The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 22nd January 2019

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13VanDerBale13

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Certainly doesn't. With Man Utd waiting in the wings and having the ability to compete for the best players, it is worrying news.
could it all be part of his secret plan :cry: just doesn't make sense why he wouldnt feel the need to add, our squad was lacking depth as it is, with these injuries its highlighted even more
 

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For the first time I’m worried that Poch thinks he’s leaving in the summer.

It could be that he doesn’t want to sign players now because it would offend his sense of what is proper to bring players in now and make
 
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I don't believe anything. It looks like feel good factor thing for levy. Apart from Skipp how many players poch has used from academy. Even skipp with only one game when there was non CM available for that position. And who is in our academy who is going to win us pots? He is not stupid its only that he is stubborn to next N'jie, N'koudu, llorente e.t.c He is fed up with it he might be looking to sign players like klopp did.
 

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Identifying players that we have ZERO chance of getting. Come in AVB!
I guess the question is why is there zero chance (not directed at you, just pontificating)? Is it that this because he's saying "We need Messi" and that's of course ludicrous on Poch's part, or is he saying "We need x-player" but he wants to go to to PSG/Barca/Real Madrid and not Spurs and there's nothing we can do, or is he saying "We need x-player" and that player can be had but only at an extortionate amount and we aren't willing to pay?

It seems ridiculous that it's come to this.
 

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Poch is the problem? I don't see it that way at all. The club might want signings, the fans might want signings, but there is absolutely no way it's worth buying anybody if Poch doesn't want them. They'll just go the same way as the other players he doesn't want that never play and we can't shift.

I'm perfectly happy with what Poch's doing. If you can't get the players you really want, don't get anybody and work with what you've got, even if it does mean the squad is threadbare with injuries and you have to blood the kids. The ones that have come in haven't let us down so far.

I honestly don't understand why you're all so desperate for new signings. You just seem to want to sign somebody for the sake of signing somebody, and that makes no sense at all. Poch will say yes if we can get a player he wants. Why the hell would he say yes to a player he doesn't want? Holes in the squad are only holes if there's no-one to fill them, and we still manage to put out 11 players every game and still win most of the time.

Poch's the man who coaches the players and picks the team and tactics. People keep crying about how we should be backing him...maybe, just maybe, backing him might mean not buying players rather than buying them. You either trust him or you don't, and I've seen more than enough to know that I trust him. I want Poch: I want the football his team plays, I want the results his team gets, I want the grace and dignity he brings to the club. If he doesn't want new players, I don't want new players, and I think it's ridiculous that people are giving him grief for it.
 

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Poch is the problem? I don't see it that way at all. The club might want signings, the fans might want signings, but there is absolutely no way it's worth buying anybody if Poch doesn't want them. They'll just go the same way as the other players he doesn't want that never play and we can't shift.

I'm perfectly happy with what Poch's doing. If you can't get the players you really want, don't get anybody and work with what you've got, even if it does mean the squad is threadbare with injuries and you have to blood the kids. The ones that have come in haven't let us down so far.

I honestly don't understand why you're all so desperate for new signings. You just seem to want to sign somebody for the sake of signing somebody, and that makes no sense at all. Poch will say yes if we can get a player he wants. Why the hell would he say yes to a player he doesn't want? Holes in the squad are only holes if there's no-one to fill them, and we still manage to put out 11 players every game and still win most of the time.

Poch's the man who coaches the players and picks the team and tactics. People keep crying about how we should be backing him...maybe, just maybe, backing him might mean not buying players rather than buying them. You either trust him or you don't, and I've seen more than enough to know that I trust him. I want Poch: I want the football his team plays, I want the results his team gets, I want the grace and dignity he brings to the club. If he doesn't want new players, I don't want new players, and I think it's ridiculous that people are giving him grief for it.
But on this line of reasoning noone can ever disagree with or criticize Poch.
 
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Poch is the problem? I don't see it that way at all. The club might want signings, the fans might want signings, but there is absolutely no way it's worth buying anybody if Poch doesn't want them. They'll just go the same way as the other players he doesn't want that never play and we can't shift.

I'm perfectly happy with what Poch's doing. If you can't get the players you really want, don't get anybody and work with what you've got, even if it does mean the squad is threadbare with injuries and you have to blood the kids. The ones that have come in haven't let us down so far.

I honestly don't understand why you're all so desperate for new signings. You just seem to want to sign somebody for the sake of signing somebody, and that makes no sense at all. Poch will say yes if we can get a player he wants. Why the hell would he say yes to a player he doesn't want? Holes in the squad are only holes if there's no-one to fill them, and we still manage to put out 11 players every game and still win most of the time.

