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Phomesy

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Except it wasn't just one stupid decision but, as the independent review stated, a "winning without counting the costs" culture within Cricket Australia and the national team. The review also found that their sledging had strayed into harassment territory, found examples of bullying within CA and concluded: "A culture of disrespect runs through men’s cricket". Australian cricket has had a problem for a while - look at Darren Lehmann's comments about Broad: "I just hope the Australian public give it to him right from the word go for the whole summer and I hope he cries and he goes home". Can you imagine any other national coach calling for that to happen?

This is unfortunately all true and was a a problem for years. Being successfull does not require you to be a shit person or have a shit culture.

Having said that similar traits are now found in many other dressing room cultures not least the English and Indian. Hopefully the disgrace of the Aussies will help all to have a fucking word with themselves and remember how to "win well".
 

McFlash

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I've just watched the highlights and I'm still buzzing, not just for the result but also for the absolute fucking excitement of the game!
I've also just realised that I have no idea who won the Grand Prix or the tennis!
 

aussiespursguy

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Well you have finally won the big Dance. Congrats.
England have been the best team in the 50 over game for the past few years so certainly were due.
Certainly feel for the Kiwi's who didn't "lose" the game, but were beaten due to rules.

So now, time for the real stuff. This Ashes series should be awesome. We are much much stronger with Smith and Warner (no matter how I personally feel about Warner) in the team. Oh and booing them is not going to put them off A&C, just make them stronger. (y)

A lot will ride on the internal game due in just over a week for a few spots. Named an initial 25 man squad that includes Alex Carey and Cameron Bancroft. Most of the squad will pick itself i think.

https://www.cricket.com.au/news/aus...croft-smith-warner-pucovski-siddle/2019-07-14
 

Spurger King

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In all seriousness you'd have to go far to find someone who detests that aspect of the Aussie cricket culture than me and many other Aussies. A cancer that has hopefully been rooted out.

Genuine question. You’re not that guy on TFC that everyone hates?
 

glospur

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Haha trust you lot to win the World Cup on a fucking technicality. But congratulations nonetheless. Hopefully this leads to a spike in popularity of the sport in England, similar to the 2005 Ashes. Speaking of which, now it's time for the real stuff. Looking forward to it.

look at Darren Lehmann's comments about Broad: "I just hope the Australian public give it to him right from the word go for the whole summer and I hope he cries and he goes home". Can you imagine any other national coach calling for that to happen?
Yeah, but let's think about which incident was worse.

Smith just oversaw a little bit of work done to the ball. Broad stood his ground when he smashed the cover off it to first slip. Broad's was a far more heinous offence. He deserved everything he got that Ashes down here. :p
 

Sandros Shiny Head

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I don't remember Athers being suspended from the game for 18 months?

Probably because he wasn't. And also probably why most cricket people in UK think the treatment of Warner and Smith was WAYYY over the top because no one has ever copped such severe treatment for similar actions in cricket history.

But Smith and Warner, rightly, copped their full whack because, rightly, the Australian people were utterly disgusted by their actions.

And the English have every right to have their go BUT there does seem to be a rather unedifying level lack of self-analysis and reflection going on. One might almost use the word "hypocritical". Unless of course the next crowd at the Oval were to storm the media box and boo Athers into his sackcloth and ashes. Or refuse to watch Stuart Broad ever bowl again.

What Smith and Warner did was disgusting - and should never be forgotten. But they've paid their price. At some point the "booing" just reflects more on those booing than those who have paid a significant price for a significant unsportsmanlike act.
It’s not really even about what they did specifically. Warner is a ****, and Smith was also involved in something that got him in trouble, therefore the England fans are going to let them hear it for ever. It’s a pretty basic sports concept and the fact that Australians have no understanding of the irony behind their behaviour and the crying about booing just makes it even better and less likely to go away
 

aussiespursguy

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It’s not really even about what they did specifically. Warner is a ****, and Smith was also involved in something that got him in trouble, therefore the England fans are going to let them hear it for ever. It’s a pretty basic sports concept and the fact that Australians have no understanding of the irony behind their behaviour and the crying about booing just makes it even better and less likely to go away
To be honest, its more about English fans forever envying our success. You hate how successful our team has been for eons. 26 of the last 41 ashes series have gone our way (and thats taking it back to 1934) and you hate it.
You guys gloated like preening roosters when we had our problems 18 months ago.
Lets see if the preening continues in a few months. If it does then fair play. Well done. I will be the first to say well done.
Lets see how many of you congratulate us if we win, or play the cheat hand, as i suspect so many will do.

As i said boo them all you like, it will only make them stronger. (much as it did Broad a few years ago)

Edit - Not having a go at you, just an observation my friend.
 

Gb160

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To be honest, its more about English fans forever envying our success. You hate how successful our team has been for eons. 26 of the last 41 ashes series have gone our way (and thats taking it back to 1934) and you hate it.
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Archibald&Crooks

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To be honest, its more about English fans forever envying our success. .
Is it fuck (and I suspect deep down you know it :D). You have two players who fucked up and they are going to cop for some banter, it's got nothing to do with envy, it's just how it's always been. Doubly so in Warners case because he is a detestable nerk who deserves it and in Smith's case because he carried on the fine tradition of Australian captains crying during press conferences.

A year ago, you were all Warner is a **** who will never play for Australia again and Smith will be lucky to. Now, boo them and we're bad sports, it's gone from one extreme to the other :playful:

Meanwhile, we're still laughing at your misfortune and taking full advantage of the opportunity to take the piss out of it, not sitting here riddled with jealousy.
 
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littlewilly

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Back at Ya

Just proves the comment.
World cup? Meh. Been there done that. Make you feel better? :whistle:
At least we win with more runs or more wickets! (y)
The trouble with Aussies is that they're/we're such bloody awful winners. By way of contrast, take a look at the humility and sportsmanship of the New Zealanders in victory and defeat.
 

LeSoupeKitchen

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I don't remember Athers being suspended from the game for 18 months?

Probably because he wasn't. And also probably why most cricket people in UK think the treatment of Warner and Smith was WAYYY over the top because no one has ever copped such severe treatment for similar actions in cricket history.

But Smith and Warner, rightly, copped their full whack because, rightly, the Australian people were utterly disgusted by their actions.

And the English have every right to have their go BUT there does seem to be a rather unedifying level lack of self-analysis and reflection going on. One might almost use the word "hypocritical". Unless of course the next crowd at the Oval were to storm the media box and boo Athers into his sackcloth and ashes. Or refuse to watch Stuart Broad ever bowl again.

What Smith and Warner did was disgusting - and should never be forgotten. But they've paid their price. At some point the "booing" just reflects more on those booing than those who have paid a significant price for a significant unsportsmanlike act.

Ahahaha - being called a hypocrite by an Aussie! The booing is because Australia are the biggest hypocrites of them all.
 
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'O Zio

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More like how many shot on goal they have, if you ain’t going to give both teams the trophy then you have to find some way of separating them.

I appreciate they have to decide somehow, but surely having wickets in hand Vs being all out is a much better decider than the number of boundaries? It would make far more sense for NZ to have "won by 2 wickets" to be honest. I would accept if broth teams had the same number of runs AND the same number of wickets that you need to go to a super over, but as NZ still had wickets in hand it seems to me to be very harsh that that counts for nothing
 
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