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Lilbaz

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#21
Baffling having read Poch's comments. I've always felt he underplayed the CC & FA cup.. Challenging for those trophies just brings that winning culture and composure in the bigger tournaments.

But yeah we seriously need to start winning trophies.. Baby steps and all that.
There has only been one season where he hasn't got to at least the semi final of the domestic cups. We just need to get over the finishing line.
 

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#22
There has only been one season where he hasn't got to at least the semi final of the domestic cups. We just need to get over the finishing line.
Yes you correct. But he always down played the importance of the CC and FA cup. Well I like his new approach and let's hope we start winning trophies soon.
 

Lilbaz

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Yes you correct. But he always down played the importance of the CC and FA cup. Well I like his new approach and let's hope we start winning trophies soon.
There is no new approach. We will try and win the domestic cups but the league and cl will be the priority (as they should be).
 

Bulletspur

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#24
IMO there is a problem with the Pochettino Spurs and it is the lack of the 'grit' or whatever you want to call it.
A good example was the CL final, we just lacked umpf! Which wasn't the case in the quarters and semi-finals...which is puzzling.
I put this solely at the feet of Poch. He was not brave enough to leave out Kane and stick with the team that played against Ajax. He should have stuck to the winning formula and played in form players who all merited to start. I am still fucked off about this.
 
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I put this solely at the feet of Poch. He was not brave enough to leave out Kane and stick with the team that played against Ajax. He should have stuck to the winning formula and played in form players who all merited to start. I am still fucked off about this.
So you mean he should have started Llorente? Because for 120 mins of that Ajax tie we were getting played off the park without Kane and with Lucas and Son.
 

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I put this solely at the feet of Poch. He was not brave enough to leave out Kane and stick with the team that played against Ajax. He should have stuck to the winning formula and played in form players who all merited to start. I am still fucked off about this.
I think he slipped ketamine in the team drinks before the game;)
They looked so limp, they looked almost resigned to their fate?
 

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We wanted to be a big club and we've got most of the pieces in place to define ourselves as such now, so we should set our expectations in line with being a big club. Big clubs view it as a failure if they go through a season without winning any silverware, so that's what we should have as the standard now.

It's great to be at the grown-ups table at last, but with our improvement in quality and standing comes more demanding expectations, and we need to meet those standards if this is the level we aspire to be at.
That's pretty much what all those pundits have been saying.

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#29
He's right. We do need to win silverware. I don't think we can say just finishing top 4 is now a success. We have to aim our sights higher.

Personally I will be quite disappointed if we don't win a trophy this season and would look at it as a failure. The players and Poch will look at it exactly the same way.
Thing is it massively depends on what you count as silverware. I know many disagree, but id consider a League cup and 5th place finish to be a worse season than 4th and no cups. I just don't understand the logic behind the Sky-pundit argument that basically nothing that poch has done means anything unless we win some pointless second rate trophy. When you look at where we started and where we are now I think it's clear what a good job poch had done and I don't need to win some tin pot "insert sponsor name here" cup to appreciate that. Obviously I'd love to win something but not doing so doesn't take away from what we've achieved IMO. Like I say I'm sure lots disagree but that's just how I feel about jt
 

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#30
Why must the narrative always be about fifth and the least prestigious trophy. How about 2nd-4th and a trophy. City /Chelsea in recent years haven't turned their noses up at the Caraboa Cup or FA Cup.

We need to win trophies and it shouldn't be at the expense of our CL spot either. That's what big clubs do.
 
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#31
My take on this has always been one of what will the history books say? We consider ourselves as a big club because we have a great successful history - ie, we won trophies. In 20-30 years time will the history books say that Spurs had a really successful period when they finished in the top four for successive seasons and had good runs in the champions league? Probably not - they’ll say that Spurs hadn’t won a trophy.

My view is we simply need to win some silverware - I don’t care what tournament it is, I want to see us record our success in the history books with a competition win. We have the squad capable to do it, especially now that we’ve strengthened, so nows the time.
 
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#32
We made the Champions League final last year and were a rule change away from being in the League cup final against a team we beat over two legs. We were eliminated from the FA cup while Harry was hurt and Sonny was off in Qatar playing in the fourth different Asian cup of last year. If it wasn't for shit luck we would have picked up something last year. We have not devalued them we just haven't had final luck.
 

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#33
I'd love a trophy but I know what supporting this club is all about..........inevitable heart break!
 

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Thing is it massively depends on what you count as silverware. I know many disagree, but id consider a League cup and 5th place finish to be a worse season than 4th and no cups. I just don't understand the logic behind the Sky-pundit argument that basically nothing that poch has done means anything unless we win some pointless second rate trophy. When you look at where we started and where we are now I think it's clear what a good job poch had done and I don't need to win some tin pot "insert sponsor name here" cup to appreciate that. Obviously I'd love to win something but not doing so doesn't take away from what we've achieved IMO. Like I say I'm sure lots disagree but that's just how I feel about jt
There's so much of your post I do agree with 100%, because it's pretty much what fans like you and I think, Poch has been amazing for us but what do the players feel?

