The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 24th January 2019

[Helmut Grokenberger]

I think this 100-150 mill budget is just fairytales. Seems like at best its 50% of that.

Perhaps we are thinking about it wrong. Perhaps it IS 100–150 mil. But perhaps "mil" refers to a unit of measurement, not quantity of money. Perhaps knowing that a mil is approximately 0.0253 millimeters, we have a stack of money that is 2.54 millimeters tall to spend.
Perhaps we have spent perfectly inline with this budget, since a 2.54 mm stack of any currency would effectively represent what we've spent in the last 2 transfer windows.

It all lines up now.

 

[Stevospurs18]

Our budget must be 2m then if there is no one within the budget he likes, surely this can't be right... assuming our budget is around the 100m mark he likes no one that is cheaper than that? Does he want Messi or something?

Not long ago ITK stated we would not spend 60/70% of our budget on one player. £100m kitty is there but Levy still likes a bargain - unless he goes for another Davinson Sanchez esque deal that surprises us all!

 

[dirtyh]

lets just hope poch can turn every player in the academy then into a top performer otherwise we're screwed. seems we're stuck in a loop.

- the top players don't want to come to us or are outside our budget
- we currently don't have enough top players to properly compete the way we want to

where do the extra top players come from? i'm struggling...........

 

[Fredo]

Worth repeating again, and again! There is money. We can speculate to our hearts content. It is not about we like it or not, on how much. It is, as it is! Club desperate to add couple players ‘within our budget’. That may well be a well spun PR-Stunt, problem is Poch not liking what has been offered. And I personally believe they would improve us. Trix made a perfect comment ‘Poch is being AVB-esque’ in his choices (unrealistic for many reasons).

He is therefore sticking rather than twisting. Something certainly have to give. He pushed very hard for VJ, that one was all his choice, I said at the time it was a very bad choice, and cited the reasons. I think the scouting we have put forward excellent recommendations, but he just is not having it at present.

He personally spoke again to two players, who we know about already. But! They are not realistic signings. I do not agree on how DL dithers over transfers. But this one is not down to him. Whatever the budget is, that is what the budget is. This is why I commented a while back that there is interesting times ahead both for club and management.

This line is key. Herc previously talked about 100m budget, not so now. It's obvious the budget is probably like 50m and is the reason why Poch doesn't want the players offered.

 

[Indisguise]

I think this 100-150 mill budget is just fairytales. Seems like at best its 50% of that.

Whats really strange is the conflicting info though..ITK said that we wouldnt sign Werner because we would have to spend 70% of our budget on one player...but now we are hearing that its Poch turning down players as he doesnt think they are good enough. If Poch is really being backed by Levy then surely we would spend 70% of the budget on one if that is the only way that Poch gets who he wants? Its just not adding up.

Sounds like its just one big cluster fuck at the club and nothing is going to plan. Nobody knows whats going on and we are standing still due to this.

Ive come to terms that we will sign nobody and tbh I could careless now. The fun feeling around the club has been crippled and my interest has too.

It may be the case that ITK is coming from Levy's side and Poch's side.

 

[wrd]

I never said we should discard it but just commenting that maybe he does need help, if he can turn average players into class why is he ‘apparently’ targeting elite players? Why can’t he sign some good players and make them elite?

I was more talking to the general consensus of the Poch scouting ability and you were the last post but to answer your question, I'd say it's either that the players he's being offered he doesn't see it in them or that he feels he needs top quality now and if he has to develop players instead he'd rather go with the youth players he has available.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

This line is key. Herc previously talked about 100m budget, not so now. It's obvious the budget is probably like 50m and is the reason why Poch doesn't want the players offered.

Yeah but half of that buys you Tielmans ... A thread you were pissing and moaning in about the lack of not signing the player ... It doesn't work then, does it?

 

[TorontoYid]

This window is always full of transfers for over inflated prices which is why we should have strengthened in the summer like ALL our rivals did. Now we are in a precarious position so I hope that whatever needs to give hurries up and gives so we can sign some fresh players and get back to the business of catching Liverpool.

