The Spurs Youth Thread - 2018/19

[Westmorlandspur]

The fact you're comparing him to ravel morrison is making you look silly

Youre comparing him to a person who was arrested for violence towards two people whilst also intimidating witnesses and threatening to throw acid at two people.

The two situations aren't comparable at all

He will be wasting his career as Morrison has done. Wasn’t comparing criminal records.
There will always be someone who will take a chance on Edwards. Same as Sheff Utd are going to try again with Morrison

 

[Westmorlandspur]

Parrott is the only other striker on the tour, he went on CL trips last season. So yeah I’d say he is on the verge on the squad. He’s the only 17 year old that’s been taken, he’s the only thing Irish youth watchers are talking about. And I doubt anyone would argue he’s currently our no 1 prospect.
You also can’t compare us to Chelsea they are probably 5-10 years ahead of us in their youth development. They were obviously cleaning up the majority of the talent 5-10 years ago. But now we are just as an attractive prospect to parents.
On average we produce 1 youth player a year into the senior squad. I’m not sure you can ask for much more. Obviously many fall by the wayside but I’d maintain that’s because of their attitudes. Kane winks Skipp show under Pochettino how important hard work and attitude is.

When Parrott gets his chance he will take it. That’s the difference.
Also I see daishawn redan is leaving Chelsea sold to German club approx 5m has been reported. They also lost 2 16 yr olds to Germany. Redan was highly rated.
He has gone to Germany Hertha Berlin

 

[therhinospeaks]

Yes but some have those may have actually joined 5-10 years ago they haven’t just rocked up this year.

Ultimately they offer a better package to kids/parents and have a huge catchment area with little rivals.

 

[beats1]

Hasn't he scored far more than a goal a game at u18 level as a 16 year old? If that's right, you don't consider that excelling?

He has done well no doubt about that, but he hasn't earned a call up to the squad by this performances in the U21's yet, this is a case of him being called up as we don't have no other strikers other than Kane

 

[littlemandefoe]

Ultimately they offer a better package to kids/parents and have a huge catchment area with little rivals.

sup with that avatar, homie? Are you a gooner? lets step outside mate and have a word

 

[DEFchenkOE]

Not sure who writes the articles on this site but they have been quite accurate with stuff so far. What's interesting to me is that he says Poch was planning to include him for pre season but due to his attitude in the meeting he changed his mind more or less.

https://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.com/2019/07/marcus-edwards-fell-out-with-pochettino.html?m=1

"Those of you who were hoping Marcus Edwards would get his chance at Spurs will be disappointed, as I revealed 5 days ago, that he isn't training with Spurs and is seeking a move.

The plan was to give him an opportunity on the pre-season tour to show what he can do and show the right attitude.

I have talked before that he has the wrong attitude, that he feels entitled and if you remember the interview he gave, he didn't take total responsibility for his situation but blamed others.

That suggested to me, again as I wrote at the time that he had not sorted out his mentality yet and so it has proved. He has had his meeting with Pochettino and, let's just say it didn't go well.

The result was Edwards being disciplined, not being able to train with the first team and looking for another club. That club is either Brentford or Ipswich at the moment. As you probably know now, he is training with Brentford in an effort to secure a deal, although he isn't going on their pre-season tour.

Pochettino does not have disruptive influences on the training ground, any such individual is removed quickly and shipped out the club.

My guess and this is just a guess, is that Poch asked him to show him he is worth a place on the training field and that Edwards still feels he is entitled and talented so doesn't have to prove anything to anyone.

Many of our fans believe a player must play to show what he can do, but a coach sees players every day and you are employed to train. He has to prove on the training pitch that you are worth a place in the team and when you do get picked, it is up to you to then show why you shouldn't be dropped.

It seems to me that Mr Attitude isn't prepared to do that and isn't prepared to wait for a chance. He still has a lot of growing up and maturing to do."

 

[Saoirse]

That's that then. If it's even half true he's simply incapable of learning a lesson and is going to end up going the way of John Bostock.

 

[Locotoro]

That's that then. If it's even half true he's simply incapable of learning a lesson and is going to end up going the way of John Bostock.

i think that's harsh on Bostock. The kid never had a bad attitude. It was just too high an expectation on him too soon.

Much like some of our current youth prospects.

 

[mancman]

I could be wrong, but am I right in saying that Marcus Edwards has been the topic of the most comments in the last 3 years on this excellent Youth site? I think we need to move on. Marcus ( a very gifted player) has sadly lost the plot. I do hope he succeeds at Brentford (or wherever) but I have real doubts. Hope he proves me wrong but like Ravel Morrison (just joined Sheffield U) his mentality seems to be a real problem.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

My two penneth on Marcus and the academy. I think it’s all a little sad there was a real excitement about him when he first played for the u18s. People have been quick to blame him and I always questioned how to get him more involved in games but isn’t that the role of the coaches? II and I think a few others question is the collective taking the precedent over the really talented? For me this the second player in a relatively short space of time who I think we have kind of let down . For me whilst the emphasis at Tottenham has been very much on developing the team perhaps the individual talent hasn’t found the opportunities to shine and maybe the development programme and the coaches need a small rethink.. Though having said all that all youth coaches are looking for the special one but the environment and the acceptance that to allow that perhaps the collective suffers

 

[Hercules]

Marcus always has had a very rotten attitude, and got him into all kind of issues with other academy kids. Neither can his parents be blamed. He had an absolute outstanding opportunity at Norwich, and lived lavish, with massive attitude problems. And caused all kind of issues with Norwich. Lots more can be said, but don’t blame the club, or staff. He is still too bone headed.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I don’t think you can blame the club on all aspects but I do question is the way in which the development side of things accommodates the potential more talented players with perhaps a different skill set to the players who fit easily into the team structure

 

[coys200]

I’m not denying Chelsea are still ahead of us but the gap has closed in regards to attracting young players. Pochettino (although a bit of a myth) plus the training facility must be a big attraction. But then I have no idea how the whole incentive to parents stuff works and what lengths Chelsea may go to. But the fact that their loan operation is a massive organisation for them I would imagine will see them go to some lengths to secure a young player.

