur]

Good on Skipp for making his debut. Hopefully the first of many more to come and he makes a breakthrough into the team in the next couple of years like Winks has done. Lot of negativity about Poch not given the youth a chance but he provided an opportunity tonight.

At comparable clubs Smith-Rowe, Foden and Diaz all started for their clubs, ESW and Diaz scoring. City also facing a PL team. Skipp gets 7mins in the League Cup and Poch has done enough to earn praise from the fans, which will no doubt tide him over until next season. Incredible. As I say PL clubs suck at bringing players through and yet Poch still does less. It wont' change and neither will the views of the fans.

The stuff about the players not being good enough is nonsense. They don't need to be as good as Kane just better than our rubbish squad players to get chances. And when the few talents go abroad and seem to do well, when we know full well they would not be playing here, the 'not good enough' excuse surely can only run for so long. People don't honestly believe Sancho would be playing for England if he chose us over Dortmund.

 

[Joshua]

At comparable clubs Smith-Rowe, Foden and Diaz all started for their clubs, ESW and Diaz scoring. City also facing a PL team. Skipp gets 7mins in the League Cup and Poch has done enough to earn praise from the fans, which will no doubt tide him over until next season. Incredible. As I say PL clubs suck at bringing players through and yet Poch still does less. It wont' change and neither will the views of the fans.

The stuff about the players not being good enough is nonsense. They don't need to be as good as Kane just better than our rubbish squad players to get chances. And when the few talents go abroad and seem to do well, when we know full well they would not be playing here, the 'not good enough' excuse surely can only run for so long. People don't honestly believe Sancho would be playing for England if he chose us over Dortmund.

I think it's a balancing act though. I don't think it would've been wise to have just chucked Skipp straight in from the start. Now that he's had a few minutes and looked comfortable the opportunities should come more regular now. Kane and Winks weren't just thrown straight in at 17/18 years old. It's easy to get carried away with excitement when you've got some talented academy players on your hands but it's also easy for them to get ruined by the pressure if asked for too much too early. Also I think the fact that CCV and Onomah who were two who seemed on course for the first team and have now fallen by the wayside has made him more cautious. If they're good enough though they will play.

 

[DezFitz]

At comparable clubs Smith-Rowe, Foden and Diaz all started for their clubs, ESW and Diaz scoring. City also facing a PL team. Skipp gets 7mins in the League Cup and Poch has done enough to earn praise from the fans, which will no doubt tide him over until next season. Incredible. As I say PL clubs suck at bringing players through and yet Poch still does less. It wont' change and neither will the views of the fans.

The stuff about the players not being good enough is nonsense. They don't need to be as good as Kane just better than our rubbish squad players to get chances. And when the few talents go abroad and seem to do well, when we know full well they would not be playing here, the 'not good enough' excuse surely can only run for so long. People don't honestly believe Sancho would be playing for England if he chose us over Dortmund.

I really respect you as a poster and your knowledge of the youth players we have and the league in general is fantastic. But I feel like there is and has been a negative tone to your posts for a long time. You’re not happy about the youngsters getting enough chances rightly or wrongly, but it’s starting to grate with this constant undertone to all your posts. Even when Poch provides an opportunity its then turned into a negative because it wasn’t long enough. I want the youngsters to succeed as much as anyone and I also wish they would get more opportunities. And now it’s “incredible” because some of us are happy Skipp got some kind of opportunity. It has started to make this thread (which I used to believe was the best) one of the most negative ones to visit.

 

[BPR_U16]

I really respect you as a poster and your knowledge of the youth players we have and the league in general is fantastic. But I feel like there is and has been a negative tone to your posts for a long time. You’re not happy about the youngsters getting enough chances rightly or wrongly, but it’s starting to grate with this constant undertone to all your posts. Even when Poch provides an opportunity its then turned into a negative because it wasn’t long enough. I want the youngsters to succeed as much as anyone and I also wish they would get more opportunities. And now it’s “incredible” because some of us are happy Skipp got some kind of opportunity. It has started to make this thread (which I used to believe was the best) one of the most negative ones to visit.

I think in one way it's fortunate that Windy left the site, for he went on about it at length and still does on Twitter. It's almost like he has his own agenda.
In general I agree that we are not making best use of our youth players and we all know it's part of Levys plan for them to come through its why invested in training facility. But I still back Poch.
However, the incessant negativity in the thread is starting to wear then and I fully agree than this was once one of the best threads on the site and why have always asked for it's own section to allow various threads within it.

 

[spurs9]

I have heard all these decisions on who to include in the squad , is us trying to get players to sign and renew contracts with the club , not on ability , once signed like TOB ect we move onto the next one .

Skipp and Eyoma signed new contracts in August and made the bench, so that cant be true.

 

[spurs9]

Wouldn't surprise me as there is clearly no intent to actually play them. The Tanganga/Eyoma situation is either or. Funny thing about TOB is he was kept strictly with the first team to help develop him, and not play games, and now he has been stifled so much he's actually regressed behind other players. I don't expect much to come of Kirby, as it's nigh on impossible coming through to the PL, but I remember when he left people were looking to compare their development and thought he was crazy for leaving and TOB was the sensible smart one. I don't know how people are so deluded to believe that staying here would be somewhat better than chancing your arm elsewhere.

Of course I could be talking to soon with TOB but it's not looking great and we know development is even poorer at the u23s.

Didn't TOB get a few injuries last season? It seems to happen quite a bit when our youngsters first go full time training with the first team (Georgiou, Edwards & Amos off the top of my head), so I wonder if the difference in the physical intensity between the two is too vast.

FYI, TOB has made the bench for our first team and made for first team mins (a whole minute) for us than Kirby has for Palace and IMO Kirby is the better player.

 

[coys200]

We actually have a much better squad than Arsenal. Also however weird it sounds City are actually quite a small squad. With foyth now getting Argentinan call up again 22 of our 25 are full internationals. The simple fact is that Skipp is front of the queue and although a good prospect I don’t think anyone would say an outstanding prospect on a par with foden. Although we have a lot of “good” prospects there is nobody obviously knocking poch door down right now saying he should play.