Poch's the man who coaches the players and picks the team and tactics. People keep crying about how we should be backing him...maybe, just maybe, backing him might mean not buying players rather than buying them. You either trust him or you don't, and I've seen more than enough to know that I trust him. I want Poch: I want the football his team plays, I want the results his team gets, I want the grace and dignity he brings to the club. If he doesn't want new players, I don't want new players, and I think it's ridiculous that people are giving him grief for it.
Not for the sake of signing but like liverpool to improve the team to be able to win something. If this squad hasn't won anything (with moussa and wanyama fit) so far what makes you think we will do it in the future. Just remember our rivals will get strengthen more and more. It was us challenging liecester and all other were shit but then chelsea won the league. Next city improve themselves and won it and it looks like now liverpool will do it. We will always be bridesmaids.
 

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To be fair to the club, if Pochettino is looking for players that we have no chance in getting, and he is playing stubborn with this, what more can a club do? Especially when at this period of time we need bodies in the run in to the season.
I think failing to qualify for the champions league next season with this approach will be the final nail in the coffin in the relationship with Levy and himself.
 

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Well, if he's going to turn to academy graduates then fine. But evidence says otherwise. Poch may be being stubborn, yes. But that's likely because he's identified players he wants and as per usual, the club is offering up cheap alternatives instead. A ton of other ITK from you and others point to Poch not wanting those cheap alternatives anymore and wants players he wants. It is time Levy finally works up the courage to do that and back a manager. Poch has deserved that and much more.
Jesus Christ Hank. So you’ve heard it from a few ITK’s that Poch is potentially the issue, including Herc who I believe ended the summer transfer window by being very frustrated with Levy, and you stil manage to turn it on Levy??

Words fail me!!
 

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When Poch said last season we have to do things a different way, many people interpreted that as meaning we have to spend.

I said that I have worked with coaches at spurs who look dimly on fans view that we must spend spend spend. That is an overrated part of the game.

I argued Poch was more likely saying that having less money means we cannot afford to play the same spending game as others and that he would turn to youth and hold out for the right players to improve the team - increasingly difficult.

I have been thoroughly vindicated by the latest itk. No doubt some people will continue to push the same negative lines to breaking point and absolve Poch of any blame. I wonder who will take the hit 🤔
 

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Poch knows what he has at youth level, they also know what is required from Poch, going with youth at this point IMO isn't anymore of a risk than spending over the odds on a player that Poch doesn't know and that may or may not hit the ground running.
 

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This just doesnt add up. Everyone can see that we need to add to the squad and Poch isnt blind or stupid. It reeks of us not buying his targets so he wont accept anything less.

When Herc says Poch's targets are players that we have zero chance of signing...I wonder if Levy is actually putting up the proper fee and wages for the players or still low balling which thus makes us have zero chance. This is so pathetic...whichever side is in the wrong they need to sort themselves out and sharpish
 
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When Poch said last season we have to do things a different way, many people interpreted that as meaning we have to spend.

I said that I have worked with coaches at spurs who look dimly on fans view that we must spend spend spend. That is an overrated part of the game.

I argued Poch was more likely saying that having less money means we cannot afford to play the same spending game as others and that he would turn to youth and hold out for the right players to improve the team - increasingly difficult.

I have been thoroughly vindicated by the latest itk. No doubt some people will continue to push the same negative lines to breaking point and absolve Poch of any blame. I wonder who will take the hit 🤔
and what is that different way. Can you elaborate it.
 

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When Poch said last season we have to do things a different way, many people interpreted that as meaning we have to spend.

I said that I have worked with coaches at spurs who look dimly on fans view that we must spend spend spend. That is an overrated part of the game.

I argued Poch was more likely saying that having less money means we cannot afford to play the same spending game as others and that he would turn to youth and hold out for the right players to improve the team - increasingly difficult.

I have been thoroughly vindicated by the latest itk. No doubt some people will continue to push the same negative lines to breaking point and absolve Poch of any blame. I wonder who will take the hit 🤔
Considering it's Herc (no offense to Herc, but he's historically felt like a Poch mouthpiece on here) and JJ spouting the same thing, I am believing more and more that it's Poch mostly to blame and Levy a little to blame.
 

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Poch knows what he has at youth level, they also know what is required from Poch, going with youth at this point IMO isn't anymore of a risk than spending over the odds on a player that Poch doesn't know and that may or may not hit the ground running.
So you consider the players in our academy strong enough to mantain a potential title challenge? I wouldn't.
 
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