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Maxtremist

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I'm sure that was the plan but Levy has a history of pricing players out of moves, as someone else said he seems to expect 2018 prices + a Levy premium on outgoings but only wants to pay 2008 prices on incomings, you can't have it both ways. The issue is that if we wait to shift players before we buy we are going to run out of time pretty quickly and miss out on our targets (if we haven't already) and there will be serious ramifications to that. No one is saying let them go for next to nothing but if we want to get our targets we may have to take the small risk that we end up selling some for less than Levy wants after 9 August or if not letting at least a couple go out on loan.

I've seen a couple of posters talking about letting them go for next to nothing etc... so it's happening with some (not all but some).

Who says Levy only wants to pay 2008 prices? Again if we're going by ITK we have the money and Levy is prepared to pay it, just to not go absolutely insane with it. I mean we did just buy Sanchez for 40+ mil last season so it's not like Levy isn't prepared to spend any money, but when players like Zaha are being priced at 70mil I don't blame Levy or anyone trying to strike a deal for less than that.

In an attempt to both reply to you and stick on topic of discussing ITK... the plan seemingly was to try and get the best deal, but the prolonged involvement of our players in the World Cup hasn't helped and we're now fully realising and seeing the impacts of our Transfer Window closing earlier. So the plan is changing. As Herc said, DL is no idiot and likely will bite the bullet on some. So not a sense of trying to have it both ways, more a sense of we tried one way which has got us where we are, it's not working now so now we change.

Point me too it if I've missed it but it doesn't sound like we've yet missed out on any of our targets, at least for time. ITK has just said Martial isn't coming to us but that's more Man Utd not selling than anything on us, so there's not really any ITK to suggest we've missed our targets but there is ITK saying that Grealish is done and we expect 3 signings and to keep an eye on Monday-Wednesday.

So whilst I get the worry for sure, ITK and how it's all panning out makes sense and is has been told and as I feel should have been expected.
 

Hoopspur

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Fuck me, what a mess. You can all take that as you will...;)
 

pablo73

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Has he said that poch isn't happy? I would assume thats the case with how DL has handled the window so far but i can't seem to find the post.

See below from Herc, if not stated word for word certainly very strongly intimated

I am a passionate fan, which exceeds 50 years, and I have seen a lot first hand. You can put it on a biscuit tin Poch was given assurances, to which I won’t recycle, as we know what they were.

I understand the comments about not paying what we deem OTT in players like Zaha. I stated that our kitty is what it is, but inflation is seen nowhere like our sport. Now if Palace want 65m for him, and 1 or 2 players are thrown in, with us paying say 40m, then pay the farking thing on instalments agreed. And that is how Parish operates.

We have been farting around too long. Announcement/s Monday-Wednesday still stands. I wait with baited breath. Yes! I was optimistic earlier, but less so now. I am not going to bs anybody. You deserve to know the truth.

Hopefully this leaks, and club gets wind, and up there game. And anyone who believes that a certain person is ‘belly happy’, you are then deluded. Many things I would love to say but can’t.
 
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pablo73

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I've seen a couple of posters talking about letting them go for next to nothing etc... so it's happening with some (not all but some).

Who says Levy only wants to pay 2008 prices? Again if we're going by ITK we have the money and Levy is prepared to pay it, just to not go absolutely insane with it. I mean we did just buy Sanchez for 40+ mil last season so it's not like Levy isn't prepared to spend any money, but when players like Zaha are being priced at 70mil I don't blame Levy or anyone trying to strike a deal for less than that.

In an attempt to both reply to you and stick on topic of discussing ITK... the plan seemingly was to try and get the best deal, but the prolonged involvement of our players in the World Cup hasn't helped and we're now fully realising and seeing the impacts of our Transfer Window closing earlier. So the plan is changing. As Herc said, DL is no idiot and likely will bite the bullet on some. So not a sense of trying to have it both ways, more a sense of we tried one way which has got us where we are, it's not working now so now we change.

