The NFL Thread

[Spriggan]

Im so curious about the draft

Why cant they just have a transfer window and they can buy and sell?

Also I seriously dont get this... so the NFL draft, as far as im understanding but could be totally ignorant, is about getting college players... how the fuck do fans know who is the best and who is the worst? how can they be so excited about players?

I mean imagine Spurs getting in a few youth players from college or whatever - no one would bat an eye lid

GO HAWKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS you shits.

College football is almost a religion over here. I had similar thoughts when I first moved here 30 years ago. The draft still makes me scratch my head, it's so quintessentially socialist, leveling the playing field and all that, so un-American

 

[yankspurs]

The Jon Gruden/Mike Mayock tandem is so perfect. I hope it never ends

No one can be surprised. These are the guys that kicked the scouts out of the room a week ago

 

[yankspurs]

Hahaha. Lol Giants. The Giants and Raiders are so perfectly incompetent. Love them

 

[felmani26]

Hahaha. Lol Giants. The Giants and Raiders are so perfectly incompetent. Love them

I'm the first one to knock the Raiders and yes, I would have thought Josh Allen would be the preference over Ferrell but he's still a solid pick coupled with a great attitude that fits into the Gruden narrative.

Jacobs fills a massive need at RB and is the undoubted top back in this years draft along with Abram at Safety - all starters.

For me, i'm really pleased with how we've tackled the first round and i'm absolutely glad we didn't go for a QB.

 

['O Zio]

Im so curious about the draft

Why cant they just have a transfer window and they can buy and sell?

Also I seriously dont get this... so the NFL draft, as far as im understanding but could be totally ignorant, is about getting college players... how the fuck do fans know who is the best and who is the worst? how can they be so excited about players?

I mean imagine Spurs getting in a few youth players from college or whatever - no one would bat an eye lid

GO HAWKSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS you shits.

The draft is an attempt to keep the league competitive so in theory it stops you ending up with a leagues like in "soccer"/football there are 1 or 2 teams who just win everything all the time. Obviously you still get teams who manage to have sustained periods of success (see the Patriots under Brady/Bellichick) but it's not like how Juve or Bayern or PSG are, for example, because statistically it is always going to come to an end at some point. The teams are all equal partners in the league so theoretically the rules are designed not to favour any teams over the others.

Regarding college football, people know because it's absolutely massive. NFL games are mostly on Sundays and college football is on Saturdays. Due to how many college teams there are and the various time differences, there is college football on TV across multiple channels pretty much from 10am until midnight if you're on the east coast. The main games get watch by millions of people on TV and the stadiums are packed to the rafters. There are dozens of college games every week wekk attendences well over 50k people, some of them even get over 100k people. I think of the 10 biggest stadiums in the US, something like 7 of them are college football stadiums. There are even parts of the country (the SE in particular) where college football is bigger and more popular than the NFL.

I suppose it partly comes down to a) fans know that the college players will be feeding into the NFL at some point so take more of an interest but b) the fact that there's really only 1 league (the NFL) means that college football sort of takes the place of things like the Championship, La Liga etc. in the sense that OK not every casual PL fan follows european/championship football, but people who are big football fans will know what's going on in SPain, Italy, Germany etc. to a certain degree. College football is kind of like that but much bigger still. So when you say noone would bat an eyelid at spurs buying someone from a uni team, and you're probably right, but it's more comparible to Spurs buying someone from La Liga or something, just that they hapen to all be young

 

[SE Spurs]

Haskins and Sweat in first round for Washington. Wont make any difference, we'll be crap again this year. QB was necessary though, have doubts Alex Smith will make it back. Leaving Case Keenum and Colt McCoy.....hmmmmm.

 

[cwy21]

Im so curious about the draft

Why cant they just have a transfer window and they can buy and sell?

The drafts in American sports are key to keeping teams mostly balanced. The worst teams get the first chance to draft the best players. Even though the teams are owned by billionaires who took advantage of modern capitalism, American sports are pretty much socialism. The money you can spend is capped, the worst teams get perks to get better (earlier picks in the draft and an easier schedule), and the best teams get worse picks and a tougher schedule. It's one of the reasons the Patriots 18 year run is so impressive. American sports are designed to prevent dynasties and dominating teams.

 

[yankspurs]

I'm the first one to knock the Raiders and yes, I would have thought Josh Allen would be the preference over Ferrell but he's still a solid pick coupled with a great attitude that fits into the Gruden narrative.

Jacobs fills a massive need at RB and is the undoubted top back in this years draft along with Abram at Safety - all starters.

For me, i'm really pleased with how we've tackled the first round and i'm absolutely glad we didn't go for a QB.

The problem with the Ferrell pick is he would have been there in the 20’s. At which point, if you were getting nervous then you could have dealt one of the 2 picks there with a 4th or 5th to move up a few spots. Jacobs was a good pick for you, though.

 

[tobi]

These teams love to drag out these picks.

During first hour only four picks were official, I permanently switched over to the NBA game.

 

[gp13tot]

Redskins smashed the 1st round. Loved the Sweat pick. Just need everyone to stay healthy for a change and hope Haskins is the man.

