Standing At Games

[whitesocks]

They need to incentivise sitting in the stands where they really really don't want people to stand.
Perhaps the seats could be heated in winter or pleasantly vibrate in the summer - who wouldn't want that?

And the stewards could give out bags of sweets/peanuts to those complying with their demands rather than fighting with them.

 

[absolute bobbins]

The club should offer itself up for a pilot of top flight Safe Standing and make a big show of doing so. We're ready for it and we can run two density trials simultaniously. We can run a 1x1 test in the away end and a 1x1.25 or 1x1.5 in the south stand

 

[Rob]

While officially it’s all seater my point about doing research stands (pardon pun). If you’re spending at least a grand on something take 10 minutes to find out what you’re buying. And if you do happen to land upon a ticket for the Park Lane, do your best to embrace it instead of being ‘that guy’.

What happens when that research says that all stadium is the UK are fully seated by law?

 

[Dougal]

What happens when that research says that all stadium is the UK are fully seated by law?

Second referendum?

 

[hughy]

While officially it’s all seater my point about doing research stands (pardon pun). If you’re spending at least a grand on something take 10 minutes to find out what you’re buying. And if you do happen to land upon a ticket for the Park Lane, do your best to embrace it instead of being ‘that guy’.

Considering the south stand ST's sold out in the first few phases (obviously barring 1882), I can't imagine ANYONE who bought a ticket was under the impression it was going to be a seated section.

If they did, they're thick as fuck.

 

[Mouse!]

Sit for a number 2, stand for a number 1 (unless I’m treating myself).

 

[hughy]

Sit for a number 2, stand for a number 1 (unless I’m treating myself).

I do a sit down wee first of the day and occasionally in the middle of the night so I don't wake the missus up (ensuite).

It's quite pleasurable.

 

[Dougal]

I do a sit down wee first of the day and occasionally in the middle of the night so I don't wake the missus up (ensuite).

It's quite pleasurable.

You don’t want to wake her up because you’re clearly also sleeping in one of her nighties you big girl.

 

[hughy]

You don’t want to wake her up because you’re clearly also sleeping in one of her nighties you big girl.

Have you seen the size of my missus? That's a bed sheet mate.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

What happens when that research says that all stadium is the UK are fully seated by law?

It says that research is misinformed ;-)

There is no law that requires fans to remain in their seats. The law requires stadiums to provide seats for all patrons - and prohibits stadiums from admitting any spectator who does not have an assigned seat.

 

[Rob]

It says that research is misinformed ;-)

There is no law that requires fans to remain in their seats. The law requires stadiums to provide seats for all patrons - and prohibits stadiums from admitting any spectator who does not have an assigned seat.

‘Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground’.

 

[chrissivad]

It says that research is misinformed ;-)

There is no law that requires fans to remain in their seats. The law requires stadiums to provide seats for all patrons - and prohibits stadiums from admitting any spectator who does not have an assigned seat.

Ground regulations state:

• Standing in seated areas, is, however, contrary to ground regulations. For example, the Football League’s model set of ground regulations states: ‘Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground’.

 

['O Zio]

While officially it’s all seater my point about doing research stands (pardon pun). If you’re spending at least a grand on something take 10 minutes to find out what you’re buying. And if you do happen to land upon a ticket for the Park Lane, do your best to embrace it instead of being ‘that guy’.

Have to say despite the fact that I sympathise with people who don't want to stand, I agree with you there. It's not even just the fact that it's the Park Lane, anyone with even the slightest knowledge of football knows that the home end behind the goal is usually full of people who want to stand. My nan knows that ffs and she's never been to a match in her life, so I find it hard to believe that someone who enjoys football enough to buy a season ticket had no idea that people would be standing in that area. I know it's not supposed to be allowed but people need to use their common sense a bit as well.

 

[jimbo]

‘Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground’.

Ground regulations state:

• Standing in seated areas, is, however, contrary to ground regulations. For example, the Football League’s model set of ground regulations states: ‘Nobody may stand in any seating area whilst play is in progress. Persistent standing in seated areas whilst play is in progress is strictly forbidden and may result in ejection from the ground’.

