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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - Shakedown! 13th January 2015

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CoopsieDeadpool

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I keep reading that Ings can play as a wide forward or attacking midfielder but when has there been any evidence of this. I've never seen him play anywhere but as a central striker, and then, mostly in a 442. He's direct and full of hustle bustle, but we could do with some craft and guile. I don't thin his hold up play and ability to bring in others or create for others is great.

We already have players like Chadli who are doing that kind of job. We need more craft, not more battering rams.

Why does everyone think Ings would be a great signing or that he's so versatile ? Genuine question, give me some examples of why you think this.


And on the subject of Mitchell, I'm not blown away by Pelè either.


Because it appears he's actually someone who the manager wants, and our chief scout wants because he suits what the manager has asked for?

Surely that's the only reason anyone should need?

There's a reason we have such a disjointed squad, because we don't seem to have been spending money on players who actually suit what the manager wants or expects from his players. It's time that stopped, and if Ings is indeed someone who has been identified by Poch & Mitchell, we should be happy enough if we actually sign the lad. No?
 

codspur

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Theoretical quaetion....If (as many people on here seem to be suggesting) Aaron Lennon is now just a shit Aaron Lennon does that not make him a Theo Walcott therefore in the eyes of the media increasing his potential sale value?
 

mjay

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Under Jol Bale started the majority of games he played as a left winger with either Lee Young-Pyo or BAE at LB. He did play LB at Southampton but also played LW for them. Jol certainly saw him as an attacking player. It was Redknapp who moved him back to LB at Spurs and only an injury to Kranjaer saw him move forward.

I think Redknapp's first match as manager was the 4-4 draw against Arsenal and if I am not mistaken Bale played as a LW.
 

mil1lion

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I'm not too fussed whether Ings can play as a wide attacker. I'm more interested in how he can play up front as a lone centre forward. He certainly shows the industry needed to play that role. I think he has to be considered as competition for Harry and also an option to partner him in a front 2. The wide positions need to be treated seperately, not necessarily in this window if the right players are not available. I would be satisfied with a centre back and centre forward this window and then we can look at maybe a creative centre midfielder, 1 or 2 wide attackers and possibly a 3rd centre forward. Anything more than 2 new signings is wishful thinking for this month but maybe a couple signings now and a few in the summer is all we need to push on.
 

SHaRD

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Yes, absolutely. Loads of us were saying from there get go that he's an attacker not a defender, should be played as a winger not a left back because he doesn't relish defending, he only wants to go forwards.
I don't get the automatic assumption that because he has pace and an eye for a goal that he has the attributes to play as a wide forward. You need to have some guile, the ability to change pace and direction etc. He may have pace but does he have a change of pace ?
What is this good link up play you speak of ?
I just don't get why people are watching the Ings that plays CF in a CF2 for Burnley and thinking he could play as a wide forward. I haven't seen anything in Ings that suggests he'd be better than any players we have for those roles. Chadli blows him away productivity wise, in fewer minutes on the pitch he's got more gaols and assists and has been playing as a wide forward where Ings has been playing as a CF. Same Kane. Even Eriksen has scored more goals and sees about three ties as much ball as Ings a game.
I can only really see a case for Ings as a striker, and why would he want to come to play back up to Kane ?

I think it's because he's a clone of Jay Rodriguez, and that's how Poch used him

We also have 3 CFs at the moment, but only 1 LWF, so that's a more immediate need and a position he could more gently be eased in at.
 

CowInAComa

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If these guys have been identified because they fit the bill by our top scout and poch, that's good enough for me.

Can't say I have seen fuck all of ings and Reid personally.
 

Lufti

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Remember it well, Redknapp had only taken the mantle the night before and was watching in the stands

No, he was definitely out there, I distinctly remember because I hadn't realised Ramos had been sacked until just before the game and everyone was getting the 'Harry, give us a wave' and 'Harry Redknapp's blue and white army' chants going
 

Farms14

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So it looks like Kaboul has fallen out with many members of the team and it looks like most of the players do not respect the "Captain". He needs to leave this month!!

Lennon to Sunderland I think would be a good deal all around. I think we would get a decent fee from Sunderland bearing in mind they wanted to spend 14mil on Borini :woot:. Lennon would get good wages and he would also be joining one of his buddies too!!!
 

HappySpur

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He's been around so long, it's hard for me to contemplate Lennon leaving. It feels odd

If he were to leave, has he earned a testimonial by this being his 10th season? Or does he need to see it out to get that?

The other wierd thing to think about him possibly moving is that if we get say *7m for him, we would make a 6m profit on his transfer fees. Not a lot of 1m players that make it to 10 years and play well over 350 matches. And he's just 27.

*this is a number that I am just making up and wouldn't include Aaron's portion of the transfer or any legal fees. But it's not like anybody would argue such a thing in an act of utter pedantic puerility
 
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rossdapep

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He's been around so long, it's hard for me to contemplate Lennon leaving. It feels odd

If he were to leave, has he earned a testimonial by this being his 10th season? Or does he need to see it out to get that?

The other weird thing to think about him possibly moving is that if we get say 7m for him, we would make a 6m profit on his transfer fees. Not a lot of 1m players that make it to 10 years and play well over 350 matches. And he's just 27.
Despite the criticism (which at times he has deserved), I've really appreciated Lennon's efforts for the club. He has been part of some good memories over the ten years. Hopefully he goes somewhere and gets game time again and I'd like to think he would get a testimonial but I doubt it.
 

ChristianBaler

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Under Jol Bale started the majority of games he played as a left winger with either Lee Young-Pyo or BAE at LB. He did play LB at Southampton but also played LW for them. Jol certainly saw him as an attacking player. It was Redknapp who moved him back to LB at Spurs and only an injury to Kranjaer saw him move forward.

Bale got his chance through BAE being injured....his first start (when he really broke out) was Everton away in 2010
 
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