Oh and we need 2 wr's, a te, 2 o line and another edge guy and a running back with our remaining picks. Maybe 3 wr's.

 

[JCRD]

College football is almost a religion over here. I had similar thoughts when I first moved here 30 years ago. The draft still makes me scratch my head, it's so quintessentially socialist, leveling the playing field and all that, so un-American

The draft is an attempt to keep the league competitive so in theory it stops you ending up with a leagues like in "soccer"/football there are 1 or 2 teams who just win everything all the time. Obviously you still get teams who manage to have sustained periods of success (see the Patriots under Brady/Bellichick) but it's not like how Juve or Bayern or PSG are, for example, because statistically it is always going to come to an end at some point. The teams are all equal partners in the league so theoretically the rules are designed not to favour any teams over the others.

Regarding college football, people know because it's absolutely massive. NFL games are mostly on Sundays and college football is on Saturdays. Due to how many college teams there are and the various time differences, there is college football on TV across multiple channels pretty much from 10am until midnight if you're on the east coast. The main games get watch by millions of people on TV and the stadiums are packed to the rafters. There are dozens of college games every week wekk attendences well over 50k people, some of them even get over 100k people. I think of the 10 biggest stadiums in the US, something like 7 of them are college football stadiums. There are even parts of the country (the SE in particular) where college football is bigger and more popular than the NFL.

I suppose it partly comes down to a) fans know that the college players will be feeding into the NFL at some point so take more of an interest but b) the fact that there's really only 1 league (the NFL) means that college football sort of takes the place of things like the Championship, La Liga etc. in the sense that OK not every casual PL fan follows european/championship football, but people who are big football fans will know what's going on in SPain, Italy, Germany etc. to a certain degree. College football is kind of like that but much bigger still. So when you say noone would bat an eyelid at spurs buying someone from a uni team, and you're probably right, but it's more comparible to Spurs buying someone from La Liga or something, just that they hapen to all be young

The drafts in American sports are key to keeping teams mostly balanced. The worst teams get the first chance to draft the best players. Even though the teams are owned by billionaires who took advantage of modern capitalism, American sports are pretty much socialism. The money you can spend is capped, the worst teams get perks to get better (earlier picks in the draft and an easier schedule), and the best teams get worse picks and a tougher schedule. It's one of the reasons the Patriots 18 year run is so impressive. American sports are designed to prevent dynasties and dominating teams.

Thanks all except Spriggan he/she offered NADA

It is a very socialist sport, most American sports are based on your summaries.

I recognise that college sport is huge, you can just tell by their stadia and the facilities they have - puts most football clubs to shame... just didnt really appreciate how huge it actually is and how fans have knowledge of the players involved in college sport.

Its quite difficult to grasp from the outsiders perspective particularly where football is all about transfers, promotion/relegation etc. Over there its about money first and foremost and seems a bit not fake but superficial with them being called franchises and moving about eg Rams... imagine if Spurs moved to Manchester? Im digressing but it is pretty fascinating to learn about American sports.

 

['O Zio]

Thanks all except Spriggan he/she offered NADA

It is a very socialist sport, most American sports are based on your summaries.

I recognise that college sport is huge, you can just tell by their stadia and the facilities they have - puts most football clubs to shame... just didnt really appreciate how huge it actually is and how fans have knowledge of the players involved in college sport.

Its quite difficult to grasp from the outsiders perspective particularly where football is all about transfers, promotion/relegation etc. Over there its about money first and foremost and seems a bit not fake but superficial with them being called franchises and moving about eg Rams... imagine if Spurs moved to Manchester? Im digressing but it is pretty fascinating to learn about American sports.

I might also just add that quite a lot of the armchair experts sort of cheat too. As I've said, college football is massive so people generally do know the main players, especially the ones who will be draft-eligible at the end of the year. However, in the build-up to the draft all the sports radio shows/newspapers/TV shows etc. etc. all have loads of features on the upcoming draft and will show clips and provide analysis of various players, especially those likely to be picked in the first couple of rounds. All the pundits post their "Mock Drafts" as well where they'll go through and predict who they think each team will pick one by one.

The result of all this is that even if you've never watched a game of college football in your life, you can fake it enough to post some opinion about it on Twitter or whatever just by watching ESPN or Fox Sports for half an hour and regurgitating what they've said. So I'd suggest that not everyone who has these strong opinions one way or another necessarily knows as much about it as they like to make out. Some do, some don't. The same as how when someone posts in the ITK forum on here about some random Ligue 1 player and al of a sudden you've got 30 people who all claim that he either is or isn't the answer to our problems. Have all of them watched that guy all season in Ligue 1? Some of them will, but some of them probably just googled him and watched some youtube clips to make themselves sound clever

 

[LSUY]

Just how bad are the NYG first round picks and what are they trying to do long term?

If anyone knows the answer to this can they please contact the NYG's front office as they would like to know too.

 

[Dirty Ewok]

Just how bad are the NYG first round picks and what are they trying to do long term?

No one will know until the guys hit the field.