Point me too it if I've missed it but it doesn't sound like we've yet missed out on any of our targets, at least for time. ITK has just said Martial isn't coming to us but that's more Man Utd not selling than anything on us, so there's not really any ITK to suggest we've missed our targets but there is ITK saying that Grealish is done and we expect 3 signings and to keep an eye on Monday-Wednesday.

So whilst I get the worry for sure, ITK and how it's all panning out makes sense and is has been told and as I feel should have been expected.

The bolded part I 100% agree with but I think you've been a bit more generous coming to that conclusion. There's no point debating it any further really until the window closes as it's all speculation at this point but it does very much feel like we've been here before
 

stonebrow

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so if Poch asked for 4 players, but because 3 of them took up the budget we had in place, then surely that's still not backing the manager because we haven't the ??m left to spend
I should have said ‘within reason’ but the post I was referring to was implying all big money signings that were highlighted as ‘manager backings’ have flopped & that the ‘budget’ signings that have succeeded were not ‘manager backings’...also if Poch got 3 out of 4 signings he wanted I’m sure he would see he had been backed
 

thfcsteff

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It seems very clear to me.
Poch wanted our key players signed back up on contracts. It looks like that is happening (and I am guessing here but perhaps the club are drip--feeding those announcements precisely because of the toys-from-prams which will go down if the window closes and we haven't signed mega-talented-super-young-rich-billy-big-bollox.
I doubt very much that Poch wants more stop-gap NKoudous and Janssens which have not worked out, and I suspect he would rather the exact players he wants or no-one.
He certainly does not want too many people to manage; bigger squad = bigger issues with regards to keeping the unit "together".
So we wanted to sell first. Not money, squad size. I think it was widely expected that Dembele and Alderweireld would be sold. They still might be. I think those are the main ones -maybe Janssen too- and I suspect we will then make a run.
Final thought...keeping the likes of Kane, Lloris, Alli, Eriksen, Son and Verts would be huge. Three of those players are 100 mill+ on the market, and Hugo is 80 mill if Liverpool paid 65 for the Brazilian chap.
This season will be the biggest test yet of Poch's managerial skills. I have faith.
 

Lighty64

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I should have said ‘within reason’ but the post I was referring to was implying all big money signings that were highlighted as ‘manager backings’ have flopped & that the ‘budget’ signings that have succeeded were not ‘manager backings’...also if Poch got 3 out of 4 signings he wanted I’m sure he would see he had been backed

he might not of been to happy if the 4th signing was the 1 top of his list, but unobtainable due to being at the WC. he might of been very grateful but unhappy he never got his main present

edit: the way you make it sound is we haven't attempted to buy any of his targets yet
 

Lilbaz

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Do people actually think we’ll even sign grealish after the news yesterday? Villa can now ask for whatever they want and that will likely be 40 mil. Levy melts when the valuation gets to 30+ the majority of times.

Have a read of the grealish thread to find out why this is not true.
 

dovahkiin

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ali z: I think Hercules latest info is not that far off but he is painting a worst case scenario, we do not know how things will pan out, as for bids info is any good as when the person gave it to you heard it.
Clubs mostly interested from abroad using TW closure to lower prices, nothing to do with our valuation just others playing the game.
 

Hazelton

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Maybe a slight exaggeration, but I believe that this window is make or break for us. We either invest and keep up with the rest of the pack, or we fall away and lose everything we've built over the past few seasons.

We must get this right. The only consolation I can take from this is that it's so obvious, Levy must know that as well and surely won't let the worst happen. We're running out of time though and he's playing a very dangerous game. I'm still hopeful.
 

Lilbaz

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Maybe a slight exaggeration, but I believe that this window is make or break for us. We either invest and keep up with the rest of the pack, or we fall away and lose everything we've built over the past few seasons.

We must get this right. The only consolation I can take from this is that it's so obvious, Levy must know that as well and surely won't let the worst happen. We're running out of time though and he's playing a very dangerous game. I'm still hopeful.

Every season seems to be make or break for us.
It is important and not qualifying for cl will hurt. But i think our current squad is good enough to do so. I also think we'll bring in a couple.
 

