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McFlash

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If Poch/the club was not so arrogant and weak regarding transfers, we could've really challenged for the league this season. It's a sickening feeling. Alderweireld and Eriksen very likely to leave in the summer, and given our current ideology on transfers, I'd say we've blown our chance of potentially winning the league for a while.

But maybe they didn't expect to be challenging for the league yet, and are thus happy with where we are atm.

They keep saying that they've got a long term plan, and they appear to be content to stick to it. It's worked well so far.

We don't want to be Leicester, to win the league an then disappear back into obscurity, we want to win on strong foundations. We want to stay on the top of the pile.

If that means we have to pump the brakes a little now, I guess I'm cool with that.
 
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TheAmerican

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Why stress just because the decisions being made don’t align to what you want?
COYS

Because it’s worrying. Poch may be happy but that’s because he’s in a no-lose situation. Either DL pays up on one of his players, or he gets to potentially leave in the summer with the excuse that he wasn’t being backed. Not reinforcing the squad now is clearly disadvantageous to the club. It’s a dangerous game being played.
 

McFlash

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I posted this last August, lets not forget...

“Earlier in the week I mentioned that maybe it wasnt DL who didnt want to spend, I was also told that MP wants to promote/use more of the youth….”

And this is why Levy wants Poch to stay at the club forever ?
 
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Japhet

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Because it’s worrying. Poch may be happy but that’s because he’s in a no-lose situation. Either DL pays up on one of his players, or he gets to potentially leave in the summer with the excuse that he wasn’t being backed. Not reinforcing the squad now is clearly disadvantageous to the club. It’s a dangerous game being played.

Don't you think he would look like a massive hypocrite if he did that? I don't think that would sit with him at all well, unlike some. He's calling the shots just as much as Levy according to our top ITK.
 

Fredo

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Kane was crap, once.
But how many years of loans and training did it take for Kane to get there? We don't have years to wait for an academy to product to explode on to the scene. The league and other competitions don't wait for us. We need the required quality NOW.
 

SpartanSpur

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Because if we are blowing most of our budget it should be on a CM, not a player who would be great to have but is not an absolute necessity just because players are injured?

It appears that every elite club in europe is on the hunt for a CM (Barca taking two of our top targets), the likelihood is that even if we do put £60-70m aside for one, we will probably still lose out.

Also what if Poch is all in on developing Winks to be our main CM?

If a player of Werner's ability is available and willing to come (and Poch wants him) I think it's a no-brainer to do it personally. I'd be much more confident in us scouting a decent CM/DM prospect than finding a 1 in 2 pacey striker that can also play wide. There's been plenty of good pickups in the PL alone on the DM front in recent years (Kante, Ndidi, Doucoure, Gueye, Hojbjerg, Torreira).
 

TheAmerican

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Don't you think he would look like a massive hypocrite if he did that? I don't think that would sit with him at all well, unlike some. He's calling the shots just as much as Levy according to our top ITK.
It would be Levy’s camp versus Poch’s in the media. How do you think that’d play out with Levy’s transfer history?
 

Lighty64

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Erm...what? o_O

in other words we need more than Timo Werner to win trophies, especially in 6 weeks time we could be back to having all players back.

we need a CM, and a CDM before we need an attacking forward that looked pretty poor at the WC. if we spend 70/80% of our budget now, the chances of picking up a quality midfielder goes down the drain
 

rossdapep

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It appears that every elite club in europe is on the hunt for a CM (Barca taking two of our top targets), the likelihood is that even if we do put £60-70m aside for one, we will probably still lose out.

Also what if Poch is all in on developing Winks to be our main CM?

If a player of Werner's ability is available and willing to come (and Poch wants him) I think it's a no-brainer to do it personally. I'd be much more confident in us scouting a decent CM/DM prospect than finding a 1 in 2 pacey striker that can also play wide. There's been plenty of good pickups in the PL alone on the DM front in recent years (Kante, Ndidi, Doucoure, Gueye, Hojbjerg, Torreira).
I hear you, and I hope that Winks goes on to be the player we all hope he can be. He's on his way for sure. But our depth there is a concern, I'm happy to move forward with Sissoko and Winks but it doesn't leave a lot of room for rotation and injury cover.
 

rawhide

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Because it’s worrying. Poch may be happy but that’s because he’s in a no-lose situation. Either DL pays up on one of his players, or he gets to potentially leave in the summer with the excuse that he wasn’t being backed. Not reinforcing the squad now is clearly disadvantageous to the club. It’s a dangerous game being played.
So, you’re worrying about something you have no control over, no input into, and doesn’t directly affect you. Not a good position for your mental health.

Have you considered that both Poch and Dan are ok with the situation? For the short, medium and long term?

Neither man is a fool, so you’d be foolish to jump to those conclusions.