That said, i saw one "draft expert" say that he didn't understand why anyone would draft Jones in any round let alone the first round. Others seemed to think he was a late first round pick at best and possibly third round pick in general.

Based on the "experts" it seems like the Daniel Jones pick was a classic overthink pick.

Murray was seen as something special which is why he was drafted #1.

Haskins kept being described as having a great arm, being able to make all throws, having a good understanding of how to work an offense, ability to move in the pocket. Pretty much a prototype QB but not nessisarily an overly exciting pick, just a guy who could do as advertised.

Jones seems to have been a guy that some people (the Giants) were high on and others very much cool on. Seems like he moves better than Haskins but not even as close to as well as Murray and has worse arm and judgement than Haskins.

The Giants went with the guy they liked (Jones) over the guy who seemed like he could step in immediately and do what was advertised (Haskins).

I think the biggest knock the Giants are going to get from the pick is that they spent the #6 pick on him. They could have drafted Josh Allen (who was regarded as one of the top edge rushers in the draft) or Ed Oliver or Christian Wilkins (top DTs) or Devin Bush (one of the best LBs in the draft) at the #6 slot and still would have likely had Jones on the board at #17 where they ended up taking Dexter Lawerence (who i like but don't think is as much of an impact DT as Wilkins or Oliver). They then traded up to draft Deandre Baker (who i also like) who lots of people felt was the #3 corner in the draft (with the #1 and #2 CBs still available).

 

[LSUY]

Happy with the Steelers pick. We probably gave up too much for Bush but it was a position that's been problematic for years. With the picking up of Mark Barron as well our depth at ILB looks a hell of a lot better than it did a year ago.

 

[edson]

No one will know until the guys hit the field.

That said, i saw one "draft expert" say that he didn't understand why anyone would draft Jones in any round let alone the first round. Others seemed to think he was a late first round pick at best and possibly third round pick in general.

Based on the "experts" it seems like the Daniel Jones pick was a classic overthink pick.

Murray was seen as something special which is why he was drafted #1.

Haskins kept being described as having a great arm, being able to make all throws, having a good understanding of how to work an offense, ability to move in the pocket. Pretty much a prototype QB but not nessisarily an overly exciting pick, just a guy who could do as advertised.

Jones seems to have been a guy that some people (the Giants) were high on and others very much cool on. Seems like he moves better than Haskins but not even as close to as well as Murray and has worse arm and judgement than Haskins.

The Giants went with the guy they liked (Jones) over the guy who seemed like he could step in immediately and do what was advertised (Haskins).

I think the biggest knock the Giants are going to get from the pick is that they spent the #6 pick on him. They could have drafted Josh Allen (who was regarded as one of the top edge rushers in the draft) or Ed Oliver or Christian Wilkins (top DTs) or Devin Bush (one of the best LBs in the draft) at the #6 slot and still would have likely had Jones on the board at #17 where they ended up taking Dexter Lawerence (who i like but don't think is as much of an impact DT as Wilkins or Oliver). They then traded up to draft Deandre Baker (who i also like) who lots of people felt was the #3 corner in the draft (with the #1 and #2 CBs still available).

Thanks for the info,Looks like the Giants are getting everything wrong at this point in time.

 

[Dirty Ewok]

The Cardinals apparently only started shopping Josh Rosen 5 minutes before the draft started (and only told Rosen he was being shopped moments before they drafted Murray) and were demanding a 1st round pick in return.

Now they are saying that since they have no leverage they are hoping to get a 2nd or 3rd round pick today for Rosen.

Hope my Pats pick him up and fleece the Cards.

 

[JCRD]

I might also just add that quite a lot of the armchair experts sort of cheat too. As I've said, college football is massive so people generally do know the main players, especially the ones who will be draft-eligible at the end of the year. However, in the build-up to the draft all the sports radio shows/newspapers/TV shows etc. etc. all have loads of features on the upcoming draft and will show clips and provide analysis of various players, especially those likely to be picked in the first couple of rounds. All the pundits post their "Mock Drafts" as well where they'll go through and predict who they think each team will pick one by one.

The result of all this is that even if you've never watched a game of college football in your life, you can fake it enough to post some opinion about it on Twitter or whatever just by watching ESPN or Fox Sports for half an hour and regurgitating what they've said. So I'd suggest that not everyone who has these strong opinions one way or another necessarily knows as much about it as they like to make out. Some do, some don't. The same as how when someone posts in the ITK forum on here about some random Ligue 1 player and al of a sudden you've got 30 people who all claim that he either is or isn't the answer to our problems. Have all of them watched that guy all season in Ligue 1? Some of them will, but some of them probably just googled him and watched some youtube clips to make themselves sound clever

Now I know who my go to guy is for NFL stuff - man im going to annoy youuuuuuuuuuuuu haha

Thats really informative man... ive only really gotten into NFL last couple of years and like Game of Thrones, I love watching it but dont have a damn clue what is going on tactically...

 

[werty]

Sound like the Dolphins will be trading their 2nd round pick for him. Worth the risk I guess

 

[Dirty Ewok]

Sound like the Dolphins will be trading their 2nd round pick for him. Worth the risk I guess