Match Threads Spurs vs Man City - Match Thread - CL Quarter Finals 1st leg

[ardiles]

https://www.skysports.com/amp/footb...am-over-pitch-invader-against-manchester-city


UEFA charges Tottenham over pitch invader against Manchester City
The supporter who ran onto the field has been banned by Tottenham, Sky Sports News understands
By Sky Sports News
17:22, UK, Thursday 11 April 2019

Tottenham have been charged by UEFA after a fan invaded the pitch during their 1-0 Champions League home win over Manchester City on Tuesday.

UEFA launched an investigation after a man dressed in black ran on the pitch at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium and confronted City defender Fabian Delph before being escorted away by a steward.

Spurs manager Mauricio Pochettino took to the field to try and intervene, while referee Bjorn Kuipers prevented Christian Eriksen from getting involved.

The supporter has been banned by Tottenham, Sky Sports News understands.

The case will be heard on May 16 by the UEFA Control, Ethics and Disciplinary body.
Dutch side Ajax also face UEFA charges of crowd disturbances and fans throwing objects after their quarter-final first leg 1-1 draw against Juventus in Amsterdam.

A fan got close to Cristiano Ronaldo on the field as the Juventus star celebrated his 45th-minute goal to open the scoring.

 

[Shadydan]

 

[alexis]

Does he want to sell his season ticket

 

[Drink!Drink!]

what was it "blocked by uefa"

 

[Shadydan]

what was it "blocked by uefa"

Some tactical vid on how we stopped City from playing it was pretty good.

 

[Drink!Drink!]

I don't think we have a VAR dedicated thread so I will put it here.

I had been slowly coming around to VAR but this game has turned me against it. I thought VAR would be a tool for reducing corruption in football. But now I am not so sure.

The game can still be corrupted. The new targets are not the refs, but the people sitting in the VAR room. The new targets for hints and pressure on what would be the "best" outcome will be them. The implicit, or even explicit in some countries, pressure on what would be best for your career, for the nation, for your bank balance...we know where your kids go to school kind of thing will be the VAR room people.

They now have the power to decisively swing games. IF the VAR people felt any kind of pressure, real or imagined, to help Spurs there is no way they would have flagged up the Rose "handball"...it would have been ignored and no-one would have questioned it. If they felt any pressure to favour Spurs they would have flagged up the Fernandinho elbow to the head...and once played multiple times in slow motion he would have got a red card.

The wholly subjective behaviour of the VAR team favoured City (whistle...shocked face), and there is no come back on them for doing so.

A skilled, and corrupted, VAR team can scan every small detail of a game looking for a moment to intervene if they think it will help to get the "right" result.

I hope there are enough decent people out there who would stand up to pressure. But do we trust UEFA, who constantly change TV payments and competition rules purely to benefit a small handful of clubs...would they care if VAR accidentally helps those same clubs? What about FIFA and Infantino's huge bromance love-in with any and every scumbag dictator out there...do you trust him to stop it being an avenue for "inappropriate" pressure?

I am not sure I am.

 

[thekneaf]

Wrong decisions are what spoil football to me so I welcomed VAR. But when VAR that was supposed to right wrongs seem to get it wrong, that seems worse. Anything that helps to get the right decisions is welcome by me as I am discontented when a game is decided by wrong decisions, even if I am backing the team the bad decision goes for. Some people my understand what I mean.

The fallibility of any system is it's interaction with humans. Football is wonderful as we find moments of joy from the chaos.

Right and wrong are not absolutes, every layer you peel away (or slow down in this case) reveals on more questions.

But basically we love football because it is emotional not logical. VAR was never going to remove the emotion from the game and I'm glad it hasn't, it just moves the debate from one thing (the refs view) to another thing (VAR camera angles).

 

[Gilzeanking]

If they felt any pressure to favour Spurs they would have flagged up the Fernandinho elbow to the head...and once played multiple times in slow motion he would have got a red card.


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There needs to be clarity regarding when VAR should be used and what for . Yes , the Fernandino elbow on HK was a clear red if
looked at again by VAR ....but it wasn't for some reason .

 

[Drink!Drink!]

There needs to be clarity regarding when VAR should be used and what for . Yes , the Fernandino elbow on HK was a clear red if
looked at again by VAR ....but it wasn't for some reason .

Exactly. And backs up my concern posted a little earlier. The VAR team currently seem to be able to pick and choose when to intervene. It is far too subjective and consequently going to be open to a lot of abuse

 

[daryl hannah]

Wanyama's tackle on Sterling was very good.

#just sayin'

 

[Hakkz]

I don't think we have a VAR dedicated thread so I will put it here.

I had been slowly coming around to VAR but this game has turned me against it. I thought VAR would be a tool for reducing corruption in football. But now I am not so sure.

The game can still be corrupted. The new targets are not the refs, but the people sitting in the VAR room. The new targets for hints and pressure on what would be the "best" outcome will be them. The implicit, or even explicit in some countries, pressure on what would be best for your career, for the nation, for your bank balance...we know where your kids go to school kind of thing will be the VAR room people.

They now have the power to decisively swing games. IF the VAR people felt any kind of pressure, real or imagined, to help Spurs there is no way they would have flagged up the Rose "handball"...it would have been ignored and no-one would have questioned it. If they felt any pressure to favour Spurs they would have flagged up the Fernandinho elbow to the head...and once played multiple times in slow motion he would have got a red card.

The wholly subjective behaviour of the VAR team favoured City (whistle...shocked face), and there is no come back on them for doing so.

A skilled, and corrupted, VAR team can scan every small detail of a game looking for a moment to intervene if they think it will help to get the "right" result.

I hope there are enough decent people out there who would stand up to pressure. But do we trust UEFA, who constantly change TV payments and competition rules purely to benefit a small handful of clubs...would they care if VAR accidentally helps those same clubs? What about FIFA and Infantino's huge bromance love-in with any and every scumbag dictator out there...do you trust him to stop it being an avenue for "inappropriate" pressure?

I am not sure I am.

Lol. Imagine VAR in the Qatar WC when Qatar are playing.

 

[paddieu]

This is too important not to have its own thread so I will create one

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

There's a thread for VAR in the General Football forum

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-var-thread.134812/

Have a browse, there's a whole raft of threads and sub-forums outside of Spurs Chat

 

[Dundalk_Spur]

There's a thread for VAR in the General Football forum

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/the-var-thread.134812/

Have a browse, there's a whole raft of threads and sub-forums outside of Spurs Chat

There's a thread on rafts????

Where????

 

[edson]

 

[roslau]

I’m over the bluemoon

 

[edson]

The temptation to send that to a City supporter I work with is almost too much to resist...

Then again, if we lose the two away games I'll be in for worse than just a GIF.

Fire away pal!