Standing At Games

[marion52]

Wonder who has already been banned then?

 

[riggi]

If you’re in an area where everyone is sitting and you stand then you are a dick. If everyone is standing then it should be kept that way.

Behind the goals should always be a standing area IMO.

 

[riggi]

Wonder who has already been banned then?

Loads from my block I reckon.

 

[spursgirls]

I'd be happy to have standing areas for those who want to stand and seats for those who want to sit. Standing is fine if you're 6' tall, but but you're a shorter woman, having people standing in front of you all the time is frustrating because you can't see a thing and it makes your back ache trying to stretch taller to see lol. Sitting down I can see the whole pitch, so it's no contest for me. That's not to say I don't stand up when it gets exciting!

 

[homer hotspur]

Wonder who has already been banned then?

I assume these are likely to be people who disputed with stewards or who were in the minority in an area as in most of the North and South Stands, there was no choice other than to stand whether you wanted to or not.

 

[Blackrat1299]

But your original point is flawed. There is no change to the law required to allow standing, because standing is not illegal. If it were law, an Act of Parliament would be required to change it. It isn't because there is no such law.

Current policy is that standing is not allowed - although this has different interpretations and is a significant grey area, particularly around 'moments of excitement' and 'persistent standing'.

You are right that the club can't market standing or non-standing areas - that's why it's important that fans use a little common sense, as Dougal so wisely suggested.

That part of your statement is incorrect, The 1989 Football Spectators Act that requires clubs to have all-seated stadia if Parliament wishes to take it further it could be done by making a Statutory Instrument, under that Act, it does not need to be voted on or need a royal assent, just a ministers signature.

 

[spursfan77]

If they wanted me to sit down during games then maybe they should have designed the safe standing rails better. I have a post that comes down by my left knee that will be painful to sit next to with my leg pressed up against it. I doubt I’m the only one with the issue.

 

[Dannyspur]

The stewards in our block started telling those at the back of the stand to sit down first as they couldn't be arsed to go down to the front despite the fact that we were only stood up as we couldn't see because of those in standing front of us.

The terraces of old could be really scary - being crammed in and lifted off your feet and then unable to stop yourself being carried downwards until those in front hit one of the few barriers. I remember being winded a few times.

 

[Jimmypearce7]

I’m in the Park Lane upper. I’d prefer to sit, which is why I didn’t sit in the lower part designated as safe standing but I think the stewards have the wrong approach.
They should let people settle in first. If everyone around me wants to stand, I’ll stand too- we will work it out and we don’t need the heavy handed intervention.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

If you’re in an area where everyone is sitting and you stand then you are a dick. If everyone is standing then it should be kept that way.

Behind the goals should always be a standing area IMO.

Its alright saying that but my brother has a leg injury he struggled to get to his seat and then had to try to stand through the whole game - and there was a kid along the line and he couldn't see a thing - its not as straightforward as saying its what you expect because it s not the case anymore standing at football matches is a thing of the past

I would guess a majority of the crowd have never stood on the terraces at a top level match -

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

Looks like the club might be getting serious about this.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/47915073

 

[riggi]

Its alright saying that but my brother has a leg injury he struggled to get to his seat and then had to try to stand through the whole game - and there was a kid along the line and he couldn't see a thing - its not as straightforward as saying its what you expect because it s not the case anymore standing at football matches is a thing of the past

I would guess a majority of the crowd have never stood on the terraces at a top level match -

Park lane lower and parts of the shelf were always standing. Personally I believe that behind the goals and in particular, next to the away fans should always be standing. There are plenty of other parts of the ground that are all seating and always have been.

The club want to bang on about having a great atmosphere but that comes from the people standing. Putting the 1882 lot bang in the middle of the “wall of noise” was bizarre.

I get people have mobility issues and I know someone who kept away as he had a pretty nasty crash that’s left him on crutches. People such as my dad probably don’t want to stand all game and that’s why he’s got his ticket where he did.

It’s something that was always going to be an issue in the first few seasons of the stadium. People arrogantly laughed at West Ham in fighting but the same situation is unfolding here.

If my section becomes all seating then I’ll look to move ASAP and I’m sure those sitting in standing areas will do so aswell.

 

[Lighty64]

Park lane lower and parts of the shelf were always standing. Personally I believe that behind the goals and in particular, next to the away fans should always be standing. There are plenty of other parts of the ground that are all seating and always have been.

The club want to bang on about having a great atmosphere but that comes from the people standing. Putting the 1882 lot bang in the middle of the “wall of noise” was bizarre.

I get people have mobility issues and I know someone who kept away as he had a pretty nasty crash that’s left him on crutches. People such as my dad probably don’t want to stand all game and that’s why he’s got his ticket where he did.

It’s something that was always going to be an issue in the first few seasons of the stadium. People arrogantly laughed at West Ham in fighting but the same situation is unfolding here.

If my section becomes all seating then I’ll look to move ASAP and I’m sure those sitting in standing areas will do so aswell.

the big difference is you are used to standing, because you used to be in the Park Lane. a lot of people in the Paxton are used to sitting even behind the goal, because that's what they used to do in the old stadium.

