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midoNdefoe

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I wouldn't say laughable. I'd still prefer Hugo out of the two generally, but I don't think the difference between them based on this season is "laughable". I'd say it's rather close.

I like Gazza, he's looking like he could be great.
But, he's only played in a few games. My point being: the saves, distribution and any other positive one would like to attribute to him can be said about Lloris 10x over. I worry many on here are starting to take his incredible ability for granted. The nitpicking of Lloris' distribution continues to grate on me as he is mostly excellent with it and very few keepers are better than him at it.
 

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I like Gazza, he's looking like he could be great.
But, he's only played in a few games. My point being: the saves, distribution and any other positive one would like to attribute to him can be said about Lloris 10x over. I worry many on here are starting to take his incredible ability for granted. The nitpicking of Lloris' distribution continues to grate on me as he is mostly excellent with it and very few keepers are better than him at it.
Lloris' distribution excellent? How??! He can't kick the ball very far and he's very wayward with his passing accuracy. I would say his distribution is very average at best. Gazza has far better distribution skills.
 

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To be fair, his passing accuracy is going to be quite high considering how deep the back line drops to give him an easy pass to make. I'd be interested in seeing the stats for longer passes (30+ yards) as I feel that's where Lloris' shortfalls are.

Yep. Most of his passing is sideways to the split CB's but often they will be behind the player. Counts as a successful pass but still requires a couple touches to get out and face up. He is a fantastic keeper but you can't honestly say with a straight face his distribution is up there with the best.

I would give Gazza his chance tonight. He's our domestic cup keeper, stick with the guy, he's done nothing wrong.
 

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To be fair, his passing accuracy is going to be quite high considering how deep the back line drops to give him an easy pass to make. I'd be interested in seeing the stats for longer passes (30+ yards) as I feel that's where Lloris' shortfalls are.

Been watching him closely this season, he's improved his long kicking so the stats should be comparatively high compared to last season, to be fair his long kicking is a weak part of his game but I just don't agree with those saying that his kicking is average.
 

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Lloris invariably kicks the ball out into touch on the edge of our last third once a game when under pressure. He has also made quiet a few major blunders this season gifting opponents goals, and almost singlehandedly got us knocked out of the CL in the group stages with his mistakes against Barca and PSV. He is still first choice, but I can see Gazza challenging him next season for #1. Gazza has far superior distribution but needs to be more dominant aerially on crosses. Lloris is rapid off his line and a better reflex shot stopper (two things at which he is probably best in the world at).
 

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Lloris

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To be fair, his passing accuracy is going to be quite high considering how deep the back line drops to give him an easy pass to make. I'd be interested in seeing the stats for longer passes (30+ yards) as I feel that's where Lloris' shortfalls are.

Anyone who says Lloris's long kicking isn't relatively shite compared to the rest of his attributes is deluding themselves.

So many instances in his career where poor clearances/decisions with the ball at his feet have ended up in the back of his net.
 

midoNdefoe

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Lloris' distribution excellent? How??! He can't kick the ball very far and he's very wayward with his passing accuracy. I would say his distribution is very average at best. Gazza has far better distribution skills.

Haha! Based on what?!

It's akin to saying my mate is better than Bale at overheads because he scored 2 absolute peaches in the park this weekend.
 

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Lloris invariably kicks the ball out into touch on the edge of our last third once a game when under pressure. He has also made quiet a few major blunders this season gifting opponents goals, and almost singlehandedly got us knocked out of the CL in the group stages with his mistakes against Barca and PSV. He is still first choice, but I can see Gazza challenging him next season for #1. Gazza has far superior distribution but needs to be more dominant aerially on crosses. Lloris is rapid off his line and a better reflex shot stopper (two things at which he is probably best in the world at).

He also kept us in the CL tie against Inter if you want to take those moments in isolation.
 

midoNdefoe

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Where is this crazy hype about Gazzaniga's distribution coming from???

Am I going to eat my words when i get on youtube and search 'best GK distribution'? Am i going to be inundated with the endless pin-point 70yard through-balls i must have blinked through in his handful of games?