Players careers are fairly short and so medals are crucial to keep as momento's and for their memories to remain real after they stop playing. How many times have we heard of players wanting to move clubs because they want to win trophies?

For us, winning a trophy is a lovely day out, celebrating a victory, all together as a club. But then, for us, it's done and we move on.

If only fans got medals for devoting their lives to the clubs they love, eh?

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#35
My take on this has always been one of what will the history books say? We consider ourselves as a big club because we have a great successful history - ie, we won trophies. In 20-30 years time will the history books say that Spurs had a really successful period when they finished in the top four for successive seasons and had good runs in the champions league? Probably not - they’ll say that Spurs hadn’t won a trophy.

My view is we simply need to win some silverware - I don’t care what tournament it is, I want to see us record our success in the history books with a competition win. We have the squad capable to do it, especially now that we’ve strengthened, so nows the time.
I agree as winning also breeds a winning mentality winning, so even a League cup can start that winnning run off
 

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#36
There's so much of your post I do agree with 100%, because it's pretty much what fans like you and I think, Poch has been amazing for us but what do the players feel?

Players careers are fairly short and so medals are crucial to keep as momento's and for their memories to remain real after they stop playing. How many times have we heard of players wanting to move clubs because they want to win trophies?

For us, winning a trophy is a lovely day out, celebrating a victory, all together as a club. But then, for us, it's done and we move on.

If only fans got medals for devoting their lives to the clubs they love, eh?

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To a certain extent you're probably right, but then it still comes back to my original point that it depends which trophies. As you say, players talk about leaving a club because they want to win trophies, but I don't think they necessarily mean because they want to win the Carabao Cup. Obviously people always point to Ledley saying winning it was the highlight of his career, but to be honest that's only the case because he didn't win anything else

I think in particular for the foreign lads the League Cup is just a bit of a meaningless one. People say the FA Cup has lost its magic but in most other countries the domestic cup has never even had that magic in the first place let alone some inexplicable SECOND domestic cup.

Like I Say, I'm not opposed to us winning the league cup, it'd be a great day out like the last one was, but what I resent is the idea that gets peddled by Sky that Poch/Spurs have basically not achieved anything at all because we can't tick a box "has won something". It's just a bit of a daft technicality used to undermine us IMO. Obviously winning the league etc. would massively underline it and be the cherry on the cake, but I don't need a Carabao Cup win to know that what Poch has done with the club has been remarkable.
 

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#37
It's also worth bearing in mind that this isn't just some 2 or 3 year window that we have the opportunity to win something before sliding back into mid-table mediocrity.
Levy's still growing the club and in a few tears time we're likely to be close to the Manchester sides in terms of turnover.

So whilst we're all desperate to win trophies now, it is just a matter of time.
 

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#38
I agree as winning also breeds a winning mentality winning, so even a League cup can start that winnning run off
THIS is why all the pundits keep going on about it - so many times teams need that watershed where winning any trophy will do to take that last step in mentality to being serial winners. The other teams in the top 6 are winning probably a trophy every other year on average and we’re 1 in 10 and nothing in Poch’s time, that’s why it’s so important we make the breakthrough and why the pundits never stop going on about it - they get that it’s the final piece in the jigsaw!
 
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#39
My opinion on this remains the same as it has done for a good few years. It's not about winning any old trophy, it's about winning the trophies that matter.

If Spurs win the FA Cup or the League Cup this season it won't change this same old boring line from the media/pundits that Poch hasn't done anything of note with Spurs until he's won a trophy. It will simply alter it slightly. You can bet your bottom dollar that as soon as any Spurs fan says, well we've won a trophy now, the response will be - "yeah but it was only the league cup/FA cup. When is Poch gonna win the league or Champions league. Only then can he be considered a great coach".

Don't get me wrong, I would obviously be happy for us to win a domestic trophy, but not at the expense of our league or CL form. The only two compeitions that really matter in football are those two. The FA Cup was great once upon a time but it's lost it's prestige IMO. The league cup is an even lesser competition.

I don't care what rival fans or pundits say, nor what the history books say. When I'm old and grey I will be able to look back on this 5 year period (at least) and say it was one of the best times to be a Spurs fan. If I'm asked about what it was like when Pochettino managed Tottenham, I will be able to talk about it in glowing terms and say that we were one of the best sides in the country and in Europe. I can't say that about Spurs in the 90's or early noughties and we won trophies in those periods.
 

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There's so much of your post I do agree with 100%, because it's pretty much what fans like you and I think, Poch has been amazing for us but what do the players feel?

Players careers are fairly short and so medals are crucial to keep as momento's and for their memories to remain real after they stop playing. How many times have we heard of players wanting to move clubs because they want to win trophies?

For us, winning a trophy is a lovely day out, celebrating a victory, all together as a club. But then, for us, it's done and we move on.

If only fans got medals for devoting their lives to the clubs they love, eh?
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I have seen far more players leaves clubs for more money.

Finances dominate the game and the PL and CL is where the money is.

Like every fan I think to improve we need to start winning trophies but for the good of the club CL qualification will always be infinitely better than winning a domestic cup.
 
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