The Daily ITK Discussion Thread POST MORTEM

[freeeki]

And despite losing 6 games we're only 2 points off 2nd and 7 behind pool and it's still our best start to a PL season. The year we finished 2nd (86 points) that would have been enough to win the league the season Leicester did it and we're on course to beat that total.

Saying we are where we are because other teams aren't doing well is lazy and or current points total shows that, had we less points but still be in 3rd I'd agree with you

- It's not lazy, it's true
- We are on course for the same number of points but a lower league position
- Leicester's season was very much an anomaly and it has become abundantly clear in the subsequent seasons that the chances of a team winning the league with fewer than 90 points is highly unlikely over the next few seasons, so relatively speaking, our stagnation has meant we've gone backwards

 

[wrd]

- It's not lazy, it's true
- We are on course for the same number of points but a lower league position
- Leicester's season was very much an anomaly and it has become abundantly clear in the subsequent seasons that the chances of a team winning the league with fewer than 90 points is highly unlikely over the next few seasons, so relatively speaking, our stagnation has meant we've gone backwards

As much as I'm loving hearing we are having our best ever season despite the lack of transfers, statistically the disparity between the top6 and the bottom 3/4 suggests pretty much says that higher points tallies than ever are needed to win the title these days. That means that despite it being our highest point total it is not going to correlate with winning the league. It's huddersfields fault for being shit.

 

[freeeki]

Depends on what immigration rules the government come up with post Brexit, and wasn't taking control of our borders one of the main tenets from the leavers?

Something tells me the government isn't ever going to start turning away professionals earning upwards of £50K a week...

 

[freeeki]

As much as I'm loving hearing we are having our best ever season despite the lack of transfers, statistically the disparity between the top6 and the bottom 3/4 suggests pretty much says that higher points tallies than ever are needed to win the title these days. That means that despite it being our highest point total it is not going to correlate with winning the league. It's huddersfields fault for being shit.

Northerners, mate. Absolute mouth breathers.

 

[Tottenhamboy85]

 

[johnyid]

The ITK straight out of Poch’s mouth today says he WANTED to strengthen and was disappointed he never. His opinions weren’t that of the clubs and he would work hard and be happy with the squad he had. Stops the talk of not wanting to spend. More like didn’t want the shit being offered

 

[Hakkz]

"maybe with a little more help from some players, maybe we can't put the excuse that we're not a real contender"

Ooooooooh.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

The ITK straight out of Poch’s mouth today says he WANTED to strengthen and was disappointed he never. His opinions weren’t that of the clubs and he would work hard and be happy with the squad he had. Stops the talk of not wanting to spend. More like didn’t want the shit being offered

He also said -

Enough is enough, i am happy to work with my squad, I have a good squad, but always I am open to add more quality. You need to improve, if we can’t add I am not going to be sad, I am going to be happy to work with my players and I am so positive that we can win without or with signing.

Want to be careful how you take something and twist it, he prefaced that by saying -

I want to be clear with you and everyone, if you twist my answer like many times and manipulate my answer, sometimes you make me look ‘oh I’m so happy we didn’t sign’ and not win the Carabao Cup and FA Cup.


Best thing to do would be go and watch the video of the entire filmed press conf. which is in the Poch thread and then you can see which of the dick jousting arguments it supports more ...

 

[BringBack_leGin]

It really is alarming that our own fans are twisting his comments more than the media are just to suit some strange agenda. Imagine if that energy had been put into, you know, being at Wembley to support the team on Wednesday night instead.

 

[U.S. Spurs Fan]

That quote is pretty damning unless it is somehow taken out of context. However, it seems like the whole quote, not something parsed together. Is he disappointed that he couldn't get who he wanted or that Levy wouldn't sanction spending that level of money because it doesn't fit with the "club's project".

We have yet to hear one solid name offered to Poch over the past two windows that he turned down. Not one name. That makes it hard IMO to blame Poch here.

 

[Indisguise]

Practically anything Poch says can be interpreted in several ways. If he wasn't a football manager he'd make an excellent answer dodging politician.

 

[Darth Vega]

Poch seems to contradict himself pretty much every week at this point. He obviously wants new signings, but at the same time he's seemingly accepted (to an extent) that we're not in a position to get exactly who he wants (for many reasons). That's how I read it anyway.

Fortunately, he's also not so disappointed that he's making noises about wanting to leave.

 

[Univarn]

I don't get why everyone on here is so damned determined to either blame Poch or blame Levy. Both can be at fault in very different ways for our lack of transfer activity. Just because Poch turns a player down doesn't mean they're shit, just means he doesn't see them as an improvement over what he has but others do. Just because Levy can't/won't outspend the elite clubs or convince players Poch perceives as improvements but already have whispers in their ears from the elite they'd rather join doesn't mean he's a tightwad.

Both can exist in the same world. Both seemingly do exist. Both seem to be equally true.

 

[Lighty64]

Well I can only speak for myself, but the fact they carved up the East Lower to accommodate NFL corporate space was wrong imo.

However I do recognise it’s just a business decision. Although as yet there are no tangible benefits to me as a Spurs fan. It’s not like it’s bringing in loads of money translating into investment on the pitch.