This has already been done to death, but that does not mean it is the law. You are not going to be arrested and charged for standing at a football match. Those are regulations, a civil matter. Again, not the law.

Yes it's a semantic argument to some extent, and yes standing is not allowed, but @LexingtonSpurs is still correct with his assertion.

 

[Rob]

This has already been done to death, but that does not mean it is the law. You are not going to be arrested and charged for standing at a football match. Those are regulations, a civil matter. Again, not the law.

Yes it's a semantic argument to some extent, and yes standing is not allowed, but @LexingtonSpurs is still correct with his assertion.

Civil law is still civil law. Just because it's not a criminal offense doesn't mean it's now "the law".

 

[jimbo]

Civil law is still civil law. Just because it's not a criminal offense doesn't mean it's now "the law".

It's quite different and you know it is.

Edit: Here it is explained:

Many supporters believe that it is illegal to stand at football matches in the Premier League or Championship but this is not actually the case. Although clubs are allowed to throw you out if you refuse to sit.

• It is widely believed that this practice is illegal. This is not the case, even within Premier League and Championship grounds. The law only provides that these clubs should provide seats for all supporters, not that supporters must sit on them.
• The point is confirmed by the Department for Culture, Media and Sport: ‘At no point has it been argued that the individual spectator commits a criminal offence by standing in a seated area’ (Source: Letter to Football Supporters’ Federation, 2008)

 

[Lighty64]

Have to say despite the fact that I sympathise with people who don't want to stand, I agree with you there. It's not even just the fact that it's the Park Lane, anyone with even the slightest knowledge of football knows that the home end behind the goal is usually full of people who want to stand. My nan knows that ffs and she's never been to a match in her life, so I find it hard to believe that someone who enjoys football enough to buy a season ticket had no idea that people would be standing in that area. I know it's not supposed to be allowed but people need to use their common sense a bit as well.

the main problem is it isn't just the Park Lane. I will be in the North middle tomorrow and guarantee if we are on the attack when kicking that way I have no choice but to get up, trouble is I have trouble getting up, let alone quickly

 

[Rob]

It's quite different and you know it is.

You've lost me with your argument here.

My original point was that the club can't market areas as standing or non-standing as that is against the law. If the club allowed it, they'd be liable.

I'm aware that anyone standing would not be criminally liable but that's irrelevant and my point still completely stands.

 

[jimbo]

You've lost me with your argument here.

My original point was that the club can't market areas as standing or non-standing as that is against the law. If the club allowed it, they'd be liable.

I'm aware that anyone standing would not be criminally liable but that's irrelevant and my point still completely stands.

But your original point is flawed. There is no change to the law required to allow standing, because standing is not illegal. If it were law, an Act of Parliament would be required to change it. It isn't because there is no such law.

Current policy is that standing is not allowed - although this has different interpretations and is a significant grey area, particularly around 'moments of excitement' and 'persistent standing'.

You are right that the club can't market standing or non-standing areas - that's why it's important that fans use a little common sense, as Dougal so wisely suggested.

 

[SirHarryHotspur]

PERSISTENT STANDING



It was an amazing night on Tuesday and an intense atmosphere which undoubtedly played its role in the team’s success in the first leg of our Champions League Quarter-Final against Manchester City.


However, it is important that everyone is able to see the match and enjoy it.


We appreciate that fans will rise up at key moments in the match. Persistently standing for the whole match or for long periods, along with failing to heed requests from the stewards and fellow fans to be seated, is not acceptable behaviour, notwithstanding it’s against ground regulations. Several bans have, therefore, been issued to fans as a consequence of their persistent standing.


Once again, we would remind Season Ticket Holders that they are responsible for anyone who is in their seat. Ticket Share operates so that we can identify who is in a seat. This is for everyone’s security. If you pass your ticket to anyone outside of Ticket Share who then behaves inappropriately, we shall deem both yourself and the individual attending to be liable for any penalties.


"Standers better watch out they are after you."