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Trix

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The only thing this world cup delivered that I didn't approve of was booing of Smith/Warner. Pathetic.
Really? Is that cos it's cricket, or should cheats in general not get any abuse from the people who ultimately pay them to be in such a privelaged position?
 

Ossie'sAardvark

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Really? Is that cos it's cricket, or should cheats in general not get any abuse from the people who ultimately pay them to be in such a privelaged position?
Are you suggesting ball tampering has happened only with him? I dont remember the same for Atherton, do you?
 

Spurger King

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Agree. As much as I'm glad we won it does seem incredibly harsh on NZ. So we had equal run totals but they did it with wickets to spare so surely that is a better tiebreaker than how many boundaries you hit, which is a completely arbitrary statistic in comparison. It's like deciding who wins the football world cup based on how many corners each team had or something stupid.

Corners and shots on goal have been suggested as alternatives to penalties. The idea being that it’s an indication of a more attacking and positive approach to a game. Not saying I agree with it.

Very pleased for the England and Wales cricket fans. Once again (after the England rugby World Cup win), I’m simply not much of a fan of either sport, although I really enjoyed the Ashes in 2005. I have a lot of friends who are massive cricket fans (some of them literally), so despite not being a fan myself I can recognise how this is a great day for English sport (and Wales presumably, or am I wrong?).

In an alternative universe somewhere, England won the football World Cup last year, Spurs won the CL, and England won the cricket World Cup. Just my luck that the one in this universe means very little on a personal level, but it’s still a nice pick me up for a few people.
 

JCRD

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Agree. As much as I'm glad we won it does seem incredibly harsh on NZ. So we had equal run totals but they did it with wickets to spare so surely that is a better tiebreaker than how many boundaries you hit, which is a completely arbitrary statistic in comparison. It's like deciding who wins the football world cup based on how many corners each team had or something stupid.

I agree, surely getting more players out than the opposition is a better criteria? I mean in a D/L method, they dont just award to the team with the most boundaries but judge it on runs and wickets?
 

JCRD

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Not necessarily, the team chasing is under the pressure of a run chase and likely to make more mistakes by going for boundaries. England when opening are brutal and rack up a shed load of boundaries. Today we didn’t run many 1s, 2s or 3s and opted to go for boundaries only. This nearly cost us in the end but it was also down to fitness, Roy and Bairstow are both carrying injuries and by the end Stokes was absolutely exhausted.

Im not a cricket purist but id have thought that a team batting second know what they need to get so can pace their innings accordingly... so they will always try to get more boundaries but obviously you know more than I do...

I do think though that wickets in hand or taken count more than boundaries? i mean surely
 

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Ossie'sAardvark

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NZ should be applauded for their behaviour. When Boult caught Stokes on the boundary and Guptill indicated it was a six rather than claim the catch he showed why many respect this NZ team. If the Aussies truly want to live up to their 'elite honesty' slogan then they should follow the example Kane Williamson and his team set.
TBH too much out of too little. The Aussies were more upset than the rest of the world put together, I like/admire our enemy. One fucking stupid decision isnt gonna change that for me.
 

Phomesy

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NZ should be applauded for their behaviour. When Boult caught Stokes on the boundary and Guptill indicated it was a six rather than claim the catch he showed why many respect this NZ team. If the Aussies truly want to live up to their 'elite honesty' slogan then they should follow the example Kane Williamson and his team set.

Similarly Stokes' genuine chagrin when the ball hit his bat and went for four (the moment that kept England in the contest tbf) was another moment of proper sportsmanship. There was simply nothing anyone could do - rules of the game. But he knew and acknowledged it was a slice of luck neither he nor NZ deserved.

Was truly a game for the ages. The Kiwis catching deserved the victory. But so did Stokes' batting and Archer's bowling. Sad there had to be a loser tbf
 

Trix

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Are you suggesting ball tampering has happened only with him? I dont remember the same for Atherton, do you?
This is a world cup, not a sunday side that's paid a ringer. Its not about the winner
Or indeed should I now boo Stuart Broad?

Jeez dude, you could have just said all that in one post instead of quoting me 3 times.

Anyway, yes I'm all for letting cheats know they are ****s no matter who they are or who they play for. And yes if you get to that level and still need to cheat you are 100% a **** in my eyes!!!
 

