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nailsy

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I can see where he's coming from. If you can't buy the player you really want in January why bother giving someone you don't really want a four year contract? It's just going to bloat our squad and block us getting the players he really wants in the summer. We've also got to find space in the squad for KWP and Foyth next season so maybe this is also a bit of long term planning on that front as well.
 

daryl hannah

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In the De Jong(?) thread
This in itself is crazy. £100m budget. Alright, you can understand not wanting to blow everything on one player. However, if it weren't for CL qualification & therefore revenue, are we saying we wouldn't have ANY budget for transfers?

Levy - "The transfer budget is ring-fenced. The stadium will not affect transfers."

Meanwhile, other clubs are spending £100m even without CL qualification.

Got to be realistic with the market in this day and age.
 

wrd

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Very on brand for SC and Spurs to wake up with optimism and end the day with a meltdown. I didn't buy nearly enough popcorn.

Funnily enough I felt 0 optimism and I'm not feeling like this is a meltdown at all, maybe all those years of peoples saying it's the hope that kills you were correct, I had none and I feel fine with our situation.
 

robertgoulet

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Is Poch's "stubbornness" really that hard to comprehend?

DL: "So, Poch, we're lining up a couple of loan deals and a Championship player for the January transfer window. De Ligt, de Jong and Timo are being offered more money from clubs we can't afford to compete with. What do you reckon?"

Poch: "I'll stick with what I've got."
But what if it’s “we can get Ndombele” (someone very highly rated by most) and he’s saying “no only de Jong will do”?

I understand they aren’t like for like players just mean to say what if he’s been offered players most rate highly but is holding out for his few?
 

Primativ

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Timo, we don’t want to splash circa 70-80% our budget on one player. Interest is/was very, very real. But, we do not have the necessary finances to gamble nearly all on one player.


It's the same old story. If we aren't willing to spend 60 or 70 million on one player, we aren't ever going to sign top CL players because that is how much they cost. Hence the impasse we are witnessing. Poch wants these players, but Levy isn't willing to sanction it. So Levy offers Poch a bunch of mediocre players for 25 to 30 million instead and Poch says no.

Levy hasn't got the pockets to take us to the next level. This golden era may well end up wasted.
 

S17PUR

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If Poch only has a small list of suitable targets, is spending a big chunk of the budget on one of these players not exactly what he wants us to do (and therefore what we should do)? Rhetorical question, Herc, not expecting you to answer. Surely it'd be better to spend £60-70m on one player, than spend zero? Feels like we won't get anywhere unless we change the way we operate.
 

Mackan110

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To bad we have about 100m even thkuchnwe bought 0 in the summer. It sucks to know we won't be able to take the next step with our owners :/

They have done so much but won't be enough to make us a winning team

So no Werner, will end up with Andy Carroll...
 

0-Tibsy-0

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Timo, we don’t want to splash circa 70-80% our budget on one player. Interest is/was very, very real. But, we do not have the necessary finances to gamble nearly all on one player.

Ah, obviously. We won’t splash our budget on a good player that is wanted. Instead we prefer to splash no money on players that we identify but know Poch won’t want. I mean, it makes sense from a P+L perspective..
 

hutchiniho

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The cynic in me thinks this may be a bit of self sacrifice from Poch, to justify to himself why he should leave.
It must be a pain though.
Look at watch Poch has done with Spurs.
These £60m players are the calibre we need to compete with and make our starting 11 better.
Utd have always dropped top bucks on this level of player every window. SAF usually added that one crown jewell every year to the weakest area.
Which manager wouldn't want that.
Poch does seem to have a strong level of loyalty but it could wear thin.

Id much prefer one top player @£70m rather than two or three @ £25m. What does that even get you now? solanke or lerma for AFCB. Mepham from Brentford was £12m today. Gosh does this mean we have the same buying potential as a club with a 12k stadium?
 
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Hazelton

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Timo, we don’t want to splash circa 70-80% our budget on one player. Interest is/was very, very real. But, we do not have the necessary finances to gamble nearly all on one player.
The overall impression I'm getting is that we have a skewed understanding of how the transfer market has developed. We're seemingly trying to sell at 2019 prices and buy at 2017 prices...

How can you go into negotiations for a young, highly rated German international forward and not expect his club to ask for the going rate? Why bloody bother, such a waste of time.
 

Finchyid

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This gets more confusing....we wont buy cos they have to be what poch wants. Interest in a player but we wont buy cos it takes up too much budget.

Lets just not bother, sack the scouts and we can all move on
 

TEESSIDE1

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Timo, we don’t want to splash circa 70-80% our budget on one player. Interest is/was very, very real. But, we do not have the necessary finances to gamble nearly all on one player.

Apologies if it wasn’t you but it was mentioned not too long ago that signing De Jong (fee, wages) would cost circa £100m, which is pretty much our entire budget. Now he turned us down so it’s a non starter. He was however a player who’s only played in the Mickey Mouse Dutch league. Whereas Werner, a young and highly talented player who plays in one of the best leagues in the world and whom would compliment our existing stars is deemed more of risk than De Jong? We’ve a bloody good squad and need 1-2 quality players, passing on Werner when considering the lack of quality whom is both obtainable and who ‘may’ want to sign for us is madness.
 

U.S. Spurs Fan

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So it does indeed come down to money. We just don’t have enough to get true impact players, especially in January. While Poch might be ok with championship type youngsters (Grealish) in the summer when he has more time to mold them into the club and what he wants, he probably knows bringing someone like that in now is really short sighted because those type of players arent good enough to impact immediately. To be honest, I kind of agree with Poch.

Someone like Werner could probably come in now with little time to train and still contribute. Someone like Jarrod Bowen for instance probably can’t.

Bigger issue going forward is that the price of all players are going up. A decent but likely not foolproof prospect like Pulisic is going for 60 mill. Heck Villa wanted 40 mill for Grealish after the new owners came in. 100 million just isn’t going to get you that much anymore. It is what it is.

I bet prices last summer when they couldn’t get anything done though will still be cheaper than this summer. So the problem will be even worse with more spots to fill too.
 

Ghost Hardware

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It's the same old story. If we aren't willing to spend 60 or 70 million on one player, we aren't ever going to sign top CL players because that is how much they cost. Hence the impasse we are witnessing. Poch wants these players, but Levy isn't willing to sanction it. So Levy offers Poch a bunch of mediocre players for 25 to 30 million instead and Poch says no.

Levy hasn't got the pockets to take us to the next level. This golden era may well end up wasted.
I agree with this. However Im also not sure Timo is worth 70 mil. Especially with his contract running down. We would be paying a premium because RB are trying to get CL. I do think we should be willing to 60/70 on the right player tho, that I completely agree with. Assuming we want to win the league at some point.
 

Indisguise

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But what if it’s “we can get Ndombele” (someone very highly rated by most) and he’s saying “no only de Jong will do”?

I understand they aren’t like for like players just mean to say what if he’s been offered players most rate highly but is holding out for his few?
I doubt we're in any danger of that scenario ever arising. ;)
 
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