The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 18th June 2013

[Stoof]

I hate the first page of hellos. What the fuck is the point. Stop cluttering unnecessarily.

 

[robbiedee]

I hate the first page of hellos. What the fuck is the point. Stop cluttering unnecessarily.

Hi Stoof.....

 

[talkshowhost86]

I hate the first page of hellos. What the fuck is the point. Stop cluttering unnecessarily.

Hello!

 

[Ionman34]

I think you're right.

Plenty of other clubs are likely to be interested as well so wouldn't surprise me if both players end up going to an oil-funded team rather than us.

I thought it was established that both had buy out clauses. If so then that is the price full stop. I won't pretend to understand how these clauses work in actuality, but what understanding I do have is that there are no add on's to the buy out price. In other words, the third party ownership is irrelevant. The club would have to accept the price then divvy out the money to all of the stakeholders depending on their percentage ownership.
As the law, in the Prem, is that 3rd party ownership is illegal, surely this means that they are then effectively selling off their stake?

Ultimately it means that this 3rd party ownership will have zero effect on the purchase and the only negotiating will be between the player and the club on his package.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

 

[kd2000]

I thought it was established that both had buy out clauses. If so then that is the price full stop. I won't pretend to understand how these clauses work in actuality, but what understanding I do have is that there are no add on's to the buy out price. In other words, the third party ownership is irrelevant. The club would have to accept the price then divvy out the money to all of the stakeholders depending on their percentage ownership.
As the law, in the Prem, is that 3rd party ownership is illegal, surely this means that they are then effectively selling off their stake?

Ultimately it means that this 3rd party ownership will have zero effect on the purchase and the only negotiating will be between the player and the club on his package.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

Im not sure but i think the 3rd party has an interest in negotiations as in an agent representation role, i.e. kia joorabchan for tevez

 

[Sum Monsterism]

I thought it was established that both had buy out clauses. If so then that is the price full stop. I won't pretend to understand how these clauses work in actuality, but what understanding I do have is that there are no add on's to the buy out price. In other words, the third party ownership is irrelevant. The club would have to accept the price then divvy out the money to all of the stakeholders depending on their percentage ownership.
As the law, in the Prem, is that 3rd party ownership is illegal, surely this means that they are then effectively selling off their stake?

Ultimately it means that this 3rd party ownership will have zero effect on the purchase and the only negotiating will be between the player and the club on his package.

It's all gonna be fine!

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

 

[am_yisrael_chai]

Looks good.... but the money to bring in these changes means we need to sell a lot more incl Defoe and Ade..

What, we'll have to sell Defoe and Ade to get a few hot Brazilians ?? Devastating, how will I go on

 

[talkshowhost86]

I thought it was established that both had buy out clauses. If so then that is the price full stop. I won't pretend to understand how these clauses work in actuality, but what understanding I do have is that there are no add on's to the buy out price. In other words, the third party ownership is irrelevant. The club would have to accept the price then divvy out the money to all of the stakeholders depending on their percentage ownership.
As the law, in the Prem, is that 3rd party ownership is illegal, surely this means that they are then effectively selling off their stake?

Ultimately it means that this 3rd party ownership will have zero effect on the purchase and the only negotiating will be between the player and the club on his package.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

To be honest I don't think anyone knows for certain but I think this is the problem in and of itself.

It wouldn't surprise me if the buyout clauses are massively complicated, and I very much doubt that it's a case of just meeting it and that's that.

There's also no guarantee that the buyout clause is actually a fair valuation of the players so we shouldn't just automatically accept that those are the prices we have to pay.

I'm sure that Levy's way of doing things also further complicates matters, so overall I just think they will be deals that end up being too hard to do. Hope I'm wrong though.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I hate the first page of hellos. What the fuck is the point. Stop cluttering unnecessarily.

I know.

We're all ****s. Fuck off with the politeness.

