The Cricket Thread

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Its not often nearly all the pundits and fans agree that a change in management, quite a few players, and captain are needed. From only one warm up v Ireland (which turned out to be no better than a throw down) and playing an injured bowler in the first test, to watching Stokes dismissal which given the situation and importance of this test is probably the worst shot I've ever seen ,and all the bad play inbetween, its obvious this ship is rudderless.
I'd have waited till he (Stokes) was in the dressing room and then thrown my bat at him, that one stroke summed up all the probs for me. We need a leader , a new coach and a new batting mantra.
Up until yesterday I thought Stokes might be the man to take us thro, now it's Broad. I have no idea of his cricket smarts, I know one thing tho, he would have thrown his bat at Stokes, and that is exactly the type of man we need.

 

[dondo]

Its not often nearly all the pundits and fans agree that a change in management, quite a few players, and captain are needed. From only one warm up v Ireland (which turned out to be no better than a throw down) and playing an injured bowler in the first test, to watching Stokes dismissal which given the situation and importance of this test is probably the worst shot I've ever seen ,and all the bad play inbetween, its obvious this ship is rudderless.
I'd have waited till he (Stokes) was in the dressing room and then thrown my bat at him, but that one stroke summed up all the probs for me. We need a leader , a new coach and a new batting mantra.
Up until yesterday I thought Stokes might be the man to take us thro, now it's Broad. I have no idea of his cricket smarts, I know one thing tho, he would have thrown his bat at Stokes, and that is exactly the type of man we need.

We need a Hussain type he was the perfect character in a similar situation in our cricket in the late 90s. Not sure there is one about tbh.
It would be stokes or buttler as they are the only real options and I don’t think either are ideal as it would put too much on stokes plate and buttlers place in the side is not certain

 

[JimmyG2]

Can't see how the 100 ball game is going to help find Test Batsmen.
Save it for the kids to generate interest (and money of course)

Back to County Cricket and an end to Central Contracts is the way to go
if we want to build batting mentality and experience for a captain.

 

[LeSoupeKitchen]

Makes a lot of sense, but a few years ago the Aggers equivalent would have written - and did - that it was no use occupying the crease for 40 overs, scoring 20 then getting out and leaving the rest under scoreboard pressure. Teams like Australia were scoring so much quicker that our painstaking total was eclipsed in a session.

We'd kill for a player like that now of course - Cook, anyone? - but I guess it's about striking a happy medium. Put the bowler under pressure and you get more bad balls to hit, but don't be reckless and get out!

Completely agree. The pundits change their tune on a day to day basis. I listened to the TMS podcast after day 1 and Vaughan was saying how the game was set up perfectly for Roy and that he should attack. Just listened to the day 2 show and Vaughan is slating him for not having any patience and not being able to occupy the crease.

As you say it's about striking a happy medium. We are replicating what Australia tried in the last series in England and they failed. It's a brand of cricket I hated then and hate now as you either win or lose the game in a session which makes test cricket boring. It also brings luck much more into the game which I don't like. The game is decided by who gets away with more play and misses and whose edges go for four rather than to hand. That's why I'm not a huge fan of one day - a game can be won by someone swinging the bat and getting lucky rather than the most skilful team winning.

As with one day cricket, we should be replicating in NZ. They have to tools to attack and will give it a go but they can quickly switch to digging in when they start losing wickets.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

That interview with Thorpe was utter rubbish, Athertons questions and reasoning as well let him off the hook. Keep deflecting England.

 

[Gb160]

That interview with Thorpe was utter rubbish, Athertons questions and reasoning as well let him off the hook. Keep deflecting England.

I only saw part of it but the gist of it from what I saw was, 'its not our fault, its the players fault'
Is that accurate?

 

[aussiespursguy]

You guys are sounding like doomsdayers. It's not over yet chaps. You will have at least two days and a session. It's not over!

 

[Gb160]

You guys are sounding like doomsdayers. It's not over yet chaps. You will have at least two days and a session. It's not over!

Are u drunk?
Have u not seen us bat?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

I only saw part of it but the gist of it from what I saw was, 'its not our fault, its the players fault'
Is that accurate?

Always the way, and correct, Thorpe is just another cog in the old boys club.

Selectors aren't answering to the fact they have shoehorned an opener into this test team who hasn't opened in red ball cricket in over 3 years. There is a clue in there but they'll happily ignore it.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

You guys are sounding like doomsdayers. It's not over yet chaps. You will have at least two days and a session. It's not over!

Even if the improbable happens and we win this, the cracks have become a chasm.

 

[aussiespursguy]

Are u drunk?
Have u not seen us bat?

Yes. And I repeat, anything can happen

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Yes. And I repeat, anything can happen

You're suggesting the English top order remember how to bat in two and a half days?

 

[dondo]

You guys are sounding like doomsdayers. It's not over yet chaps. You will have at least two days and a session. It's not over!

Australia are 288 ahead even if we bowl them out for 300 (which we won’t) I wouldn’t fancy us getting there in 2 innings let alone 1

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

Even if our batsmen perform, its not for the Captain or the Coach its for themselves. Big change needed

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Sending Thorpe out to front up was pretty poor, even if he is batting coach. Root, face the music and stop hiding, you're going to have to answer questions at some point. Having said that, he'll only come out with his usual soundbites. before this match it was how they were going to "put in a performance"................He is not a leader and he doesn't inspire confidence, you wouldn't want him next to you in the trenches.

 

[SE Spurs]

Fcks sake, how many times has Labuschagne been dropped. We can't help ourselves.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Bairstow has to be finished after this test. Can’t bat and can’t keep wicket whilst Foakes is levels above him with the bat and the gloves.

Pathetic keeping from a guy who throws his toys out of the pram every time he loses the gloves.

 

[SargeantMeatCurtains]

Sending Thorpe out to front up was pretty poor, even if he is batting coach. Root, face the music and stop hiding, you're going to have to answer questions at some point. Having said that, he'll only come out with his usual soundbites. before this match it was how they were going to "put in a performance"................He is not a leader and he doesn't inspire confidence, you wouldn't want him next to you in the trenches.

England have been bowled out for less than 100 four times in 18 months and guess who has been thrust in front of the media every time?

 

[SteveH]

I'm a big Root fan from the batting standpoint and I don't see them changing the captain mid-series?
And I can't think of any replacement atm?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Sending Thorpe out to front up was pretty poor, even if he is batting coach. Root, face the music and stop hiding, you're going to have to answer questions at some point. Having said that, he'll only come out with his usual soundbites. before this match it was how they were going to "put in a performance"................He is not a leader and he doesn't inspire confidence, you wouldn't want him next to you in the trenches.

No point sending anyone else out. The head coach is leaving in two test matches time, his job is done. Unless Thorpe is staying on, it was token. It's not as though Atherton pressed him with any real questions, none of these wankers are going to shit on something that keeps them in a job.