Match Threads Spurs v Chelsea Match Thread - Carabao Cup - 1st Leg

Mr Pink

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Is my question difficult to understand? You haven't answered a very simple question. Why should the attacker get the benefit of the doubt? Why shouldn't it go with the defender?
Because that's what the rules have stated previously. And me and you don't make the rules big fella.

Simply enough for you!
 

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and it's such a fine margin anyway in a game without VAR if the lino done his job properly he would have gave the striker the benefit of doubt in such a close call.
Mark Clattenburg has now reacted to the controversy and, writing for the Daily Mail, he said it was the right decision but made a point that no one else has. According to the 43-year-old, the linesman who raised his flag should have kept it down and allowed VAR to do its job because it was a 'marginal offside decision'. Clattenburg believes Premier League officials aren't helping matters and actually causing confusion by flagging for offside when it's so tight. "I know VAR eventually got the decision right to award Tottenham a penalty and overturn the initial offside, but the officials are going about it the wrong way," explained Clattenburg. "Assistant referees are flagging for marginal offside decisions. Why are England not following the way FIFA implemented VAR in the World Cup? "What FIFA recommend is to keep the flag down. If a goal is scored, then the offside decision will be checked by VAR. "Had Michael Oliver blown his whistle before Harry Kane was brought down, or Kane or the keeper had stopped when they saw the flag, then the wrong decision would have stood.
"That is why it is important to keep the flag down on marginal offside calls and allow the play to continue."

Clattenburg been reading my post I see :whistle:
 

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Sky sports rather embarrassingly questioning the offside decision based on Chelsea’s Hawkeye system, before dropping in that their system hasn’t been calibrated, and the shot shows the ball has already left Toby’s foot. In other words, it’s bollocks, and VAR got it right.
 

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Mark Clattenburg has now reacted to the controversy and, writing for the Daily Mail, he said it was the right decision but made a point that no one else has. According to the 43-year-old, the linesman who raised his flag should have kept it down and allowed VAR to do its job because it was a 'marginal offside decision'. Clattenburg believes Premier League officials aren't helping matters and actually causing confusion by flagging for offside when it's so tight. "I know VAR eventually got the decision right to award Tottenham a penalty and overturn the initial offside, but the officials are going about it the wrong way," explained Clattenburg. "Assistant referees are flagging for marginal offside decisions. Why are England not following the way FIFA implemented VAR in the World Cup? "What FIFA recommend is to keep the flag down. If a goal is scored, then the offside decision will be checked by VAR. "Had Michael Oliver blown his whistle before Harry Kane was brought down, or Kane or the keeper had stopped when they saw the flag, then the wrong decision would have stood.
"That is why it is important to keep the flag down on marginal offside calls and allow the play to continue."

Clattenburg been reading my post I see :whistle:
I haven't read through this thread in detail, but here's how I saw it as I was sat directly behind the lino at the time...

Regardless of whether Kane was on or offside, the lino simply wasn't sure. He held his flag pointed down (as asst. ref's do when they believe someone is onside) whilst Kane was running through on Kepa, and only raised his flag after the foul to save face just in case VAR overruled it as an offside.

In my opinion had VAR not been in place the linesman would have never raised his flag during or after the whole phase of play, the penalty would have been given and very little would have been made of it because its a tight call and they're told to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker.

The fact that he raised his flag so late was why the whole incident was made to look like a fuck-up.
 

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I haven't read through this thread in detail, but here's how I saw it as I was sat directly behind the lino at the time...

Regardless of whether Kane was on or offside, the lino simply wasn't sure. He held his flag pointed down (as asst. ref's do when they believe someone is onside) whilst Kane was running through on Kepa, and only raised his flag after the foul to save face just in case VAR overruled it as an offside.

In my opinion had VAR not been in place the linesman would have never raised his flag during or after the whole phase of play, the penalty would have been given and very little would have been made of it because its a tight call and they're told to give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker.

The fact that he raised his flag so late was why the whole incident was made to look like a fuck-up.
I think they would have gave the offside to avoid having to give a penalty, I'm glad we had VAR as I think Oliver and his assistants were pathetic throughout.
 

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Have not read the thread so apologies, got back so late last night that all this has had to wait. Anyway I thought I would throw in my observations from the match.

We made a very good start which could have resulted in more than the penalty for us. However Chelsea were far more compact and solid than last time and got into the game. Their chances though were at best limited being forced to shoot from outside the area by our solid defensive performance. I was near our goal and had no worries for that first half.

The second half was different as they really were first to everything and controlled the game, though once again we restricted them to half-chances, it didn't look good for us as we seemed to drop off and let them come at us reminding me of the Wolves game. The game changed again just after 60 minutes when there was an injury break for Harry to get treatment and Poch I noticed had a long chat with Dele. Right then Dele dropped back deep and we stopped sitting off them competing hard for everything. During that period of a few minutes Dele led the fight back and I though we then gained an even footing in the game once again.

It did seem to me from early on that our plan was to contain Chelsea in order to get a lead which we take back to Stamford Bridge ... after all we are, according to results, probably the best team in Europe away from home ... we definitely looked set up not to lose.

Chelsea played well and a 1-0 win seemed like a good result on the night sending me home content enough.
 

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Also I remember a point in the 2nd half it looked like Azpilicueta used his hand to bring the ball under control in box, wasn't even mentioned or shown again so will never know, media have their agenda.
 

