The Daily ITK Discussion Thread 22nd May

[parj]

So, it was actually De Ligt who was that special 70 mil player that Levy was having kittens about according to ITK a few days ago. Well that's underwhelming. He is no doubt a prospect but when we desperately need a new top quality cm I would rather we spent that sort of cash on Savic for example. I understand the market is a joke at the moment, but we can't get too wrapped up in individual transfer sagas, and we certainly can't go financially toe to toe with city in a bidding war.

Sanchez went £38m and de Ligt is supposedly the better of the two. Really de Ligt would go for £50m to any other league in Europe but money bags in PL £70m. That price is not insane given Toby and Jan we would expect to receive that amount and more. Neymar deal changed football transfer landscape again. Players will cost more now.

 

[Spurs' Pipe Dreams]

Tottenham fans "we need to spend big to get to the next level"

Same Tottenham fans "no not that much, are we crazy"

 

[parj]

How on earth some of you are turning that into a negative I don’t know!

We be Tottenham fans. .. years of getting excited and being let down... This is all still too good to be true

 

[PhezTHFC]

Guys, no one has a bloody clue how much we’ll spend this summer. It doesn’t work like that. There’s no “war chest”. Payments are paid over instalments, they’re amortised over lengths of contracts, etc. Levy will likely have a figure in mind as a “headline” net outlay but it all depends on the details, how it’s structured, how long contracts are, etc. Furthermore there’s absolutely no way that player sales won’t make a difference. If we raise an extra £50m than expected by selling Lamela/Sissoko for example, that will impact on funds for signings.

All I took from Herc’s ITK is that we’re prepared to spend more than we ever have in a window and we won’t necessarily wait to sell first.

How on earth some of you are turning that into a negative I don’t know!

Stop talking sense. The children are having hissy fits over net spend.... AGAIN!!!

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

we won’t necessarily wait to sell first.

I think this in fact may be the most important change. We may or may not raise funds through sales, but we'll act when possible on the incoming side of things without precise information about what outgoings will end up looking like.

 

[parj]

Like others I'd rather spend £70m on Savic.

I'd rather have de Ligt AND Savic

 

[PhezTHFC]

My god. If this has caused a meltdown wait till the end of the window ffs

 

[WiganSpur]

tbh some of us thought 40m+ for sanchez was ridiculous too. now looks like a bargain as the price tag would be similar if we didn't go for him last year. but i don't think de ligt would go for 70m

We're talking almost double the price for Sanchez though

 

[Trix]

Hang on a sec, but to me it sounds like if all this come to pass, our squad which needs strengthening actually becomes a lot lighter in personnel?

Am I wrong in thinking from Herc’s info that we aim to get 4 in but release 6 to balance this? Doesnt this leave us a bit short, squad wise to be challenging on all fronts?

Hang on a sec, but to me it sounds like if all this come to pass, our squad which needs strengthening actually becomes a lot lighter in personnel?

Am I wrong in thinking from Herc’s info that we aim to get 4 in but release 6 to balance this? Doesnt this leave us a bit short, squad wise to be challenging on all fronts?

Some of those to go haven't played in ages.

£70M fucking hell! Todays market is truly insane, if de Ligt is valuated that high Toby should be at 90 but thats not the case. But if we believe de Ligt is the shit we need to Do business. The thing worrying me is the CM position. I have not seen any players in the press that would excite me, hopefully the mysterious one is a good one.

We won't pay 70mil for De ligt.

 

[PhezTHFC]

We won't pay 70mil for De ligt.

People don't understand this! No transfer or exceptionally rare is done as a full sum anymore. All in instalments just some are more favourable to the selling or buying club

 

[Hans Gruber]

If we've spent over £100m and can recoup that through selling players that Poch doesn't want then why wouldn't we do that? As Poch has seemingly been saying, he wants us to get all our targets beforehand anyway, so in that case it won't matter if the budget is pre or post sales.

Because 150m gross in this market wont get you all that far.

If we go all out for De Ligt that's 60m+, leaving us 80-90m for 2 centre mids and a winger/backup for Kane. Martial and Savic alone would cost conservatively 130m, so we can forget about that, likewise the Bales/Pulisics/Sessegnons.

As for the budget being irrelevant of sales, I don't buy that. All clubs bar perhaps the Manchester duo will be budgeting their summer expenditure net of sales, because that's the only figure that matters to the bottom line.