Hopefully that is what it will bring in time, but I have my doubts. Seems the club are gambling on a franchise, but I’m not convinced that will ever happen. And if it doesn’t we’re just left with 2 poxy games a season, which is not a lot of revenue.

Perhaps the whole NFL part of the business model will all come together with the eventual naming rights sponsorship or maybe even new American owners/investors with deep pockets.

If that transpires and leads to more investment in the playing squad then fair enough it will have been worth it. If not then I think it’s right for fans to question it.

with 2 games over 10 years bringing £20m a season means that money will go towards something that if we never had would of come out of any budget so it will benefit the club, even if it's meant you couldn't sit closer to where you used to

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I don't get why everyone on here is so damned determined to either blame Poch or blame Levy. Both can be at fault in very different ways for our lack of transfer activity. Just because Poch turns a player down doesn't mean they're shit, just means he doesn't see them as an improvement over what he has but others do. Just because Levy can't/won't outspend the elite clubs or convince players Poch perceives as improvements but already have whispers in their ears from the elite they'd rather join doesn't mean he's a tightwad.

Both can exist in the same world. Both seemingly do exist. Both seem to be equally true.

This is how I feel, so thank you for managing to put it as succinctly as this, words actually do fail me as I just can't seem to put them into the right order sometimes!

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I don't get why everyone on here is so damned determined to either blame Poch or blame Levy. Both can be at fault in very different ways for our lack of transfer activity. Just because Poch turns a player down doesn't mean they're shit, just means he doesn't see them as an improvement over what he has but others do. Just because Levy can't/won't outspend the elite clubs or convince players Poch perceives as improvements but already have whispers in their ears from the elite they'd rather join doesn't mean he's a tightwad.

Both can exist in the same world. Both seemingly do exist. Both seem to be equally true.

Yup.

 

[Dillspur]

- It's not lazy, it's true
- We are on course for the same number of points but a lower league position
- Leicester's season was very much an anomaly and it has become abundantly clear in the subsequent seasons that the chances of a team winning the league with fewer than 90 points is highly unlikely over the next few seasons, so relatively speaking, our stagnation has meant we've gone backwards

You can also say last year was anomaly

Look at the total points tally since the PL started

https://blog.grosvenorcasinos.com/complete-premier-league-winners-list/

8 times we would have won the league with 86 points and 8 times have the winner had 90 points or more, I'm not sure that 90 is the new benchmark to win the PL, last year City were just unplayable the year before the chavs went on a record breaking or equaling (can't remember which) run, so far Pool have had an insane amount of luck with injuries and got knocked out of both domestic cups early.

if we finish 4th with a higher points total (which I don't think we will) I don't see how we have gone backwards/stood still. When you consider the injuries and fatigue our squad has had, it tells me that we have improved massively regardless of finishing 4th.

 

[Styopa]

- It's not lazy, it's true
- We are on course for the same number of points but a lower league position
- Leicester's season was very much an anomaly and it has become abundantly clear in the subsequent seasons that the chances of a team winning the league with fewer than 90 points is highly unlikely over the next few seasons, so relatively speaking, our stagnation has meant we've gone backwards

Agree about points totals. Mainly I think these simply show the gap that has grown between the top 6 and the rest over the past 3 seasons, or since Leicester won the league. This season Chelsea, Arsenal and Man U are on course to obtain 74, 74 and 71 points respectively- totals that would have seen them all finish comfortably inside the top 4 in 2015/16 when 4th place Man City finished on 66 points.

2015/16 + 1 point difference between 6th and 7th
6th Southampton 63
7th W Ham 62

1st = 81 points

2016/17 + 8 point difference
6th Man U 69
7th Everton 61

1st = 93

2017/18 + 9 point difference
6th Arsenal 63
7th Burnley 54

1st = 100

2018/19 as things stand + 10 point difference
6th Man U 45 points
7th Wolves 35 points

1st projected points total = 97

 

[freeeki]

You can also say last year was anomaly

Look at the total points tally since the PL started

https://blog.grosvenorcasinos.com/complete-premier-league-winners-list/

8 times we would have won the league with 86 points and 8 times have the winner had 90 points or more, I'm not sure that 90 is the new benchmark to win the PL, last year City were just unplayable the year before the chavs went on a record breaking or equaling (can't remember which) run, so far Pool have had an insane amount of luck with injuries and got knocked out of both domestic cups early.

if we finish 4th with a higher points total (which I don't think we will) I don't see how we have gone backwards/stood still. When you consider the injuries and fatigue our squad has had, it tells me that we have improved massively regardless of finishing 4th.

With 86 points, we'd have won the league in only 4 out of the past 19 seasons (21%), and an additional 4 in the previous 7 seasons (57%).

That suggests the benchmark has become considerably higher over time, and that shows no sign of waning any time soon.

 

[hakano]

have you thought that especially with it being the January window that the players he actually thought would improve us weren't available/for sale?

If you read my comment personally I am not bothered that we didn't make a signing in January. My gripe is with the leaks from the club putting it all on Poch. As I said he was optimistic and then a few days later not optimistic. Make of it what you will, but don't blame Poch for our inability to strengthen our squad.