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Mark Clattenburg has now reacted to the controversy and, writing for the Daily Mail, he said it was the right decision but made a point that no one else has. According to the 43-year-old, the linesman who raised his flag should have kept it down and allowed VAR to do its job because it was a 'marginal offside decision'. Clattenburg believes Premier League officials aren't helping matters and actually causing confusion by flagging for offside when it's so tight. "I know VAR eventually got the decision right to award Tottenham a penalty and overturn the initial offside, but the officials are going about it the wrong way," explained Clattenburg. "Assistant referees are flagging for marginal offside decisions. Why are England not following the way FIFA implemented VAR in the World Cup? "What FIFA recommend is to keep the flag down. If a goal is scored, then the offside decision will be checked by VAR. "Had Michael Oliver blown his whistle before Harry Kane was brought down, or Kane or the keeper had stopped when they saw the flag, then the wrong decision would have stood.
"That is why it is important to keep the flag down on marginal offside calls and allow the play to continue."

Clattenburg been reading my post I see :whistle:
I said it very quickly mr clattenburgh.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...rabao-cup-1st-leg.135232/page-57#post-6152884
 
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I was afraid Lamela was going to get a 2nd yellow or straight red pretty much the whole time he was on the pitch. Not a popular opinion on here but I think his yellow was deserved, thought he committed the foul when he went on goal and was just hoping he would calm down a little. I love his aggression but he walks a fine line especially when he comes in during big matches.
I find it hard to believe Erik has not been sent off for us. He is from Argentina so no surprise he can put in a few elbows etc. He just seems to get away with it. Must be his angelic face?
His manager was sent off 20 times so he’s got a good teacher.
I particularly liked him standing on Fabregas’ hand while looking up into the stand as if he couldn’t see him.
Clattenburg said earlier this week that he should have sent him off that night.
 

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Man City hammering Burton 8-0 as I type. Training game for their starters and will now get to rest players in the second leg. And there were folks on here saying drawing Chelsea was not a bad thing. Better than two legs with City of course, but Burton was the draw we wanted and needed.
 

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A couple of things I noticed.

Chelsea know they are toothless in attack, as they kept taking long distance pot shots, you can tell they are lacking in confidence going forward.

I can't remember the last time I saw such a one sided Spurs game not in our favour. If we play like that in the return leg we are going out, however, I don't think we can play much worse as an attacking and midfield unit, so there's that. I think the away leg will work in our favour as we are better away from home. That said, Son is a huge miss as he is pivotal to our counter attack.

Our CM was non existent last night.
Wink was non existent and so were Dele (Dele for the 1st 60 mins), Eriksen and Son. In other words they were poor. Sissoko, Kane and the whole defence carried us.
 

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ok on winks, he isnt playing so well going forward, nothing seems to go right for ali at the moment, but both are trying really hard.

Kane’s head and knee were offside, fuck off..Spurs get the rub in a derby for the first time in 30 years and its a travesty...

Attacker gets the benefit, its stated in the rules, this is probably the first time ive seen it actually happen in a marginal decision, linesman should put his flag up if he thinks its offside, refs job is to play it through to conclusion and get a var or stop play for offside, he thought it was marginal.

I thought actually this whole ’farce’ was the only thing the ref got right in this game.

Play till you hear the whistle, weve all been told this, maybe chelsea wernt at school that day.,
 

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Is my question difficult to understand? You haven't answered a very simple question. Why should the attacker get the benefit of the doubt? Why shouldn't it go with the defender?
Let me explain.

Why call an offside if you are not sure? That’s what benefit of doubt for the attacker means.

If benefit goes to defender then you are penalising against an offence that you can’t be sure happened.
 

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Just wanted to let this sink in. We played as poorly, in an attacking sense as poorly as we have in a while. Yet we still beat Chelsea. I am one among many of you that over the years that have seen us lose to these bastards know matter how well we have played. Just drinking in this joy our club is bringing us.
 

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Man City hammering Burton 8-0 as I type. Training game for their starters and will now get to rest players in the second leg. And there were folks on here saying drawing Chelsea was not a bad thing. Better than two legs with City of course, but Burton was the draw we wanted and needed.
we didn't need anything. we're going to get the pleasure of beating both of them ourselves.
 

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Mark Clattenburg has now reacted to the controversy and, writing for the Daily Mail, he said it was the right decision but made a point that no one else has. According to the 43-year-old, the linesman who raised his flag should have kept it down and allowed VAR to do its job because it was a 'marginal offside decision'. Clattenburg believes Premier League officials aren't helping matters and actually causing confusion by flagging for offside when it's so tight. "I know VAR eventually got the decision right to award Tottenham a penalty and overturn the initial offside, but the officials are going about it the wrong way," explained Clattenburg. "Assistant referees are flagging for marginal offside decisions. Why are England not following the way FIFA implemented VAR in the World Cup? "What FIFA recommend is to keep the flag down. If a goal is scored, then the offside decision will be checked by VAR. "Had Michael Oliver blown his whistle before Harry Kane was brought down, or Kane or the keeper had stopped when they saw the flag, then the wrong decision would have stood.
"That is why it is important to keep the flag down on marginal offside calls and allow the play to continue."

Clattenburg been reading my post I see :whistle:
Today he changed his mind! Idiot!
 

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I was afraid Lamela was going to get a 2nd yellow or straight red pretty much the whole time he was on the pitch. Not a popular opinion on here but I think his yellow was deserved, thought he committed the foul when he went on goal and was just hoping he would calm down a little. I love his aggression but he walks a fine line especially when he comes in during big matches.
I thought his yellow was overly harsh. He stepped in front - but he beat the man to the spot. He is entitled to that spot to protect the ball - which was within playing distance for him, after he shielded it.


And, Lamela always looks like a card waiting to happen - but I don't think he has ever gotten a 2nd yellow in a match with us.
 
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