If Levy has budgeted say a 30m deficit, there's no way he (of all people) is sanctioning a 150m outlay unless he's convinced he'll recoup the majority of it later on in the window.

 

[$hoguN]

Guys, no one has a bloody clue how much we’ll spend this summer. It doesn’t work like that. There’s no “war chest”. Payments are paid over instalments, they’re amortised over lengths of contracts, etc. Levy will likely have a figure in mind as a “headline” net outlay but it all depends on the details, how it’s structured, how long contracts are, etc. Furthermore there’s absolutely no way that player sales won’t make a difference. If we raise an extra £50m than expected by selling Lamela/Sissoko for example, that will impact on funds for signings.

All I took from Herc’s ITK is that we’re prepared to spend more than we ever have in a window and we won’t necessarily wait to sell first.

How on earth some of you are turning that into a negative I don’t know!

Firstly, this is a great post and absolutely spot on.

Secondly and importantly, why do people care so much about what we spend on players? I would get if we were portly run but we are in fantastic financial shape so let Levy and those who have to control our spending worry about what we spend on players ffs. If we feel that De Ligt is the right player for us I don’t care if we 70p or £70 million providing we get our target

 

[Ekmek]

de Ligt FFS! De Ligt with a capital D would mean that he was royal.

 

[Yid-ol]

Because 150m gross in this market wont get you all that far.

If we go all out for De Ligt that's 60m+, leaving us 80-90m for 2 centre mids and a winger/backup for Kane. Martial and Savic alone would cost conservatively 130m, so we can forget about that, likewise the Bales/Pulisics/Sessegnons.

As for the budget being irrelevant of sales, I don't buy that. All clubs bar perhaps the Manchester duo will be budgeting their summer expenditure net of sales, because that's the only figure that matters to the bottom line.

If Levy has budgeted say a 30m deficit, there's no way he (of all people) is sanctioning a 150m outlay unless he's convinced he'll recoup the majority of it later on in the window.

But if 150 million has been given to buy players, then that could be the deficit and then any sales on top of that can be added on so the net spend doesn't go over the 150 million.

Unlikley going by past seasons with levy, but Poch might have got what he wanted this window.

 

[Hans Gruber]

But if 150 million has been given to buy players, then that could be the deficit and then any sales on top of that can be added on so the net spend doesn't go over the 150 million.

Unlikley going by past seasons with levy, but Poch might have got what he wanted this window.

That's exactly the point I'm getting at, which is that it matters whether the 150m is net or gross.

I'm not throwing my toys out of the pram, and honestly have never bought the 150m net suggestion given Levy's past and the clubs position regarding stadium financing, I'm just saying the net/gross distinction has a significant effect on the players we'll acquire this summer and hence the clubs direction in the short term.

 

[Hoopspur]

Surely if Poch is seeking backing and he is happy (or so we’re told), then we should be happy things will move forward in a positive way? He’s key to all this.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Tottenham fans "we need to spend big to get to the next level"

Same Tottenham fans "no not that much, are we crazy"

I have no problem with spending 70 mil on a player, but I don’t see how a relatively unproven 18 year old is going to take us to the next level. At that age there is no guarantee that he will become the world class star you would expect for that price. He looks a prospect but we still need to improve our first team before we we spend that sort of cash on a player who would essentially be our 3rd choice CB. If we have 70 mil to fling about, might as well add another 10/20and get Griezmann or Dybala. I’m all for de Ligt, but we need to be financially savvy as well. Hopefully Trix is right and we won’t spend that much on him.

@Hans Gruber, why the doe rating out of intrest?

 

[allatsea]

Surely if Poch is seeking backing and he is happy (or so we’re told), then we should be happy things will move forward in a positive way? He’s key to all this.

You are right of course but still no announcement on Poch's contract

 

[worcestersauce]

What I take from Hercules' ITK is that we are negotiating with fees well in excess of our previous level confirming to me that we have reached the watershed moment, what we hoped the new stadium would bring it is bringing. If we think that means Levy will not still negotiate hard we are wrong but he has the will to deal.

 

[Flashspur]

I think the 70m for de Ligt is crazy in any market, even this hyper inflated market we have currently. The price is enormously inflated for an 18y.o. when you think of recent sales of older more experienced defensive players. When you get into this area of spend, you are really rubbing up against the upper echelon like Real, Barca, Bayern and the Mancs etc. I wonder if Levy suffers from vertigo?