 

[Blake Griffin]

I don’t think you can blame the club on all aspects but I do question is the way in which the development side of things accommodates the potential more talented players with perhaps a different skill set to the players who fit easily into the team structure

as evidenced by bowden and white who are with the first team whilst the likes of a.shashoua, maghoma, markanday, bennett etc are with the u23s. not to take anything away from the first two as they are good players themselves but they are certainly of the less thrills variety than the others.

 

[spud]

The debate about our treatment of more talented players is interesting but ultimately futile because, unless we're with them every day, we don't know how individual players behave and, most importantly, what is between their ears.

I wasn't a bad player as a kid, and possibly could have made a living from the game; four of my local contemporaries, who were on the same level as me, or possibly below, played in what was then Division 1. But they, and I, were nothing compared to one lad who had everything. He was magnificently talented and could literally do anything. On top of that, he listened to his coaches and worked tirelessly for the team. He was on Spurs books and was a star in his age group. I was sure he would play for England. But he didn't make it. Why? Nobody apart from him and the Spurs coaches at the time really know, but I suspect that he just didn't have 'the right attitude', whatever that is. 'Mental toughness'? 'A winning mentality?'

The most talented players don't necessarily get to the top. The biggest part in realising the dream of being a Premier League or international footballer isn't what skill you have or even how you apply it. That is a vital base but it is only a start. The most important thing is what pushes you; your drive and determination. For want of a better expression, your 'heart'. The fact that you will make it no matter what; nothing will stop you from achieving your dream. You can be as talented as Messi, but without that you'll be playing in a pub team.

We all had high hopes for Marcus Edwards, but it looks like it won't happen for him. There are no doubt a number of contributory factors but, ultimately, it's because of him.

 

[spurs9]

as evidenced by bowden and white who are with the first team whilst the likes of a.shashoua, maghoma, markanday, bennett etc are with the u23s. not to take anything away from the first two as they are good players themselves but they are certainly of the less thrills variety than the others.

Disagree with that, its all to do with which 1st team players are available IMO. We aren't missing any attacking players yet are missing 2 CMs/DMs (Dier & Wanyama).

If you look at the squad we are taking, we have 7 AMs of which 2 are youth players (Roles and Georgiou). We are taking 7 CMs of which 4 are youth players (Skipp, Marsh, White and Bowden.

Add the fact that we are taking 0 LBs and White has played there a few times, it makes perfect sense as cover, even if I don't expect him to play there (KWP will and possibly Georgiou would be ahead of White).

 

[Blake Griffin]

Disagree with that, its all to do with which 1st team players are available IMO. We aren't missing any attacking players yet are missing 2 CMs/DMs (Dier & Wanyama).

If you look at the squad we are taking, we have 7 AMs of which 2 are youth players (Roles and Georgiou). We are taking 7 CMs of which 4 are youth players (Skipp, Marsh, White and Bowden.

Add the fact that we are taking 0 LBs and White has played there a few times, it makes perfect sense as cover, even if I don't expect him to play there (KWP will and possibly Georgiou would be ahead of White).

there have been times during the past season or two where the first team have had a complete dearth of attacking players available and yet poch has still gone with skipp, marsh etc. poch favours these plug in and play no fuss players, i don't know why some are reluctant to see that. the more expressive players need to do more compared to those mentioned, i would count a.shashoua and maghoma as centre mids by the way but no surprise to see bowden and white preferred. i have nothing against the latter two and see both as good prospects but it's clear to me that the simpler your game is as a youth player the more likely you are to be considered for some form of first team involvement.

i would also count eriksen and dele within the cm group if we are to switch to more of a 433 shape as you've recently suggested.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

there have been times during the past season or two where the first team have had a complete dearth of attacking players available and yet poch has still gone with skipp, marsh etc. poch favours these plug in and play no fuss players, i don't know why some are reluctant to see that. the more expressive players need to do more compared to those mentioned, i would count a.shashoua and maghoma as centre mids by the way but no surprise to see bowden and white preferred. i have nothing against the latter two and see both as good prospects but it's clear to me that the simpler your game is as a youth player the more likely you are to be considered for some form of first team involvement.

i would also count eriksen and dele within the cm group if we are to switch to more of a 433 shape as you've recently suggested.

didn't maghoma's father stated on twitter that youth attacking players have to be "very special" to get a chance?

 

[therhinospeaks]

didn't maghoma's father stated on twitter that youth attacking players have to be "very special" to get a chance?

In one ear out the other with when it comes to that bloke.

 

[dondo]

Really looking forward to see parrott and roles in the team

Think it probably to early for Parrott as he has only just turn 17 iirc?
Looking forward to hopefully seeing a bit of Roles in preseason, without knowing to much about him he does have a great scoring record from midfield in the youth sides