The Kyle Walker-Peters Thread

[Ron Burgundy]

He's a really skillful player. Honestly I reckon he'd have done better than some of our half fit midfielders if given a crack, and I can't think he'd have done any worse than Trippier

He should play vs. Bournemouth

 

[Tucker]

He probably is overhyped, I'll give you that. But I think the thing for me is that the way Poch wants the fullbacks to play, Trippier has never been suited to. Even at his best he was still unsuitable for the role. Therefore I think a lot of people, myself included, would rather see KWP given a chance, especially wit hhow poorly Trippier has been all season I suppose the question is whether KWP could do any worse. Admittedly, the answer may be yes, a lot worse, but it seems odd that a player who has shown quite a lot of potential in the games he has been given, seems to be almost frozen out of the team at times, with us choosing to play e.g. Foyth out of position at RB rather than give KWP a chance. Just seems a bit odd. Especially when you consider that Foyth is actually younger than KWP as well so it's not even a case of not wanting to chuck a young player into the frying pan.

It just seems a bit weird the way KWP has been treated by the club.

He has had a couple of decent performances yes, but there’s clearly a reason Poch is playing a younger centre back in his position. He’d have been getting regular minutes in the last few weeks if he was ready to play for Spurs. The fact that he hasn’t shows that he’s not rated.

I’ve not seen enough of him to say if he’s good enough or if he has much potential, but Poch works with him every day and there’s obviously some issue.

I don’t expect him to be in the squad next season, he’ll either be sold, or he will go on a loan.

 

[beats1]

KWP could even have been an option to play right midfield while we have had so many injuries but he hasn't even been given a chance there. Real mixed messages from Poch on this one. New contract, regular squad place and won't loan him out, but then refuses to play him. Very strange situation.

You strange messages but Poch hasn't shown that he can bring through youth players.

Yes he is a great manager, especially at developing young players but so is mourinho, that doesn't mean they are great at developing academy prospects. We had some of the best prospects in the country when he took over and not one has kicked on.

 

[andy00900]

You strange messages but Poch hasn't shown that he can bring through youth players.

Yes he is a great manager, especially at developing young players but so is mourinho, that doesn't mean they are great at developing academy prospects. We had some of the best prospects in the country when he took over and not one has kicked on.

Our youth coaches seem to change every year which probably doesnt help, but even in cup games there could be more youth focus from poch

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

You strange messages but Poch hasn't shown that he can bring through youth players.

Yes he is a great manager, especially at developing young players but so is mourinho, that doesn't mean they are great at developing academy prospects. We had some of the best prospects in the country when he took over and not one has kicked on.

Winks?

 

[Blake Griffin]

Winks?

that's one player in five years, i'd imagine even the most anti-youth of managers have a similar return. we spend a lot on the academy so questions need to be asked somewhere, either we're not producing good enough players or they're not being given the necessary chances.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

that's one player in five years, i'd imagine even the most anti-youth of managers have a similar return. we spend a lot on the academy so questions need to be asked somewhere, either we're not producing good enough players or they're not being given the necessary chances.

Personally think we haven’t produced good enough ones from the latest batch.

Have higher hopes for next group coming up though.

 

[punkisback]

that's one player in five years, i'd imagine even the most anti-youth of managers have a similar return. we spend a lot on the academy so questions need to be asked somewhere, either we're not producing good enough players or they're not being given the necessary chances.

We're not producing good enough players; Skipp is supposed to be our standout yet a lot of other team's have youths who far surpass him and play for the England youth teams.

 

[Blake Griffin]

We're not producing good enough players; Skipp is supposed to be our standout yet a lot of other team's have youths who far surpass him and play for the England youth teams.

international recognition is a decent barometer for talent but not a perfect one, kwp has been involved with england for years but people don't think he's good enough, yet they'd like us to spend big money on wan-bissaka or aarons - neither of which were being picked for their respective age groups until they started playing first team football. onomah and edwards were stars for successful england sides and they've gone nowhere, could still happen for them but it's not looking likely now. the problem is that if a highly rated player doesn't come through then they take the blame but if they do then it's the manager that gets the credit so poch is never going to take any criticism either way.

we will see on skipp, imo he is a quality player and is well ahead of where winks was at the same age.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

that's one player in five years, i'd imagine even the most anti-youth of managers have a similar return. we spend a lot on the academy so questions need to be asked somewhere, either we're not producing good enough players or they're not being given the necessary chances.