 

[U.S. Spurs Fan]

I think in regards to the recent ITK from Herc that it is impossible to speculate who is in the wrong here (Levy or Poch) because we have no idea who the players that Levy could actually get within the budget that Poch doesn't want. And my guess is that we will never know who those players are, so the speculation and frustration gets us nowhere except frustrated/confused. Even a few names would give a good idea to fans who is "in the wrong" here. Herc seems to like a few of them however and he seems to have a good eye for talent.

In terms of Poch, I would probably be hesitant to accept guys that cost less and are less known as well simply because it has happened before with N'Koudou, N'Jie, etc and now we can't move them. Although to be fair Jansenn was definitely Poch's call so who knows?

 

[titan]

saw what you did their AC.

 

[Indisguise]

Even if Janssen was Poch's choice, there's never a guarantee that a player will take success from one league to another. There's always going to be players who don't make the transition.

 

[S17PUR]

Didn't Poch publicly state that we need to bring in British players? If that's the case then it stands to reason that he's identified some British players he'd like to bring in doesn't it? Something doesn't seem to add up here. The public statements don't seem to tally exactly with what we're hearing from ITK - and Poch doesn't seem like the type to willfully deceive the media.

 

[SpursTillIDie1882]

Thanks Hercs, much appreciated.

Poch today said today he was optimitic few days ago but not now. Im assuming this mean regarding the players itk have mention or hinted at AR n TW ... however if he doesnt get these then we get no one.

 

[stonebrow]

I wonder why Poch was optimistic only days ago and what has happened since to change that, especially when the reported targets have been apparently out of reach from the off?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

saw what you did their AC.

Leading people to water, it's up to them if they drink it or not

Come on people FFS, the reason we're getting conflicting ITK is because it's coming from different sides and ITK's are only passing on in good faith, the salt needs to be applied.

One minute Levy isn't backing Poch and he's unhappy, he's going to walk away, the next Levy is going 'this one?'......'this one?'.........And Poch is turning down players like a Generation Game contestant with amnesia sat at the conveyor belt. Seriously?

I think the pair of them know exactly what they are doing.

 

[andyp8080]

We are not the BIG club some on here think we are

perhaps not.........but our revenues are 10th highest in europe or something like that and we are out spent by vastly smaller clubs

with such a low net spend over the last few years, weighed against the increasing costs of the stadium build and using wembley i dount anyone other than the men at the top have a scooby about how much we actually have to spend

I wonder if its the wages that is restricting us more than the transfer fees that will restrict us and stop us competing for players

And without knowing where we are with the finances its hard to say how much they are restricting us or if Levy is refusing to pay the kind of wages a top player commands these days. If that is the case then we will never move on

 

[wrd]

I wonder why Poch was optimistic only days ago and what has happened since to change that, especially when the reported targets have been apparently out of reach from the off?

These things change in an instant, not too long ago we were so close to Keita Balde just for it to fuck up.

 

[SpartanSpur]

We are not the BIG club some on here think we are

A £100m budget would put us in West Ham and Everton's bracket, which we should be in. We have been massively punching above our weight for some time.

We could have taken the step up with risks at times but the board or whoever havent been willing to do that

Reports released in the last week show us to have double the turnover of the two clubs mentioned.

 

[Indisguise]

Starting to feel like too many excuses are being made from either side. Perhaps the blame game is beginning to rear its ugly head?

 

[Fredo]

Yeah but half of that buys you Tielmans ... A thread you were pissing and moaning in about the lack of not signing the player ... It doesn't work then, does it?

I'm trying to understand it from Pochs perspective. Okay we can get tielemans for like 20m apparently, but lets be real is that one player gonna do anything to the squad? So Poch is probably thinking whats the point. He's not a world beater; a young player with high potential. Poch probably wants him (thats if he actually want him) alongside a major signing which is why the budget I assume that is available is annoyingly low.