Reiterating the points already made, Poch wants to bring youth through, and he doesn’t immediately use new signings. Tell me again why not buying players that wouldn’t necessarily be used in the next few weeks is clearly disadvantageous? If they are unlikely to be part of the rotation for some time (a la Moura - 6 PL appearances ) then we will be back to full strength...
 

dagraham

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But maybe they didn't expect to be challenging for the league yet, and are this happy with where we are atm.

They keep saying that they've got a long term plan, and they appear to be content to stick to it. It's worked well so far.

We don't want to be Leicester, to win the league an then disappear back into obscurity, we want to win on strong foundations. We want to stay on the top of the pile.

If that means we have to pump the brakes a little now, I guess I'm cool with that.

Maybe the club do think this way, but do the players share this patience? I’m not sure the likes of Eriksen do, and how long before Ali isn’t just a young player learning his trade anymore. Plus while the idea of Kane staying forvever is romantic, he is ambitious and coming into his peak years.

Not saying it’s all doom and gloom, but I think fans are just concerned that the best team we’ve had in donkeys years are in danger of slowly passing us by due to lack of squad investment.
 

Fredo

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Eh? We've just had ITK from various sources saying it's Poch who doesn't want to sign anyone and you're still blaming the club/Levy?
I personally don't believe that Poch doesn't want to sign anyone, not knocking ITK.

Of course he wants to sign people ffs. It's just people that Levy will not entertain IMO. If not, then Poch is taking a MASSIVE risk with a higher probability of failure than success. Even if we do finish the season in the top 4, it will be the same shit next summer, what is this myth that in the summer we are going to do a madness? Why would it be any different to last years? Oh yeah, Eriksen and Toby will be leaving. Then we are even more fucked - Spurs becomes even more unattractive to potential suitors.
 

SpartanSpur

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I hear you, and I hope that Winks goes on to be the player we all hope he can be. He's on his way for sure. But our depth there is a concern, I'm happy to move forward with Sissoko and Winks but it doesn't leave a lot of room for rotation and injury cover.

Trust me, if I had to choose between Ndombele and Werner at the same money I'd take the former, but City are looming over him, probably PSG too. Chelsea, PSG and probably RM are looking at CMs too. I think after Rabiot and De Jong it's becoming a fruitless task chasing these obvious CM prospects. I'd therefore be looking seriously at trying to bring in someone a bit lower key like Berge or one of these bundesliga links. We definitely need bodies in there.
 

McFlash

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Maybe the club do think this way, but do the players share this patience? I’m not sure the likes of Eriksen do, and how long before Ali isn’t just a young player learning his trade anymore. Plus while the idea of Kane staying forvever is romantic, he is ambitious and coming into his peak years.

Not saying it’s all doom and gloom, but I think fans are just concerned that the best team we’ve had in donkeys years are in danger of slowly passing us by due to lack of squad investment.

I agree with what you say and I admit that I am nervous that even the best laid plans can fall flat on their arse, but I think they've earned my trust for now.

Regarding Eriksen, I think he's just a special case. A strong willed, intelligent person who knows his own mind.

As for the other players, I guess we just hope that Poch is honest with them, tells them what he's planning and that they're buying into it.
He certainly appears to have a great relationship with them.
 

Matthew

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Timo, we don’t want to splash circa 70-80% our budget on one player. Interest is/was very, very real. But, we do not have the necessary finances to gamble nearly all on one player.

this is ridiculous now, times have changed! we arent getting players for 30/35 million...especially in the bracket poch wants.
 

DiscoD1882

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Whilst we are still In the top four. I can fully understand the stalemate. We can’t win the league. We haven’t got the revenue until the new stadium is paying the bucks. We have a short term injury crisis. But we are still in 3 cups. Poch is right in not wanting to A) buy an expensive player who isn’t on his A list. B) spend money he can save until next season. When hopefully we are still in the champions league. And in the new stadium. Yes it’s a gamble. But our form has been good. And we have a squad that’s capable. And a youth squad he can dip into if needed. I actually get this approach. It’s a risk. But I would trust Poch to know his team. And the youth team. And be able to get us through this.
 

LexingtonSpurs

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Whilst we are still In the top four. I can fully understand the stalemate. We can’t win the league. We haven’t got the revenue until the new stadium is paying the bucks. We have a short term injury crisis. But we are still in 3 cups. Poch is right in not wanting to A) buy an expensive player who isn’t on his A list. B) spend money he can save until next season. When hopefully we are still in the champions league. And in the new stadium. Yes it’s a gamble. But our form has been good. And we have a squad that’s capable. And a youth squad he can dip into if needed. I actually get this approach. It’s a risk. But I would trust Poch to know his team. And the youth team. And be able to get us through this.
I'd like this approach much more if we signed Werner, and then supplemented with youth...
 

hakano

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stubborn stubborn man, i get he wants his players. but the situation is dire. he has to see that.

And I am sure he can see it better than everybody else, he is with his players every single day. He is playing his cards well in my opinion and good on him. Once bitten twice shy perhaps.
 
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