LSUY

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TBH too much out of too little. The Aussies were more upset than the rest of the world put together, I like/admire our enemy. One fucking stupid decision isnt gonna change that for me.

Except it wasn't just one stupid decision but, as the independent review stated, a "winning without counting the costs" culture within Cricket Australia and the national team. The review also found that their sledging had strayed into harassment territory, found examples of bullying within CA and concluded: "A culture of disrespect runs through men’s cricket". Australian cricket has had a problem for a while - look at Darren Lehmann's comments about Broad: "I just hope the Australian public give it to him right from the word go for the whole summer and I hope he cries and he goes home". Can you imagine any other national coach calling for that to happen?
 

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Warner should absolutely be booed. He's the most despicable **** in cricket. If he goes to the supermarket, he needs to be booed. Drive-through Macdonalds? Booed. Crying like a baby during a press conference? Booed. Stood next to him in the bog having a slash? Booed.

As for Smith, well, there was always going to be an initial reaction from fans, especially in England and maybe someday his weakness as a captain will be forgotten. But for probably the majority of the coming Ashes series, the Barmy Army are going to make capital out of it. It'd probably help Smith if Warner wasn't around to be tainted by his ****yness.

If I'm giving the impression that I don't like Warner, then good, that's fucking right. He's a ****. Booooooooooooooo
 

Phomesy

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I don't remember Athers being suspended from the game for 18 months?

Probably because he wasn't. And also probably why most cricket people in UK think the treatment of Warner and Smith was WAYYY over the top because no one has ever copped such severe treatment for similar actions in cricket history.

But Smith and Warner, rightly, copped their full whack because, rightly, the Australian people were utterly disgusted by their actions.

And the English have every right to have their go BUT there does seem to be a rather unedifying level lack of self-analysis and reflection going on. One might almost use the word "hypocritical". Unless of course the next crowd at the Oval were to storm the media box and boo Athers into his sackcloth and ashes. Or refuse to watch Stuart Broad ever bowl again.

What Smith and Warner did was disgusting - and should never be forgotten. But they've paid their price. At some point the "booing" just reflects more on those booing than those who have paid a significant price for a significant unsportsmanlike act.
 

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look at Darren Lehmann's comments about Broad: "I just hope the Australian public give it to him right from the word go for the whole summer and I hope he cries and he goes home". Can you imagine any other national coach calling for that to happen?
And then whathisname, the current Australian coach, saying it doesn't look good if fans boo the cheating **** known as Warner and his guppy faced co-conspirator Smith.
 

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Never has the difference between winning and losing been to marginal. Fantastic if unreal finish to a competition that is far too long. My big hope though is that the final at least will inspire some kids to have a go at the game. Cricket still remains the greatest game of all
 

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I don't remember Athers being suspended from the game for 18 months?

Probably because he wasn't. And also probably why most cricket people in UK think the treatment of Warner and Smith was WAYYY over the top because no one has ever copped such severe treatment for similar actions in cricket history.

But Smith and Warner, rightly, copped their full whack because, rightly, the Australian people were utterly disgusted by their actions.

And the English have every right to have their go BUT there does seem to be a rather unedifying level lack of self-analysis and reflection going on. One might almost use the word "hypocritical". Unless of course the next crowd at the Oval were to storm the media box and boo Athers into his sackcloth and ashes. Or refuse to watch Stuart Broad ever bowl again.

What Smith and Warner did was disgusting - and should never be forgotten. But they've paid their price. At some point the "booing" just reflects more on those booing than those who have paid a significant price for a significant unsportsmanlike act.
haha

booooooooooooooo
 

TEESSIDE1

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Im not a cricket purist but id have thought that a team batting second know what they need to get so can pace their innings accordingly... so they will always try to get more boundaries but obviously you know more than I do...

I do think though that wickets in hand or taken count more than boundaries? i mean surely

The score today was very low by one day international cricket standards. England frequently hit 330-360 and at times on several occasions hit over 400, and hold the highest one day score of nearly 500.

To chase down 300 plus is very difficult and you need to go at it from the word go otherwise you’ll fall way behind the run rate. To do that you need to attack from start to finish and that often = losing a lot of quick wickets and ultimately the match. It’s a lot harder to chase a target than it is to set a target.
 
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