You said 'not one had kicked on' though. Which is obviously a massive exaggeration.

Poch is happy to integrate youth prospects has we have seen with Onomah, KWP, Winks, Carters-Vickers, Mason (to a lesser extent), Skipp etc... it's up to them to then gain his trust. Winks definitely done that as every time he was tested - domestic cups, europa league, friendlies etc.. he was one of the best players on the pitch. And has therefore now become an integral part of the senior squad. Others such as Onomah and Carter-Vickers just couldn't bring their youth team form to senior level and have rightly been sent out on loan. KWP has shown flashes of ability but also made major errors (Barcelona away and southampton away) and seems to still have a bit of work to gain the managers trust.

At the level we're playing at sentiment can't come into anymore.

 

[Blake Griffin]

You said 'not one had kicked on' though. Which is obviously a massive exaggeration.

Poch is happy to integrate youth prospects has we have seen with Onomah, KWP, Winks, Carters-Vickers, Mason (to a lesser extent), Skipp etc... it's up to them to then gain his trust. Winks definitely done that as every time he was tested - domestic cups, europa league, friendlies etc.. he was one of the best players on the pitch. And has therefore now become an integral part of the senior squad. Others such as Onomah and Carter-Vickers just couldn't bring their youth team form to senior level and have rightly been sent out on loan. KWP has shown flashes of ability but also made major errors (Barcelona away and southampton away) and seems to still have a bit of work to gain the managers trust.

At the level we're playing at sentiment can't come into anymore.

i haven't said anything, it was @beats1's post you responded to.

"kicked on" is a bit of a subjective term but i imagine he meant kick on from youth team player to 1st team player and in poch's five years at the club the only one to do that is winks. like i said though, if no players come through then poch won't take any blame so he can't really lose.

 

[beats1]

You said 'not one had kicked on' though. Which is obviously a massive exaggeration.

Poch is happy to integrate youth prospects has we have seen with Onomah, KWP, Winks, Carters-Vickers, Mason (to a lesser extent), Skipp etc... it's up to them to then gain his trust. Winks definitely done that as every time he was tested - domestic cups, europa league, friendlies etc.. he was one of the best players on the pitch. And has therefore now become an integral part of the senior squad. Others such as Onomah and Carter-Vickers just couldn't bring their youth team form to senior level and have rightly been sent out on loan. KWP has shown flashes of ability but also made major errors (Barcelona away and southampton away) and seems to still have a bit of work to gain the managers trust.

At the level we're playing at sentiment can't come into anymore.

I totally forgot about winks, but one in five years is poor

Sometimes, giving a player a real chance, will often bring out the best of him. Rashford was 4th choice U23 striker behind keane, Wilson and Fletcher. Yet because of rooney getting injured, he was given a chance of playing. With us we would have played players out of position and as long as they are first team players.

This doesn't come out of sentiment. We are struggling to sign players, so surely we should at least trying to be develop our younger players. Which we aren't. We are also running our squad to the ground by overplaying them imo. We often look tired and not committed.

Im not saying make the whole team, full of youth players but surely more than 1 should have sufficed. If anything these players should be ingrained with the poch style of play and using them to do a job. Pep and fergie, both used academy players because he knew they would be doing what he wanted from them not necessarily because they were more talented. Especially Fergie, he turned poor players in to squad players who did a job for the team. Poch hasn't shown he can do this yet.

Also winks, was at the time being advised to leave the club due to lack of chances.

Now the problem I have, is that people can never acknowledge he hasn't done well in this regard. Fair enough, he has given token minutes to players every now and again but that hasn't actually resulted in much. Its like Mourinho always turning around saying the academy players aren't good enough, yet he does get criticised for this.

We have had around 8/9 players play RB in Poch's tenure, this is a failure of the academy, scouting department and poch. However KWP should be getting more of a chance especially when he has done well in his cameo's and we have no RB's. I have no problems with playing Foyth against Sterling, who is playing like one of the best wingers in the world however when we need a goal, KWP should be coming on at RB otherwise why have him at the club.

 

[scat1620]

I totally forgot about winks, but one in five years is poor

Sometimes, giving a player a real chance, will often bring out the best of him. Rashford was 4th choice U23 striker behind keane, Wilson and Fletcher. Yet because of rooney getting injured, he was given a chance of playing. With us we would have played players out of position and as long as they are first team players.