I do disagree with the noise level being different though whether sitting or standing. if you have a group around you that want to create an atmosphere it's just a case of people being the cheer leaders.

Disabled people have suffered for years with their disabilities, and in a lot of cases suffer a lot of discrimination, in life and work. it's unfair to many that now can't enjoy a football match because they have to suffer from either standing all the time, or everytime something exciting might happen. They have got the disabled section perfect for the South stand (only found out by mistake with a transfer for the City game). the other thing is even though the East and West are perfect, they are a lot more expensive, and due to some peoples disability it is very hard to earn a living.

 

[riggi]

the big difference is you are used to standing, because you used to be in the Park Lane. a lot of people in the Paxton are used to sitting even behind the goal, because that's what they used to do in the old stadium.

I do disagree with the noise level being different though whether sitting or standing. if you have a group around you that want to create an atmosphere it's just a case of people being the cheer leaders.

Disabled people have suffered for years with their disabilities, and in a lot of cases suffer a lot of discrimination, in life and work. it's unfair to many that now can't enjoy a football match because they have to suffer from either standing all the time, or everytime something exciting might happen. They have got the disabled section perfect for the South stand (only found out by mistake with a transfer for the City game). the other thing is even though the East and West are perfect, they are a lot more expensive, and due to some peoples disability it is very hard to earn a living.

Yes and no. I had a membership so would often end up in park lane upper which was sitting.

I get what you are saying about Paxton but the new Paxton was never going to be like the old one due to the relocation of the away fans.

The ticket pricing is an issue that I would agree with but I’m just advocating the lower ends behind the goals for standing. That leaves a lot of the ground open to those who want to sit.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on the point about atmosphere being better/worse with sitting/standing.

 

[Lighty64]

Yes and no. I had a membership so would often end up in park lane upper which was sitting.

I get what you are saying about Paxton but the new Paxton was never going to be like the old one due to the relocation of the away fans.

The ticket pricing is an issue that I would agree with but I’m just advocating the lower ends behind the goals for standing. That leaves a lot of the ground open to those who want to sit.

We’ll have to agree to disagree on the point about atmosphere being better/worse with sitting/standing.

tomorrow I'm in the North middle tier (if you fancy a quick beer though will be there to early for you lol) and unfortunately will suffer when it comes to key moments when we attack the Paxton. Myself I would say that most of those originally in the old Park Lane would of stayed there, it's only the 1's that want the interaction with the away that might of headed there

 

[riggi]

tomorrow I'm in the North middle tier (if you fancy a quick beer though will be there to early for you lol) and unfortunately will suffer when it comes to key moments when we attack the Paxton. Myself I would say that most of those originally in the old Park Lane would of stayed there, it's only the 1's that want the interaction with the away that might of headed there

 

[Grey Fox]

The problem with banning people who persistently stand, especially those next to the away fans, is that it's an uneven playing field. Away fans nearly always stand throughout and the police/stewards are not going to evict 3,000 .Utd are probably the worst and my memory might be wrong, but I'm sure at least one club refused to sell allocations to them after several seasons of warning them.

 

[chrissivad]

The problem with banning people who persistently stand, especially those next to the away fans, is that it's an uneven playing field. Away fans nearly always stand throughout and the police/stewards are not going to evict 3,000 .Utd are probably the worst and my memory might be wrong, but I'm sure at least one club refused to sell allocations to them after several seasons of warning them.

I think the people that have been banned (I think it's just 2) have probably done more than just stand.

 

[nailsy]

If they wanted me to sit down during games then maybe they should have designed the safe standing rails better. I have a post that comes down by my left knee that will be painful to sit next to with my leg pressed up against it. I doubt I’m the only one with the issue.

You should let the club know

Park lane lower and parts of the shelf were always standing. Personally I believe that behind the goals and in particular, next to the away fans should always be standing. There are plenty of other parts of the ground that are all seating and always have been.

The club want to bang on about having a great atmosphere but that comes from the people standing. Putting the 1882 lot bang in the middle of the “wall of noise” was bizarre.

I get people have mobility issues and I know someone who kept away as he had a pretty nasty crash that’s left him on crutches. People such as my dad probably don’t want to stand all game and that’s why he’s got his ticket where he did.

It’s something that was always going to be an issue in the first few seasons of the stadium. People arrogantly laughed at West Ham in fighting but the same situation is unfolding here.

If my section becomes all seating then I’ll look to move ASAP and I’m sure those sitting in standing areas will do so aswell.

Are the people who make the most noise louder because they're standing, or because they're the younger, fitter and more aggressive (in a good way) members of the crowd? Why can't the people who like to stand adapt and be just as loud and engaging as they are now while sitting? Surely as long as you're surrounded by like-minded people who want to generate as much noise as possible you're still going to generate as much of an atmosphere?
Like others say the ideal solution is to have a standing area, but until that comes in some of the standers might need to amendd their ways if they don't want to be banned.

 

[JCRD]

I think it is uncalled for banning people - if youre going to ban one or two youll need to ban thousands... I do think something needs to be done but the problem is you cannot just have an area where people can stand because well... then by implication its a standing area and that isnt entirely allowed. So what is the solution?

Also away fans always stand, so what is the difference? Because we have no control and cant ban other teams fans?