 

[cosmund]

I thought it was established that both had buy out clauses. If so then that is the price full stop. I won't pretend to understand how these clauses work in actuality, but what understanding I do have is that there are no add on's to the buy out price. In other words, the third party ownership is irrelevant. The club would have to accept the price then divvy out the money to all of the stakeholders depending on their percentage ownership.
As the law, in the Prem, is that 3rd party ownership is illegal, surely this means that they are then effectively selling off their stake?

Ultimately it means that this 3rd party ownership will have zero effect on the purchase and the only negotiating will be between the player and the club on his package.

Please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

imo it's not just the matter of buying, but also sth to do with regulations on work permit (ie. int. caps, etc.) as well, which make the already complicated transaction even more complicated. Yet, they are dealing with Mr. Daniel Levy, who is apparently not the easiest person to make a deal with.

 

[[email protected]]

just about signing one out of two tells me we could waste another whole window and end up on plan D on deadline day. ......... again.

Perhaps, Mat. But with Baldini potentially heading-up negotiations this time round, we might have real grounds for optimism ...

 

[DiscoD1882]

I hate the first page of hellos. What the fuck is the point. Stop cluttering unnecessarily.

manners cost nothing. just start on page 2.

 

[bugsdad]

you sir, are a pessimist.

Difference is that the situation in Brazil now is fragile. The nation could burst apart. I think the good players cant wait to get out before it erupts and that puts a new dynamic on the situation. Never a better time to but Brazilian then now.

 

[Sum Monsterism]

Difference is that the situation in Brazil now is fragile. The nation could burst apart. I think the good players cant wait to get out before it erupts and that puts a new dynamic on the situation. Never a better time to but Brazilian then now.

nothing like hoping for a country to fall apart, just so two of it's 196,700,134 population can come and kick a ball about at the Lane.

f*** the economic disaster, I want goals.

 

[Mullers]

What, we'll have to sell Defoe and Ade to get a few hot Brazilians ?? Devastating, how will I go on

Trouble is Paulinho and Bernard are both midfielders, Leandro been chasing for two years and counting, more chance of getting the loch ness monster, so selling Defoe and Ade without any replacements lined up, would be pretty dumb.

 

[Bablu37]

Buy-out clauses, I'm speculating, are easily matched when you pay the fee and be done with it. I'm sure its more complicated when it comes down to paying in installments and add-ons etc

 

[Yid-ol]

I hate the first page of hellos. What the fuck is the point. Stop cluttering unnecessarily.

First few pages of "Hello's"

next few pages of "i hate hello's"

alot of talk about not ITK info

maybe last few pages something remotely looking like ITK conversation

then Locked to start again the next day!

 

[lennon180]

The Leandro saga dragging on for a couple of years and the Sandro transfer being a pain in the arse could well be how Internacional do their dealing rather than south american teams overall. The chairman of Corinthians has pretty much said straightaway that a deal is to be made and there are quotes of some sort already from both players. This is a positive in my eyes and with Baldini there or thereabouts maybe we actually are on the verge of having another couple of Brazilians! Dealing with Inter has been like watching a fat kid at an all you can eat chinese buffet, there is just no end in sight. I'm hoping this time we get in do the deal and go on an crush the (supposed) top 4 clubs midfields for years to come

 

[Sum Monsterism]

The Leandro saga dragging on for a couple of years and the Sandro transfer being a pain in the arse could well be how Internacional do their dealing rather than south american teams overall. The chairman of Corinthians has pretty much said straightaway that a deal is to be made and there are quotes of some sort already from both players. This is a positive in my eyes and with Baldini there or thereabouts maybe we actually are on the verge of having another couple of Brazilians! Dealing with Inter has been like watching a fat kid at an all you can eat chinese buffet, there is just no end in sight. I'm hoping this time we get in do the deal and go on an crush the (supposed) top 4 clubs midfields for years to come

I think the injunction means you can't watch me. Cease and desist!

 

[CowInAComa]

nothing like hoping for a country to fall apart, just so two of it's 196,700,134 population can come and kick a ball about at the Lane.

f*** the economic disaster, I want goals.

I reckon with that size of population we should aim for 3 at least.