This doesn't come out of sentiment. We are struggling to sign players, so surely we should at least trying to be develop our younger players. Which we aren't. We are also running our squad to the ground by overplaying them imo. We often look tired and not committed.

Im not saying make the whole team, full of youth players but surely more than 1 should have sufficed. If anything these players should be ingrained with the poch style of play and using them to do a job. Pep and fergie, both used academy players because he knew they would be doing what he wanted from them not necessarily because they were more talented. Especially Fergie, he turned poor players in to squad players who did a job for the team. Poch hasn't shown he can do this yet.

Also winks, was at the time being advised to leave the club due to lack of chances.

Now the problem I have, is that people can never acknowledge he hasn't done well in this regard. Fair enough, he has given token minutes to players every now and again but that hasn't actually resulted in much. Its like Mourinho always turning around saying the academy players aren't good enough, yet he does get criticised for this.

We have had around 8/9 players play RB in Poch's tenure, this is a failure of the academy, scouting department and poch. However KWP should be getting more of a chance especially when he has done well in his cameo's and we have no RB's. I have no problems with playing Foyth against Sterling, who is playing like one of the best wingers in the world however when we need a goal, KWP should be coming on at RB otherwise why have him at the club.

I can't see how anyone could possibly argue against a single sentence of that post. Our failure on this front is undeniable IMO.

 

[blackburn]

I can't see how anyone could possibly argue against a single sentence of that post. Our failure on this front is undeniable IMO.

I'll argue against it.

Poch, his staff and the rest of the squad spend hours together every week on the training ground, from there the best players are selected. Does anybody really believe that KWP is the best RB in training yet Poch refuses to pick him?

Professional football is brutal, the competition intense, KWP may prove me wrong and go on to be a great RB at a top club but I'll be amazed if that happens.

 

[nailsy]

I'll argue against it.

Poch, his staff and the rest of the squad spend hours together every week on the training ground, from there the best players are selected. Does anybody really believe that KWP is the best RB in training yet Poch refuses to pick him?

Professional football is brutal, the competition intense, KWP may prove me wrong and go on to be a great RB at a top club but I'll be amazed if that happens.

But he doesn't have to be the best to get a game. Trippier needs a rest. He's the next available right back and presumably he's not bad in training or Poch wouldn't have praised him earlier in the season. You must be able to see why people are asking why he doesn't get a game? Personally I can see why he didn't get on in the Champions League Semi Final when he's barely featured all season, but for some of the other games it does seem a bit strange.

He's a really skillful player. Honestly I reckon he'd have done better than some of our half fit midfielders if given a crack, and I can't think he'd have done any worse than Trippier

He should play vs. Bournemouth

If he doesn't play against Bournemouth when we really need to rest some players before one of the biggest games in our history then he's never going to get a game.

 

[blackburn]

We need to ask ourselves if he leaves in the summer who'd be in for him? There's no secrets in football, every player is scouted and assessed to the nth degree. I'd love him to be a top player but he's not, he's at the level of players like Naughton and we've left that behind.

 

[ardiles]

If Poch doesn’t want to use him at RB, I wonder whether he could be taught and converted as a right sided midfielder in the off season.

 

[sparx100]

He is clearly not trusted as Poch has shown by deploying Foyth ahead of him. KWP is 22 years old which is not old but I would have thought he would have played more games by now if rated by Poch.

Trippier and Aurier have both been dog wank this season yet still Poch plays them time and time again.

I really want to see him play. He has made a few mistakes but is inexperienced in the premiership. Its also fair to say that he has created and assisted in goals in his limited appearancesm With Toby going as well most likely in the summer he is also losing out on the chance of gaining playing experience alongside an excellent centre back. Would much rather we give him a chance than spend amassive qedge of budget on anothe right back.

 

[Hakkz]

We need to ask ourselves if he leaves in the summer who'd be in for him? There's no secrets in football, every player is scouted and assessed to the nth degree. I'd love him to be a top player but he's not, he's at the level of players like Naughton and we've left that behind.

If he's as useless as you say, and that Poch apparently finds him as well, then why the fuck would we sign him up to a new contract?

 

[Westmorlandspur]

If he's as useless as you say, and that Poch apparently finds him as well, then why the fuck would we sign him up to a new contract?

To get a better fee when we sell him.