I'm not saying he is bad, but i'd like some evidence to back-up the claims of this 'far better distribution'...
 

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Actually 2nd in the league last season according to this:

http://www.90min.in/posts/6025149-t...assing-accuracy-in-the-2017-18-premier-league

Be interesting to see where he is now
Thats very misleading as are most stats.
If Lloris throws it to a full back who is under pressure but he receives the ball the stat shows he has good distribution. The fact the full back should never have been given the ball, we lost possesion and conceded from it doesnt enter into it.
Likewise if Gazza doesnt get us in the shit needlessly but clears the ball up the pitch, an opp player wins it, but we nick it straight back on half way line and score, it shows his distribution as shit!
I know what I see and I dont need a stat to tell me of his distribution is poor or not. Id like to see a stat for goalkeepers who kick the ball off the pitch the most but again that would have to be percentage based and not just a number.
 
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slartibartfast

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Where is this crazy hype about Gazzaniga's distribution coming from???

Am I going to eat my words when i get on youtube and search 'best GK distribution'? Am i going to be inundated with the endless pin-point 70yard through-balls i must have blinked through in his handful of games?

I'm not saying he is bad, but i'd like some evidence to back-up the claims of this 'far better distribution'...
Id suggest watching the fkin game mate and stop looking at stats to tell you what you're watching.
 

dimiSpur

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Haha! Based on what?!

It's akin to saying my mate is better than Bale at overheads because he scored 2 absolute peaches in the park this weekend.
In what way is it akin to saying that? Where have I said he's better at distribution due to a single game?

Hugo is average at distribution is an opinion I base on watching him over the years he's played for us and the almost weekly clanger at at least one clearance or shockingly misplaced pass.

Gazza is a lot more confident on the ball and has a longer kick, as well as more accurate passing. I fail to see how anyone could see anything to the contrary.
 

JonnySpurs

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Id suggest watching the fkin game mate and stop looking at stats to tell you what you're watching.

Agreed, I've certainly noticed how good Gazza's kicking is. In fact I believe both our goals vs Arsenal in the previous round started from Gazza kicking long very accurately.

Everybody knows Lloris has very average distribution and has made a number of sloppy passes to put us in trouble.

Anyway, the onus will be on Chelsea to pick a team that doesn't get battered like they did in the league. I don't expect it to be as easy as it was that day but equally they're struggling to score in games with their strikers in poor form so hopefully we can keep a clean sheet and get 2-0 win.

Strongest possible team required.
 

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Lloris invariably kicks the ball out into touch on the edge of our last third once a game when under pressure. He has also made quiet a few major blunders this season gifting opponents goals, and almost singlehandedly got us knocked out of the CL in the group stages with his mistakes against Barca and PSV. He is still first choice, but I can see Gazza challenging him next season for #1. Gazza has far superior distribution but needs to be more dominant aerially on crosses. Lloris is rapid off his line and a better reflex shot stopper (two things at which he is probably best in the world at).

No he didn't, please stop talking shit.

1. With or without Lloris mistake, we were never going to win that game against Barca the way Messi took charge.

2. It's highly debatable to say Lloris made a mistake at the PSV game. Yup, he made a rash decision, but it was a decision that ended up saving a goal from Lozano. Plus, Lloris wasn't even on the field when PSV got their equalizer, so to blame him for our lose of points that day seems very agenda driven to me.

3. Also, on that same game, Toby and Sanchez conspired to give away to PSV their first goal.

4. He didn't even play the game at Inter, which was the one which set up Inter for a great start and us for a horrible one.

So, you see, it's highly inacurate to say Lloris alone was the reason why we had such a tough time on the CL and almost got knocked out. But sure, keep spreading this retarded anti-Lloris narrative. Soon enough you guys will achieve your objective and we will end up losing one of our best and most important players and will most likely replace him with someone half as good as him (like Gazzaniga, who is a fine shot stopper, but not as good as Lloris and who looks like he's trying to catch butterflies each time he has to deal with a cross).
 

slartibartfast

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Ive jad enough of this Lloris / Gazza shit, I'm off to the Team v Chelsea thread.


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