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The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 22nd January 2019

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The Mourneview Ace

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Never doubt your info, JJ, but even allowing for Pochettino and Levy being absolutely on the same page, as a club it feels like we're fighting our rivals with both hands tied behind our back right now, so it's hard to muster any optimism about our short- and medium-term prospects.

What’s the line in the Untouchables, bringing a knife to a gunfight. That’s what we have been doing for the last few years and getting away with it. Can only last for so long.
 

JJetset

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Quoting Poch from last week

“The only way the people think is about money,” Pochettino said. “That is going to help but at the moment I am happy. Today the club is doing what the club needs to do and I am so happy to be here. The project is so clear. It’s true the people are so impatient but it’s going to arrive. We are creating a legacy that is going to be amazing for the future of the club. I can see in the future Tottenham winning trophies. I don’t know if [it will be] with us or without. In one year or five years.”
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Quoting Poch from last week

“The only way the people think is about money,” Pochettino said. “That is going to help but at the moment I am happy. Today the club is doing what the club needs to do and I am so happy to be here. The project is so clear. It’s true the people are so impatient but it’s going to arrive. We are creating a legacy that is going to be amazing for the future of the club. I can see in the future Tottenham winning trophies. I don’t know if [it will be] with us or without. In one year or five years.”
There are also quotes previously about signing people in January?
 

SpartanSpur

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If Herc is right, I'd say go for Werner and try to pull something out of the hat like a Berge in CM. Seems every elite club is in the market for top CMs right now. Barca seem to be signing two of our top targets alone. City, Chelsea and PSG looking around too.

CM has been a glaring issue since the summer however the rise of Sissoko and Winks has kept us rolling. Plus eriksen seems to be playing deeper than ever to good effect.

If you can genuinely get a quality, pacey goalscoring attacker like Werner (or Zaha, or Martial, etc...) I say go for it. I like Lamela and Moura but if we can improve on them our attack would be complete IMHO.

Obviously this doesn't seem to be something we're prepared to do but I'd rather us buy a quality player like Werner and lock down one area, than address none.
 

Mr Pink

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Probably one of the reasons we have spunked circa £1billion large ones into the new stadium....

Undoubtedly.

In the interim though, we probably want to be shoping at Primark instead of wasting time in Armani ?
 

nailsy

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Problem is the only way to really kick on is to sign players for that amount. We wont be able to buy established talent for 30-40 mill anymore. We also cant afford to just keep buying potential as by the time they have reached it our other big players have already left and we are in a never ending cycle of rinse and repeat.

Maybe we should change our motto to 'To dare is to...dont." Time to pay big boy prices or give up on the idea of winning anything.

There aren't that many transfers that go through for more than £40m. There were only ten in Europe in the summer.
 

yankspurs

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If our budget is 100m+ and a player of Timo Werner’s quality and potential is within that range and Poch wants him but we say its too much of our budget, then honestly what the hell are we even doing here? If we wont operate like a top club and would rather multiple cheaper lesser quality over one top player, we will never win or learn.
 

McFlash

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Could it be the fact that we're actually ahead of our "legacy plan"?
We're ahead of where we thought we would be?

That's making things a bit trickier and we're having to rein back a bit.
 
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Lighty64

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Timo, we don’t want to splash circa 70-80% our budget on one player. Interest is/was very, very real. But, we do not have the necessary finances to gamble nearly all on one player.

if Werner = 70/80% of our budget, and we only have 100m then paying out 70-80m (how some made it 60m I never know) and the most important position we need to buy is a CM and CDM, then there is a chance Poch has said No, knowing he won't be able to get the 2 players needed for 20-30m left over
 

Lighty64

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We don’t know how much Werner would cost so it’s all speculation on that. He could be available for 55 million as Breezer intimated. The key thing is, it seems buying this calibre of player is beyond us and that is very concerning on two fronts. It means, it’s unlikely we will be able to improve the side any further than we have now unless we get lucky with someone like a Son, but they rarely come off. Or we buy potential like Sanchez, which is all well and good, but it would be difficult to argue Sanchez has taken us up a level. He hasn’t. He’s added depth but that’s it. He won’t win you a league. We need to make VVD type signings and those cost 70 million.

Secondly, Poch gets fed up and walks.

The galling thing is Liverpool have literally shown us how to do it. Just add top tier quality to an already talented existing squad. As Poch has said with us needing to find a different way to operate, our transfer strategy Levy has succeeded with so far, only gets you so far. It won’t take you to champions. We need to change it, but it seems we can’t. Quite depressing.

I hope this isn’t going off on a tangent too much, it’s still instrincly linked to the ITK we have received tonight. Our transfer strategy has taken us so far and it’s reaches its limit. We need to change. Levy needs to change.

Herc's said it would cost us 70-80% of our budget, he has also said our budget is 100m, that doesn't equal 55m

Sanchez is a lot younger than VVD, so good chance he will be a better player than him and help take us up a level.
 

gibbospurs

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if Werner = 70/80% of our budget, and we only have 100m then paying out 70-80m (how some made it 60m I never know) and the most important position we need to buy is a CM and CDM, then there is a chance Poch has said No, knowing he won't be able to get the 2 players needed for 20-30m left over
Pretty sure we need someone to score goals for the next 2 months, miss out on top 4 will be devastating, we could get that figure back if we get top 4. We won’t get top 4 without reinforcements. Son will come back knackered. We need an injection of someone. What’s wrong with paying big now? If Eriksen leaves then we replace with his money. Same as Toby. We have money from Dembele, if we don’t sign top players when they are available and when we desperately need one then what’s the point.
 

coy-spurs1882

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Timo, we don’t want to splash circa 70-80% our budget on one player. Interest is/was very, very real. But, we do not have the necessary finances to gamble nearly all on one player.
this all-or-nothing approach is much riskier than gambling nearly all on one player imo...
 

coy-spurs1882

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I'd love to know how much we're being quoted for Werner and if it means that we can't do the deal now rather than in the summer. If we aren't willing to do a deal for a top player who is running down his contract then we're going to struggle to find anyone.
not a surprise at all after the sagas of barkley and grealish...:banghead:
 

Flashspur

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What a strange season this is turning into. There's so much negatively surrounding the stadium and our transfers, but we've been in the top four for most of the season, we're through to the group stage of the champions League and we're in a cup semifinal.

Calm before the storm ?
 

midge

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So based on the ITK, Poch only want specific players and will not accept others. However our budget is limited and cannot and will not splash 70-80% on 1 player even if the player was 1 that Poch wanted

Catch-22 situation
 
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