Frasier

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I’m sort of expecting levy to pull off a worldie in the remaining weeks but someone needs to ask levy what on earth is going on with their strategy towards transfers at the next fans forum
 

stonebrow

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he might not of been to happy if the 4th signing was the 1 top of his list, but unobtainable due to being at the WC. he might of been very grateful but unhappy he never got his main present
Very true he may be unhappy but he would’ve known he was being backed if he got 3 out of 4 player he wanted & ‘being backed’ was our initial discussion. I’m guessing the WC comment was an example as ‘apparently’ our top targets were not even at the WC. I say ‘apparently’ as who the fuck knows what is going on...I certainly don’t but just giving an opinion on what I’m hearing from ITK/fans/press at the minute. Who knows what will happen in the next few weeks but considering we are told deals are complex etc then we are not giving ourselves much time.
 

stonebrow

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ali z: I think Hercules latest info is not that far off but he is painting a worst case scenario, we do not know how things will pan out, as for bids info is any good as when the person gave it to you heard it.
Clubs mostly interested from abroad using TW closure to lower prices, nothing to do with our valuation just others playing the game.
Levy being ‘played’ in the game he loves...he must be regretting voting for this early transfer deadline!
 

Lighty64

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Very true he may be unhappy but he would’ve known he was being backed if he got 3 out of 4 player he wanted & ‘being backed’ was our initial discussion. I’m guessing the WC comment was an example as ‘apparently’ our top targets were not even at the WC. I say ‘apparently’ as who the fuck knows what is going on...I certainly don’t but just giving an opinion on what I’m hearing from ITK/fans/press at the minute. Who knows what will happen in the next few weeks but considering we are told deals are complex etc then we are not giving ourselves much time.

just opinions but ITK mentioned 3 in the pipeline, that pipeline might finally open on the last day because perhaps Levy has had to overpay (very doubtful) and doesn't want/need extra ½m in extra wages.

if we only land up with Grealish come the close of the window no one will be happy (or very few) and I won't be throwing toys out the pram, I'll be throwing the baby out too:whistle:
 

stonebrow

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just opinions but ITK mentioned 3 in the pipeline, that pipeline might finally open on the last day because perhaps Levy has had to overpay (very doubtful) and doesn't want/need extra ½m in extra wages.

if we only land up with Grealish come the close of the window no one will be happy (or very few) and I won't be throwing toys out the pram, I'll be throwing the baby out too:whistle:
I’d be happy with Grealish as 1 of 3 but as you say if it’s only him then things won’t be pretty...even then it’ll all be forgotten when we are smashing Newcastle or more importantly opening our new stadium with a win over the scoucers!
 

rossdapep

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Maybe a slight exaggeration, but I believe that this window is make or break for us. We either invest and keep up with the rest of the pack, or we fall away and lose everything we've built over the past few seasons.

We must get this right. The only consolation I can take from this is that it's so obvious, Levy must know that as well and surely won't let the worst happen. We're running out of time though and he's playing a very dangerous game. I'm still hopeful.
I don't think we'll fall or fall far but what may happen is that we may miss the bus on becoming a genuine title contender. That's why a couple of real exciting signings are necessary. I know it sounds very demanding and we've made great progress but we are so close and I imagine many of us will hate to sit here in five years thinking that we had the chance to make that happen but our chairman's games and brinkmanship cost us that opportunity and likely some great players and a fantastic coach.
 

dk-yid

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Just looked through all today's ITK a second time, and all I know is that I have absolutely no idea what's going on
Do try to keep up man. It's quite simple. We might but may not, could and couldn't, will and won't and last but not least...... :borg:
 

TheVoiceofReason

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If Poch ain’t happy at the end of the window, this era is effectively over. He will leave, or he will stay but emotionally disengage with the project. See Conte. Whether or not we as fans are happy with the lack of signings, it all boils down to how Poch feels. Hercules ITK seems to suggest Poch is starting to feel mugged off.

I remember a quote from Jacques Santini about Levy from when I joined this forum...

“They promised me a big apartment on the beach and I found myself 200m from the sea with a view of my neighbours”.
 
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